I wish there'd have been a better choice of answers, I think Santorum is crazy as a bedbug and your assertion that the Dutch system, which is single payer, is anything like our health for profit system is entirely false, but I'd like more information on what the basis for Santorum's frothing is.
I expect the Dutch will be making the information available soon, they're going to be very pissed that an American Presidential candidate is calling an ally mass murderers. I expect he just pissed off all of our European allies, since they all have very similar health care systems.
If he were elected after such a statement, I think we'd be out of friends in the international community very quickly.
Dutch Involuntary Euthanasia: Death Panels?
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Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum accused Dutch doctors of committing murder on a grand scale as part of their government-run healthcare program. Santorum stated in an interview with James Dobson:
Ten percent of all deaths, and half of those people are euthanized involuntarily, because they are old or sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go into a hospital. They go to another country.the Daily Caller reports:
While he overstated some of the details, Santorum's charge that many Dutch doctors practice death medicine is spot-on.
Some will defend the Dutch government healthcare program (similar to America's future known Obamacare) by attacking private health insurance programs. That argument only attempts to distract or deceive since no private insurance program requires a lethal injection or anything remotely similar to actions to speed the death of elderly and sick patients to save the government money.
Read More: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/21/santorum-more-ri...
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Tea in the Harbor 2012/02/22 02:35:02
what a hypocrit
He only is right about out healthcare paying for Euthanasia, the rest (as usual) is a lie to his convenience he leaves out crucial information : that Euthanasia is ONLY on request of the -terminal- patient, it is a right !
And he also forgets that it is none of his business..
It is personal and private to the patient who request to receive asistance in dying in a decent way..
here is an article from The Telegraph not some RWNJ or even Fox News.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne...
"Prof David Jones said that if society agrees that it is in some people’s interests for them to end their own lives, it is difficult to resist the logical conclusion that others should be helped to die even if they have not made such a request.
Dr Howard Martin: I helped patients die
Dr Howard Martin, the retired GP who admitted hastening the deaths of patients.
He claimed this situation already exists in the Netherlands, where voluntary euthanasia is legal but where about 500 patients are also killed a year by their doctors without requesting to die.
Prof Jones, director of the centre for bioethics at St Mary’s University College, Twickenham, said: “My view is that it will lead from people who have asked to die, to people who cannot ask.” "
Second of all, Telegraph is very right newspaper and generally refered to as Torygraph. It is not much different than quoting Fox News. They are fameous for pounding on Bill Clinton during the the Whitewater days. Bill Clinton refered to the them as "peddling "right-wing inventions".
Third of all, ALL doctors that deal with terminally ill patients kill their patients one way or another.
Some stop the feeding and starve them to death. Many religious hospitals do that because they think it is a way of killing people without offending their god.
Every time a doctor stops a treatment, he is shortening the life of the patient, even if it is for one day. Some doctors give higher morphine doses to help their patients shorten the suffering...
Every time a decision is made, it affects the life span. And for sure not always to prolong it. Because the number of days somebody has is not the most important thing in the word. They quality of those days is.
However, when they are lies and distortions, you should.
Even in the Dutch Parliament they are demanding that the Dutch government takes steps.
http://nos.nl/artikel/344497-...
(it is in Dutch, but still).
Way to treat your friends that gave you money when even your alies French didn't want to (to then ambassador John Adams), who founded New York and gave you the expression Yankee. Not to mention that Dutch soldiers died in your invented war in Iraq. Way to go!
See if their mouth is open and if there is a sound coming out.
In that case, they are.
About the newspapers abroad... I understand your point.
But if the text sounds alarming and there is only one source to it or it comes from a certain person that might profit if that were true... it is a lie.
There is a famous study that people that watch Fox are less informed than people that don't watch the news at all. Did you know that?
Fox viewers are not just uninformed, they are misinformed. What does that mean? To me, that would mean to stay away from the propaganda outlet. But if you prefer to be their tool, go ahead and keep watching them.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/k...
I am saying that
1) they went to court to protect their right to lie
2) a study found out that people watching the fox news are uninformed and misinformed.
Nr. two comes out of nr. 1. Why would anybody want to protect the right to lie? News agencies pride themselves of being neutral, such as BBC. A commentary can be pushed into one direction or another, but the news shouldn't.
That is not my opinion, those are the facts. And if you don't want to face it, they have gotten already to you.
1) the reason why you feel like you are being lied to is because things you hear do not match your previous frame of mind which was framed by the Fox news. It doesn't mean it is lie what you hear, only that it doesn't fit your experience.
Now, one of them is not telling the truth. I would bet those that went to court to protect their right to lie to you.
And if I were you, I would be mad. Because they don't lie to me. They lie to you Marek. You.
2) You don't have to listen about the tingle. But at least Chris Mathews and any fifth grader would probably know to explain why there is a tide.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes...
You really mean to tell me that Fox News went to court and asked the judge to permit them to lie? You happen to have a link that proves that?
And you might have had your mind set before there was FN. But misinformed means also that you don't have access to all the facts and figures, things that FN never mentions. Like this for example.
Would you go to a doctor that went to a court to protect his right to give wrong medication to a patient?
Would you have your house built by an architect that went to a court to protect his right to use bad quality cement?
How many links do you want?
http://www.librarygrape.com/2...
http://ceasespin.org/ceasespi...
http://www.projectcensored.or...
Here is Wikipedia article about it. You can get informed about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Would you trust the law suit?
http://www.2dca.org/opinions/...
So, the Fox Broadcasting Company station WTVT in Tampa, Florida has successfully argued that the FCC policy against falsification was not a "law, rule, or regulation", therefore not protecting the whistle-blower who has brought the charges.
This in effect allows them to say whatever they want to - there is no law, rule or regulation that prohibits it.
No wonder you can't find this anywhere on the right wing outlets.
Propaganda is not just what they tell you, it is also what they don't tell you.
This sockbuster individual blocked me then lied to his friends about it. He even went so far as asking his friends to report as he put it "this insect" to SodaHead. I posted proof where he says he is blocking me and reported his TOS violation to SodaHead and blocked him back. I have no intention to unblock him so he can heap some more abuse on me. I don't play "hit and run" games as he does. If he wanted to dispute my comments he should not have blocked me in the first place. For a person who does not tolerate insults he certainly heaps insults on people he hates. This is a two way street. Now he wants to talk to me? I let him beg others to provide him with the venue for more ad hominem attacks.
How do I know if he did not take this screen shot before blocking me? Thank You for your patience with me.
Marek you dispicable liar I blocked you for 1 day only for for insulting and lying in one of my posts after that you were unblocked again.
Now you lie here that you are blocked by me from answering here while it is the otherway arround, if you have one shred of backbone , you will unblock me so I can answer your shyte
'Questions in the hous of commons about Santorum'
Dutch labor party-member of parliament Frans Timmermans has aked questions in the house of commons about the remarks of the Republican presidents candidate Rick Santorum, who said during a meeting that in the Netherlands many people are being involuntary euthanised
Timmermans has called minister Rosenthal (Foreign Affairs) to ask why the Dutch embassy has not called Santorum to order.
And why the embassy stated befor, not wanting to meddle with the American elections fight.
"According to the New York Times the dutch ambassador gave 'no comment' on the scandalous accusations of Santorum at the address of our country. How is it possible?", writes Timmermans on Facebook. "This really cannot be accepted."
'Elderly people to foreign country'
Santorum, a conservative roman Catholic who does well in the polls, said that in the Netherlands 10 percent of the deaths are through euthanasia . "The half of that undergoes the euthanasia involuntarily." According to Santorum, elderly people flee abroad not to be murdered
In fact less than 2 percent of the deaths are euthanasia, on request of the patient.,.
'Hordes of clogs bearers'
The Dutch rage lead to multiple small messages in the American press, but i...
'Questions in the hous of commons about Santorum'
Dutch labor party-member of parliament Frans Timmermans has aked questions in the house of commons about the remarks of the Republican presidents candidate Rick Santorum, who said during a meeting that in the Netherlands many people are being involuntary euthanised
Timmermans has called minister Rosenthal (Foreign Affairs) to ask why the Dutch embassy has not called Santorum to order.
And why the embassy stated befor, not wanting to meddle with the American elections fight.
"According to the New York Times the dutch ambassador gave 'no comment' on the scandalous accusations of Santorum at the address of our country. How is it possible?", writes Timmermans on Facebook. "This really cannot be accepted."
'Elderly people to foreign country'
Santorum, a conservative roman Catholic who does well in the polls, said that in the Netherlands 10 percent of the deaths are through euthanasia . "The half of that undergoes the euthanasia involuntarily." According to Santorum, elderly people flee abroad not to be murdered
In fact less than 2 percent of the deaths are euthanasia, on request of the patient.,.
'Hordes of clogs bearers'
The Dutch rage lead to multiple small messages in the American press, but it is mainy sneering comments about the outrage in our small country.
Some columnist writes: "Finally a politician takes on our largest enemy : the Dutchmen, with propagandists as Rembrandt, Vermeer and Van Gogh they have infiltrated our schools and museums infiltrated, but our leaders are deaf for the clog bearing hordes."
As I said, members of the Dutch Parliament demanded that the government intervenes and protests through their ambassador in Washington.
But that would be ironical that Obama's ambassador is called in order for something his direct oponents is saying, wouldn't it? Which is the reason why they didn't do that. And because you can't argue with the crazy. And because they didn't want to give Santorum more publicity.
Nothing will take away the rage at them basically calling the doctors and nurses that took care of my father in his last weeks cold blooded murderers and NOTHING will change my mind that we did the right thing in listening to him and allowing him to CHOOSE HIS OWN WAY OF DYING!
/rant
the news article ?
http://nos.nl/artikel/344497-...
any other link ? just ask
this, tulips and windmils ...
A thing we are damn proud of by the way
To me he ment it more as a humouristic end of his article.
I had to read it a few times and than I understood that he wasn't serious with that remark
That is your right. Nobody is forcing you to believe any warnings but if this thing is implemented and the warnings were accurate than we all are going to be very unhappy.
Just so you know. I have downloaded the obama care bill and it has downloaded some 960 pages while the version that was voted on and passed contained nearly three thousand pages. So what is in the missing two thousand pages that I could not download? It is said that the devil is in the details and I suspect that it is the details that are being kept secret from public. Unless of course you have the full version with the details as they are going to be implemented than by all means forward it to me so I can take a look at it. Otherwise I must rely on the republicans from Congress and senate to tell me what it is in it that they don't like and why it is such a bad bill and must be repealed.