Dr Andrew Wakefield speaks on the structure of scientific revolutions: Vaccines, viruses and evolution

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Here's an interview with Dr Andrew Wakefield about the structure of
scientific revolutions. Here's some of what he says in this interview:

I've
grown to have a huge respect for [infectious bacteria and viruses] over
the years. We are here on the Earth now because of infection. Not in
spite of it, because of it. Our immune system has been fashioned,
shaped, designed over millions of years, since we first emerged from the
primordial soup as single-celled organisms to evolve a hugely complex
immune system that is a result of its interaction, its education with
infectious agents. They are the prime factor in developing our immune
responsiveness.

By going from a respiratory route of infection of
a natural virus to an injected form of infection... from going from a
different strain, a different route, a different dose of infection and a
different mean population age of exposure to infection, so kids used to
get mumps at 7 to 10 years of age, now they get it at 18 months -- when
you change that subtle ecological balance which has evolved over such a
long time, it is no wonder that you are going to have unexpected,
unintended consequences.

The other thing, of course, is that
we've now come to learn that so many infections or so many infectious
agents are actually beneficial. We require them for education of our gut
immune system. The exposure of the gut, the colonization of the gut,
the gut flora very early on, is a major determiner of how our immune
system [develops.]

I've become a great respecter of infectious
agents and their ability to elude us, to cause problems that we did not
expect, and if we believe in our exquisite arrogance that we can exploit
them, manipulate them in a test tube, give them back to people and
exploit them in a way we call attenuated, then the virus will laugh at
us. It will simply laugh, because it has a collective intelligence that
will not allow that to happen.

You're fighting mutations that are
collectively more intelligent, more adaptable, and ultimately can cause
what, we don't know. But you also create a population that now becomes
dependent on vaccination. Not just the first vaccine, but the second,
the third, the fourth... it never ends. You create a population that is
dependent on immunization.

I talk to many scientists, many
physicians whose children are affected by autism following vaccines who
say I know there is a problem, but we don't dare step out of line. We
look at what happened to you, and we don't dare step out of line. ...And
I do meet these people all the time, and to me that's unacceptable.
Because the future of the world depends upon the wellbeing of our
children.

[Science] has sold out to the pharmaceutical industry,
and to the pharma-government complex. Medical schools are dependent upon
their funding in large part from the pharmaceutical industry, or
pharmaceutical industry influences, and this is dancing with the Devil
in respect to the way in which science should be conducted, and the
influences placed upon it.

This is what happened to me, there
were constraints placed upon my valid vaccine safety research, because
in the UK, the government had done a deal with the pharmaceutical
industry that meant the government had picked up their liability for a
knowingly dangerous Measles, Mumps, Rubella vaccine. They licensed a
vaccine in July of 1997 which had, in that same month, been withdrawn in
Canada for safety reasons. They knew it was not safe. It was cheaper.
They put price before the wellbeing of children.

Now we've seen
time and time again the corruption, the abuse of science, and it's
happening largely on one side of this equation. You are told time and
time again there are 14, 17, 20, millions of papers which exonerate the
vaccine, saying there's no link between mercury thimerosal preservative
and vaccinations. In fact when the data are analyzed, when the studies
are looked at comprehensively, 74 percent of those studies' published
data support a link between mercury and autism. And yet the public are
being told, through this vast public relations machine, that the science
is over, it's ruled it out. And when you take the science that proposes
it is ruled out and reanalyze it correctly, which Dr Desoto did from
the University of Northern Iowa, it shows exactly the opposite effect,
and the scientists who wrote the original papers had to change their
findings and conclusions. They had not analyzed the data properly.

So science in the private interest, I'm afraid, is damaging for the people. And that's what we're seeing at the moment.

What
happens to a population that becomes dependent for its very survival on
vaccines? Who are we, and our children, and our grandchildren, then
beholden to? And are the people we are beholden to, the pharmaceutical
industry, are they actually capable of anticipating what that bacteria
or virus is going to do next? No. Because they've never thought about it
in the first place. So we are creating a marketplace; we are creating a
wonderful revenue model; and we are creating a potential time bomb for
the population.

You cannot sterilize the world, nor should you.
This whole notion of the Germ Theory needs to be radically modified in
light of what we now know, so that we have scientists who acknowledge
that this fundamental and very essential ecological interaction between
man and microbe, or plant and microbe, is vital... but you have a
commercial imperative which pays no heed to that at all.

You're
taking children and you're giving them ethyl mercury from day one...
indeed now in pregnant women in the influenza vaccine, and you are
potentially very likely biological, plausibly, poisoning the immune
system of those individuals, biasing it towards an immune response that
is not protective against viral infections, and then you're giving live
viruses? What is the outcome of that going to be? Aluminum is known to
influence the immune system in the same way. Indeed, that's why it's
there [in the vaccines]. It's there to promote an antibody response, a
response which does not bias the immune system towards protection from
intracellular organisms like viruses. You are deliberately doing it. So
when you then give a live viral vaccine, what is the compound effect of
that? When you're giving them all at the same time, what is the compound
effect? No one knows. Why? Because no one's looking. Why? Because no
one cares enough, that's why.

Do not take these infectious
agents, these known toxins for granted. Do not make assumptions about
them, particularly when you're using them in combination because they
will produce untoward effects that you don't even expect, that you are
not looking for, [that] you have not got on your list of adverse
reactions that are known to be caused by this virus. You won't find
them. Because you have changed the whole interaction between the
infectious agent, or the neurotoxin and the immune system. That's what
you've changed, something so fundamental.

If you're going to get
involved in this kind of debate, then you as the scientist need to study
the history of medicine, the history of science as well, and understand
this is the fate of many people who go out on a limb, who make
extraordinary claims. That's what's going to happen. You mustn't expect
to be exonerated in your lifetime... or ever.

But you must stick
to the scientific principle and pursue the hypothesis until its natural
conclusion, and not abandon it because you're put under political,
financial or other pressures, if you can. Now, there is an additional
imperative for a physician to do it, who is looking at these children...
As long as I don't suffer from the vainglorious belief that this is
all going to be resolved in my lifetime -- I hope it is for the sake of
these children -- but I'm so far beyond that notion that I need some
kind of redemption from the American Academy of Pediatrics, or The
Lancet, I don't. These are instruments of a state that I don't really
want to be associated with. I would like to stick to the principles of
medical science, and that's my job. And I won't be deterred from that.

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