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Doomsday Clock Moves Forward a Minute: Worrisome or Wacky?

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The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists has been running its symbolic "Doomsday Clock" since 1947, when the development of nuclear weaponry persuaded them to offer the public some kind of warning. They arbitrarily change how many "minutes to midnight" to reflect how close humanity is to dooming itself. The clock has been static since 2010, when it was moved from 5 minutes to 6 minutes -- a symbolic gain for humanity. But this year they pushed it back to 5 minutes.

Their website explains, "The challenges to rid the world of nuclear weapons, harness nuclear power, and meet the nearly inexorable climate disruptions from global warming are complex and interconnected. In the face of such complex problems, it is difficult to see where the capacity lies to address these challenges ... Political processes seem wholly inadequate; the potential for nuclear weapons use in regional conflicts in the Middle East, Northeast Asia, and South Asia are alarming."

The Bulletin originally set the clock to seven minutes before midnight in 1947, and over the years it has fluctuated, at the Bulletin's discretion, between an all-time low of 2 minutes (1953) and a high of 17 minutes (1991). If you want to read the Bulletin's summary of past changes, it's all layed out on their website.

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  • Matilda Walton 2012/01/11 23:33:08
    Wacky
    Matilda Walton
    +6
    THERE IS NO "HUMAN BEING" ALIVE.........CAN REGULATE THE "TIME OF THE END OF

    THIS WICKED SYSTEM OF THINGS"( DOOMSDAY).............BECAUSE GOD THE

    FATHER HAS MADE IT ABSOLUTELY CLEAR IN HIS HOLY WORD THE BIBLE THAT

    "NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR OF THE END( DOOMSDAY) NOT EVEN

    THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN"................MATTHEW 24:38

    AND ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT THEY KNOW............IS A "FALSE PROPHET".................

    MATTHEW 24:21-44

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  • P∩NK¥ P◎WƏR ✿ ◠‿◠ 2012/01/11 18:36:33 (edited)
  • cher2 P∩NK¥ P... 2012/01/12 00:08:11
    cher2
    you need help.
  • Omegaphenes 2012/01/11 18:25:57
    Wacky
    Omegaphenes
    +1
    Wacky, yes. But, worrisome, well, yea, as well. See, it takes a silly clock like this by such well educated professionals to bring light to what we failures of a race are doing. We focus on CNN, RSS feeds, Twitter trends, Facebook updates, or participating on Sodahead.com to see what they are trying to say (although we really should know this already). What they are saying, is what we are doing. We are ruining our planet, we are ruining the only planet we have. Now, yes, the nuclear meltdown in Japan was mainly due to the cause of natural disaster, but had they had a better source of energy, this may not have happened. Even better, if they were not such energy hogs, they would not need such a source of energy. This really goes for the whole world, not just Japan. But, there is no hope for us...we have set the course for a world like something from a post-apocalyptic movie like Mad Max, or whatever other Hollywood movie is kicking around. No turning back now. I might not be around to see the end, but my great-great grand kids may see it happen. http://images.sodahead.com/pr...
  • freed-mind 2012/01/11 18:24:57
    Worrisome
    freed-mind
    It's only worrisome because it took them so long to move it forward
  • BlackwinterG36C 2012/01/11 18:22:45
    Worrisome
    BlackwinterG36C
    Iran, North Korea, and a desperate or incompatant Obama. They say the world will end in 2012. Those are 3 reasons why the clock is ticking.
  • Dori Aravis 2012/01/11 18:19:34 (edited)
    Worrisome
    Dori Aravis
    +1
    The only thing that has kept us from nuclear destruction over the past 60+ years is sheer luck. We have come very close many times, and if Iran gets the bomb and decides to use it, all bets are off. I'm not losing any sleep over it, but it is a very real possibility
  • Jesterz Dori Ar... 2012/01/11 18:47:39
    Jesterz
    +2
    The scarecrow of Iran using the bomb is only that, a scarecrow... They KNOW it would mean immediate retaliation and absolute anihilation of their country, Ahmadinejad may make a lot of noise, but he holds no power that does not come from Ali Khamenei... And aside his backward views of the world, he's not a warlike man. In Fact Iran has not gotten into a war of agression since the late 19th century (1826 to be exact) when they retaliated against Russia...

    N.Korea was much more worrisome than Iran when Jong-Il was alive, now I think this possibility is evaporating...

    Sorry to remind you of this but the only country in history that did use the bomb was the USA... and not only once but twice...

    You cannot deny to others what you would consider your sovereign right, if it's good for you then it's good for me too, if you know what i mean...

    Don't go into the "crazy Iranian ayatollahs who want to destroy the world" propaganda BS please, repeating a lie a thousand time doesn't make it true...
  • beavith1 Jesterz 2012/01/11 21:40:28
    beavith1
    then why is Iran rushing to build weapons?

    these are atomic scientists that move the clock. they understand what Iran is doing. why/how do you think that you are smarter?

    i think this clock move has been delayed by a full two years.
  • Jesterz beavith1 2012/01/11 22:07:08
    Jesterz
    Who's saying that Iran is rushing to build weapons? FoxNews?? Yeah right....

    I'm not saying that they won't eventually want to, but for now they want to build nuclear power plants and for that you have to develop nuclear expertise no?

    And even if they want to eventually have a few bombs, what makes it ok for USA, France, China and others to have them but not ok for Iran or any other???

    Israel has the bomb since the 60's but refuses to admit it... Israel is currently believed to possess between 75 and 400 nuclear warheads with the ability to deliver them by intercontinental ballistic missile, aircraft, and submarine.

    But it's ok right?
  • beavith1 Jesterz 2012/01/11 22:25:09 (edited)
  • Jesterz beavith1 2012/01/11 22:36:48
    Jesterz
    You have not answered my questions in regards to what makes it wrong for Iran to have nukes but ok for USA, France or Israel and others to have them...

    Typical...
  • beavith1 Jesterz 2012/01/12 14:22:49
    beavith1
    what part of 'Iran is a signatory to the NPT' don't you understand?

    they have pledged to prevent proliferation of weapons technology, even as they do it right in front of our eyes.

    hence the Bulletin moving the clock up.

    typically obtuse. or typically clueless. its a tossup.
  • Jesterz beavith1 2012/01/12 14:37:32 (edited)
    Jesterz
    Are you saying that if they had never signed the NPT it would then be ok?

    Just curious...
  • beavith1 Jesterz 2012/01/12 14:59:10
    beavith1
    basically, yeah.

    Iran whines about Israel having weapons, but Israel was never a signatory.

    and that's the tough part for Iran. Iran, as a signatory, can't withdraw now because that tips their hand to Israel.

    Iran declares itself a 'nuclear state' and Israel will attack. they have to walk a very narrow line to build this capability without precipitating an attack.

    the senseless thing about this is that there is no need for Iran to have nuclear weapons. its as if they have entered into a suicide pact with themselves. its a national version of 'suicide by cop'.

    i think most countries would tolerate Iranian support of terrorism as 'Iran being Iran'. what can anyone think if that support of terror also includes nuclear weapons?

    there are some lines that can't be crossed. and it looks like Iran is trying to run across it.
  • Jesterz beavith1 2012/01/12 15:37:41
    Jesterz
    Some ground we can agree on it seems... All is not lost then! ^_^

    I totally agree that Iran doesn't NEED nukes, nor does any country for that matter. And I also think that the 4 other countries with nuclear capacities (India, Pakistan, N-Korea and Israel) should be sanctionned until they do sign it... but that is another matter... ;o)
  • beavith1 Jesterz 2012/01/12 16:58:02
    beavith1
    i don't think anyone is expressing any malicious intent against Iran.

    that being said, them having a bomb is unacceptable for the world in general and Israel specifically. the Iranians are shipping thousands of short range missiles into Lebanon for use against Israel the next time there is a Palestinian Israeli dustup. wouldn't one deliverable nuclear weapon be dandy for the Palestinians?

    make no mistake. Israel will attack if they think that Iran is on the verge of creating 100+ pounds of weapons grade uranium. that's enough for one bomb. Israel won't tolerate a plutonium production capability. those weapons are small enough to fit on Iran's crappy IRBMs.

    like i said. its as if Iran wants to commit suicide. i'd be OK with it if it didn't effect anyone else, least of all me and my family.

    maybe Pakistan can be de armed, but that's unlikely. they can't control their frontier. its a mess. as long as China has nukes, India won't give up theirs. Israel won't even acknowledge theirs. give them up? give up what?

    as long as Russia or the US has nukes, China won't give up hers.

    its like a circular firing squad.
  • RobertM... Jesterz 2012/01/11 22:51:50
  • RobertM... Jesterz 2012/01/11 22:42:51
    RobertMorgan
    +1
    "The scarecrow of Iran using the bomb is only that, a scarecrow... They KNOW it would mean immediate retaliation and absolute anihilation of their country"

    Have you forgotten that they have stated publicly many times that their GOAL is to be destroyed at the hands of the Infidel, be it the US, Israel, or any other power who they view as non-believers. It is the only way to prove their point. In their mind, there is no higher honor or pleasure in life than to be martyred at the hands of the enemy. Why do you think they boast of their suicide wave corps numbering in the multi-millions?
    You can ignore these facts, but they are public knowledge facts. Some of the biggest political mistakes in history were simply not taking unspooled radicals at their word when they make unspooled threats, threats that then take many by surprise when they make good on them.
    Iran has stated point-blank, If we build an atomic bomb we will vaporize Israel. You can have a philosophical debate about sovereign rights and the history of atomic warfare, but what do those things matter if half the population of one of our closest allies and best friends in the world is incinerated or dying because Iran did what they vocally and repeatedly warned us they would do.
    It's like trying to talk a jumper off of a ro...



    "The scarecrow of Iran using the bomb is only that, a scarecrow... They KNOW it would mean immediate retaliation and absolute anihilation of their country"

    Have you forgotten that they have stated publicly many times that their GOAL is to be destroyed at the hands of the Infidel, be it the US, Israel, or any other power who they view as non-believers. It is the only way to prove their point. In their mind, there is no higher honor or pleasure in life than to be martyred at the hands of the enemy. Why do you think they boast of their suicide wave corps numbering in the multi-millions?
    You can ignore these facts, but they are public knowledge facts. Some of the biggest political mistakes in history were simply not taking unspooled radicals at their word when they make unspooled threats, threats that then take many by surprise when they make good on them.
    Iran has stated point-blank, If we build an atomic bomb we will vaporize Israel. You can have a philosophical debate about sovereign rights and the history of atomic warfare, but what do those things matter if half the population of one of our closest allies and best friends in the world is incinerated or dying because Iran did what they vocally and repeatedly warned us they would do.
    It's like trying to talk a jumper off of a roof: he's telling you he's going to jump, but you say you don't believe him, so he shows you he means business by jumping off.
    It isn't much of a stretch in the mind of the rational to always believe and act accordingly towards those who have threatened to kill you and are actively seeking the means to do so.
    You say "Don't go into the "crazy Iranian ayatollahs who want to destroy the world" propaganda BS please, repeating a lie a thousand time doesn't make it true.."

    But is that propaganda when those sentiments come straight from the mouth of the country's leader? Or is it then just fact? Does repeating a fact a thousand times make it any less of a fact?
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  • Jesterz RobertM... 2012/01/12 00:07:11
    Jesterz
    Yes i heard Dinjad say this, a lot too, but it's just a show... You know there are at least 25,000 jews living in Iran? True, life is not that easy for them as authorities are always suspicious... But it's the same for most muslims in america... And Amhedinjad won't be reelected next time, he stepped on Khamenei feet a few times and this is something that won't go unsanctionned...

    You say that if your neighbour threatens to shoot you it's ok to get your own gun to be prepared to defend yourself... I won't argue here... But isn't that what the US, British and Israeli governments have been doing to Iran (treathening them and meddling in their internal affairs) since 1979?? Those countries have lost their grip on iranian resources that year, and it pissed them off... You believe in peace through strenght you say, then who have a right to deny the iranians the same??

    You see, I personnaly don't think of Israel (the actual government mind you, not the jewish people) as my ally, nor a friend, because if a friend of mine was acting like they are i'd slap him behind the head for acting like an arrogant idiot and bully. A "friend don't let friend drive drunk" kind of thing... But then i'm not american... Now don't think I deny Israel's right to exist because it ain't so, it has every r...





    Yes i heard Dinjad say this, a lot too, but it's just a show... You know there are at least 25,000 jews living in Iran? True, life is not that easy for them as authorities are always suspicious... But it's the same for most muslims in america... And Amhedinjad won't be reelected next time, he stepped on Khamenei feet a few times and this is something that won't go unsanctionned...

    You say that if your neighbour threatens to shoot you it's ok to get your own gun to be prepared to defend yourself... I won't argue here... But isn't that what the US, British and Israeli governments have been doing to Iran (treathening them and meddling in their internal affairs) since 1979?? Those countries have lost their grip on iranian resources that year, and it pissed them off... You believe in peace through strenght you say, then who have a right to deny the iranians the same??

    You see, I personnaly don't think of Israel (the actual government mind you, not the jewish people) as my ally, nor a friend, because if a friend of mine was acting like they are i'd slap him behind the head for acting like an arrogant idiot and bully. A "friend don't let friend drive drunk" kind of thing... But then i'm not american... Now don't think I deny Israel's right to exist because it ain't so, it has every right to exist and I would be the first to help defend Israel if they were unjustly attacked...

    I believe there will be general elections in Israel in 2012 (maybe 2013) and if the left can rise to office and kick Benny Yahoo out, the foreing policies will change and that would do a lot in regards to the stability of the region... If Israel was honestly seeking peace and i stress "honestly", the kind of speech that chihuahuadinjad makes would be laughed at by his own people...

    But you know what? In the end it doesn't matter, as corporate interests are already set in keeping the region unstable... To hell with peace, because instability nurtures fear and fear is the best way to control a population...

    Anyway, i'm not trying to convince anyone here, i shared the opinion to which i'm entitled to, and neither you or I will influence the events to come i'm afraid...
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  • cher2 Jesterz 2012/01/12 00:12:57
    cher2
    I don't worry about anything that I can't do anything about. So, I am a happy camper...now, if it happens, I will still be a happy camper, because there was nothing I could do about it anyway, and didn't know what hit me. I think that will be the same for you, but you will be wasting precious time worrying about it.
  • James 2012/01/11 18:18:00
    Wacky
    James
    +1
    Only because it's a doomsday clock- Really?! A CLOCK?!
  • smitty 2012/01/11 18:17:44
  • Leslie 2012/01/11 18:17:26
    Wacky
    Leslie
    I think they have too much time on their hands.
  • JuliaLoren 2012/01/11 18:14:35
    Worrisome
    JuliaLoren
    +1
    i think its a bit of both. its very ignorant to think there is no end of days for us, as a planet and as a species. As far as being able to predict the time or date it will happen, that's a little crazy.... unless they're pushing the button to start a nuclear war, i don't think we can accurately predict our own demise, nuclear or otherwise. (asteroids, extreme weather, plague, the sun killing us, aliens...?)
  • Sheila Keesey 2012/01/11 18:12:43
    Worrisome
    Sheila Keesey
    +1
    Obviously the majority from this site aren't politically literate...:)
  • Sheila ... Sheila ... 2012/01/11 18:28:13
    Sheila Keesey
    I sincerely believe that that people forget all too soon. Does any of you wacky voters realize what kind of personalities we are dealing with, in regards to Iran, etc. These people have no compassion or regard for human life . Ask any military family or personnel, if they think the threats are bogus and funny..This isn't the big joke that some of you are making it out to be. Go put your time in overseas, talk to the family of the American in Iran, that they just gave the death sentence to..UNREAL !
  • Ben 2012/01/11 18:11:51
    Wacky
    Ben
    +1
    Every idiot knows that humankind will not be wiped out due to nuclear technology. It will be a virus.
  • Overexp... Ben 2012/01/11 18:16:34
    Overexposed
    It's just counting down to ''Global Disaster''
    They take biolgical warfare, nuclear warfare, ELO's, etc... into consideration, not just nukes.
  • Ben Overexp... 2012/01/11 18:19:55
    Ben
    Oh! Good to know. Nukes are so last century. If I had a choce to wipe out the world, I'd go with a super bug. How would you do it? Zombie apocalypse? giant meteor? ozone poisoning?
  • Overexp... Ben 2012/01/11 18:26:08 (edited)
    Overexposed
    Personally, providing they aren't 28 Days Later style sprinting zombies, then roll on the zombie apocalypse!

    Personally though, i'd create a superbug, with an incubation period of a year or so. The bug would be super infectious and have no symptoms during its incubation period, after which it becomes fatal.
    Billions of people would be affected, because nobody would know that they were spreading it... A year later, everyone infected just drops dead.
    ...
    Scary to think, it could be happening right now... *Gasp*
  • Overexp... Overexp... 2012/01/11 18:38:18
    Overexposed
    Actually, for anyone curious (or paranoid) about the current global state of events, then check out...
    http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/...

    Though, when you click on an event, it might seem empty at first, so click the tab at the top that says ''Description''.

    Just sharing... ^_^
  • Ben Overexp... 2012/01/11 19:25:13
    Ben
    +1
    Any virus that can survive an incubation period of a whole year deserves to take over! But, the longer the incubation period, the longer it would take to kill off the host. So, you're talking looting, riots, anarchy, and probably nukes. That's long enough to sell a suicide kit, the way they did in Children of Men. haha! Good thinking, though.
  • Overexposed 2012/01/11 18:08:24 (edited)
    Worrisome
    Overexposed
    And the fact that the majority voted ''Wacky'' is rather worrysome...

    Smashing Pumpkins - Doomsday Clock
  • Sheila ... Overexp... 2012/01/11 18:13:42
    Sheila Keesey
    yes INDEED !
  • RobertM... Overexp... 2012/01/11 23:01:02 (edited)
    RobertMorgan
    +1
    I think the fact that even a minority of people would chose to live their lives worried about the crystal-ball gazing of a handful of scientists who's predictions have been consistently wrong over a nearly 70 year period is quite worrisome. The closest we've ever come to global disaster was the Cuban Missile Crisis, an event tailor made for the Doomsday Clock Folk, yet the clock in that period was set several minutes earlier than it is now, during a time of comparative world peace.
    If your car's gas gauge is consistently showing more or less gas than you have by a substantial margin, how long do you keep trusting it?
  • Saphirra 2012/01/11 18:08:24
    Wacky
    Saphirra
    Oh boy...here we go again. But hey if it happens, it happens, just don't loom it over my head. thundercloud over my head
  • Reid in Atlanta 2012/01/11 18:04:23
    Worrisome
    Reid in Atlanta
    +1
    That 63% voted wacky shows how ignorant most Americans are, at any given minute a loose nuke could take out a city like NY or DC, or an EMP could go off at high altitude, and the results would be a thousand times worse than Sept. 11
  • Ben Reid in... 2012/01/11 18:12:58
    Ben
    +3
    So it would be like 911,000.
  • Sheila ... Reid in... 2012/01/11 18:14:42
    Sheila Keesey
    Good to see some intelligence !
  • JJ 2012/01/11 17:45:47
    Wacky
    JJ
    +1
    First off, no one , NO ONE knows when that is going to happen. Christ said to watch the signs of the times and especially watch Jerusalem. Things that are about to happen will be coming from that direction. I do feel very strongly that we are in the end times, but not yet, as much has not happened yet. So, a dooms day clock tells me nothing, but Christ advice does. We have to pay attention to what is going on in front of oue eyes and we have to get God back into our lives and obey his 10 commandments. Right now, I feel we are all being tested to what we are going to do...listen to men or God. These test are most important and will make the difference between God helping us or not in the situation America is in now. We truly need to get down on our knees.

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