Libs don't have views of their own,their simply a broadcasting system for their Messiah
Arguing with Liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon: "It knocks the pieces over, craps over the board and flies back to its flock to claim victory,blaming Bush for it's inability to debate
Doesn't it seem that all we hear from the left is 'Talking Points' straight out of the White House from libs here on SH?
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My wife has this aunt who was a legislator (liberal) in another state. I was hoping to get a real insight from her about how the left really thinks as all I get is talking points from libs here on SH. We visited her this summer and I thought "Oh boy, now I get the real scoop!" And what did I get? Talking points and lots of snide remarks concerning anything conservative.
I was shocked. I really expected better and certainly some indepth conversation about liberal policies even if she was wrong. She couldn't even prove her points and got really mad when I corrected her on obama's policy decisions which she should have known!
Poor woman, she's just marching over the cliff like all the rest of the libs are doing.
I don't think I'll bother discussing anything at Thanksgiving...poor thing will be in a funk then anyway. obama having lost and all, lol!
I was shocked. I really expected better and certainly some indepth conversation about liberal policies even if she was wrong. She couldn't even prove her points and got really mad when I corrected her on obama's policy decisions which she should have known!
Poor woman, she's just marching over the cliff like all the rest of the libs are doing.
I don't think I'll bother discussing anything at Thanksgiving...poor thing will be in a funk then anyway. obama having lost and all, lol!
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BUCCANEER~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/08/22 15:48:12
First off, I believe that the middle class is the backbone of this country. And promoting the agenda of the rich over the middle class is the wrong approach...
As as specific CEOs and corporations? Wow, off the top of my head..
Chesapeake energy, Bank of America, any company outsourcing or offshoring, profitable companies doing layoffs, of course Koch industries... and many more.
Give me spacifics.
I think that cutting government services right now, is going to hurt our economy.
For example, when you pay unemployment, that money goes right back into the economy and supports small businesses... when you cut that off, it is going to hurt those small businesses.
As far as corporations go. I like them. I work for one. I don't think they are hated or slandered in general. Some are, but then again some deserve it.
As far as corporations leaving... the Cayman corporate tax rate is 0%. Yet for some reason, there are still corporations in the US. Should we compete and drop taxes for corporations? Maybe we should pay them (to keep ahead of the Cayman Islands). Maybe we could take what used to be middle class jobs and make them minimum wage jobs to appease them.... Then lower the minimum wage ... that seems to be the current conservative plan...
Kind of reminds me of the cold war; the U.S. accused Russia of doing all kinds of stuff; that Russia really wasn’t doing, yet the U.S. was doing. People tend to portray their own traits on others; so when the left accuses the right of copy and pasting; it’s because that’s what they are doing.
I'd like to see Obama and Romney both out and the race be between Johnson and Stein that way we can all have some intelligent conversation and whichever one wins we would be better off that the 2 we got now
"They're temporary, narrow, and not what small business owners are asking for, which are fewer regulations and a permanent cut in the personal income tax rate or at least no hike in that rate. Third, they have no chance of being enacted in 2012... The tax cuts included tax relief limited to a fraction of the six million small businesses in America. "
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/31...
From January 31, 2012;
President Barack Obama sent Congress a package of small business measures today that he said would expand tax relief and unlock capital to boost the economy and create jobs.
The plan would expand and make permanent a zero capital gains rate on small business investments; enact a new, 10 percent tax credit for hiring or increasing wages; double to $10,000 from $5,000 the deductions a startup business could take and extend 100 percent first-year depreciation, for one year, for qualified property placed in service before Jan. 1, 2013.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news...
Unlocking capital is the key.
I am one of those small businesses, and I see absolutely nothing at all from them. So just who is receiving those tax breaks?
It would be nice if they would come out.
I'm not expecting to agree with me but it would be nice if an open discourse could happen.
Obama is a center right democrat at best, before the GOP went nuts he would have been considered a Blue Dog not a Marxist
I am always confused how anyone could consider a president to be a leftest when he
-Betrayed the working class by not passing EFCA or federal minimum wage laws
- Is allowing Bradley manning to die for creating the transparency he claimed he would
-Bailed out and financed private for profit business with public money
-Allowed the Bush Tax Cut to continue
-has deported more immigrants than anyone before him
-Expanded the drone wars and added 3x the troops in Afghanistan
-committed targeted assassinations including a U.S. citizens
- legalized indefinite detention for those who protest
-Chose to institute an individual mandate that is nothing but gift to for profit insurance companies Instead of pushing for true Socialized Healthcare
The list goes on and on
He broke every promise that mattered from closing GITMO to marching with workers
and even when he trys to have some mildly progressive talking points it's obvous it's all talk for instance what has he done to ensure a woman's right to choose? or to end the war on drugs, or ensure peoples right to an education, or...
Obama is a center right democrat at best, before the GOP went nuts he would have been considered a Blue Dog not a Marxist
I am always confused how anyone could consider a president to be a leftest when he
-Betrayed the working class by not passing EFCA or federal minimum wage laws
- Is allowing Bradley manning to die for creating the transparency he claimed he would
-Bailed out and financed private for profit business with public money
-Allowed the Bush Tax Cut to continue
-has deported more immigrants than anyone before him
-Expanded the drone wars and added 3x the troops in Afghanistan
-committed targeted assassinations including a U.S. citizens
- legalized indefinite detention for those who protest
-Chose to institute an individual mandate that is nothing but gift to for profit insurance companies Instead of pushing for true Socialized Healthcare
The list goes on and on
He broke every promise that mattered from closing GITMO to marching with workers
and even when he trys to have some mildly progressive talking points it's obvous it's all talk for instance what has he done to ensure a woman's right to choose? or to end the war on drugs, or ensure peoples right to an education, or a home etc
Everyone can pretend that him saying he was OK with gay marriage means something but you get no points from me for being behind Dick Cheney on a civil right. and the idea that a guy from a mixed family could say it's a states issue is sickening
The fact is he is just another corporate sponsored capitalist hawk
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-Has ordered strikes without concern to civilian casualty killing women and children and then in one case ordering the bombing of a childs funeral to get those gathered
- Waged war on Libya without congressional approval
- Escalated a proxy war in Somalia
-Sold Sold $30 billion of weapons
-Has secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries
-and even ordered killing of a US citizen and his 16 year old son
Not to mention his already threatening illegal action against Iran
Now be honest with yourself would you still feel the same way if he had an R next to his name?
We also waged a proxy war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, and that was by an R.
$30, 000, 000,000 in gun sales to Mexicans is ridiculous. Last I heard they sold 2020 weapons to the Mexican cartels.
Are you seriously complaining about how the CIC uses his forces?
Illegal action against Iran? Most Republicans was to nuke 'em.
Yes, I will vote for Obama again.