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Does Wisconsin need a tax-and-spend Democrat, as Bill Clinton says, to replace Gov. Walker who, in 18 short months, eliminated the state deficit WITHOUT RAISING TAXES?

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  • tncdel 2012/06/05 17:07:22
    NO [explain why not].
    tncdel
    +6
    Bill Clinton and Hillary are both one-world-government commie-socialist "globalists" with strong ties to Bilderberg, the group that created Barack Obama.

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  • Gordon 2012/06/06 04:32:31
    NO [explain why not].
    Gordon
    No taxpayer wants or needs a tax and spend politician. That sort has done much to cause our present economic malaise.
  • DebraJMSmith 2012/06/05 22:19:14
    NO [explain why not].
    DebraJMSmith
    +2
    I hope Walker wins today.
  • Cal 2012/06/05 21:44:16
    NO [explain why not].
    Cal
    +5
    America has had enough problems. It's time to take the road to recovery...and the democrats are running in the opposite direction.
  • Marie 2012/06/05 19:51:14
    NO [explain why not].
    Marie
    +2
    A little afraid about Wilson attitude on pensions! Maybe the unions are not the greatest, but worried about pensions people are depending upon to retire! pensions
  • Daedalus 2012/06/05 19:40:57 (edited)
    NO [explain why not].
    Daedalus
    +3
    **Hit the wrong button again ;-\**

    The way you put it, neither sounds that good but Gov. Walker lied going both ways on the state deficit.

    Blog Title: "Scott Walker’s budget lie (yes, LIE) he receives a “pass” from the media on again and again…"
    http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpres...

    Simply stated – Scott Walker created his own deficit, then pushed off paying state debt in the amount of over $500 million to 2030. The interest paid will total over $156 million. This is all debt that should have been by the end of 2011-2012. It is critical to understand that the deficit Scott Walker created in 2011, and decrease in revenue collections from his fiscal policies are the very reason this debt is being pushed off over two decades – placing a higher burden on future generations.
  • Daedalus Daedalus 2012/06/05 19:41:17 (edited)
    Daedalus
    +2
    Blog Title: "Scott Walker’s budget lie (yes, LIE) he receives a “pass” from the media on again and again…"
    http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpres...


    In January 2011, before Scott Walker took office, the non-partisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau (LFB) sent their annual letter to Joint Finance Chairs Alberta Darling and Robin Vos (2011_01_31Vos&Darling; LFB Memo ). When Walker took office, the LFB forecast a $56.3 million SURPLUS – after accounting for the $65 million statutory “minimum balance.” That’s correct – Wisconsin was poised for a surplus on the day Scott Walker took office.

    The same memo one year later shows the effects of the Walker budget, and GOP “business friendly” policies. In essence, Scott Walker created the crisis with his policies – as shown in the LFB memo to Darling and Vos dated February 9, 2012 (2012_02_09_Darling_Vos_Revenue estimates). As cited above, the deficit in the biennial budget of a combined $261 million is attributed to Acts passed in 2011. Decreased income tax collections and personal revenue collections are attributed directly to the impact of Act 10 on working families (in essence, a tax increase):

    “The revised estimates incorporate
    the effects of a number of law changes estimated to reduce revenues by approximately $175
    million in 2011-12 and $225 milli...



























    Blog Title: "Scott Walker’s budget lie (yes, LIE) he receives a “pass” from the media on again and again…"
    http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpres...


    In January 2011, before Scott Walker took office, the non-partisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau (LFB) sent their annual letter to Joint Finance Chairs Alberta Darling and Robin Vos (2011_01_31Vos&Darling; LFB Memo ). When Walker took office, the LFB forecast a $56.3 million SURPLUS – after accounting for the $65 million statutory “minimum balance.” That’s correct – Wisconsin was poised for a surplus on the day Scott Walker took office.

    The same memo one year later shows the effects of the Walker budget, and GOP “business friendly” policies. In essence, Scott Walker created the crisis with his policies – as shown in the LFB memo to Darling and Vos dated February 9, 2012 (2012_02_09_Darling_Vos_Revenue estimates). As cited above, the deficit in the biennial budget of a combined $261 million is attributed to Acts passed in 2011. Decreased income tax collections and personal revenue collections are attributed directly to the impact of Act 10 on working families (in essence, a tax increase):

    “The revised estimates incorporate
    the effects of a number of law changes estimated to reduce revenues by approximately $175
    million in 2011-12 and $225 million in 2012-13. The most significant law changes are increased
    deductions for medical insurance premiums, tax deferrals for capital gains that are reinvested in
    Wisconsin-based businesses, and exclusions and deductions related to health savings accounts.
    Income tax collections will also be reduced as a result of the additional state and local employee
    retirement and health insurance contributions required under 2011 Act 10.”

    The tax giveaways to corporations also have had an effect on state revenues, especially in the DOR’s ability to collect taxes due big, profitable corporations by opening up previously closed loopholes:

    “The corporate income and franchise tax estimates have been adjusted to reflect the effect
    of certain law changes, including requiring corporations that are members of a unitary group to
    file combined returns, repealing the domestic production activities deduction, requiring
    throwback sales to be included 100% in the apportionment formula, allowing combined groups
    to use pre-2009 net business loss carry-forwards, and the phase-in of the state qualified
    production activities tax credit”

    The analysis shows that instead of CREATING jobs and increasing business activity, Walker policies are actually slowing output and production, as consumer demand and buying power stagnates – a function of the persistent long-term unemployment problem:

    “…overall business activity is
    projected to continue to expand, but at a slower pace than in 2010 and 2011. For example, real
    investment in equipment and software, which increased by 14.6% in 2010, and by an estimated
    10.3% in 2011, is projected to increase by 7.9% in 2012, and 7.6% in 2013. Real durable goods
    purchases increased by 7.2% in 2010 and by an estimated 8.1% in 2011, but are forecast to
    increase by 5.6% in 2012, and 4.5% in 2013. Manufacturing output growth is projected to be
    4.3% in 2012 and 3.4% in 2013, after increasing 5.4% in 2010 and by an estimated 4.5% in
    2011.”

    So much for the “job creators.” How could Walker show a balanced budget, much less a surplus, in the face of this LFB analysis? Simple – as with the disputed job numbers, he made his own surplus – empowered by Acts 13 and 32 of the 2011 GOP-controlled Legislature – who are all complicit in this fiscal fraud.

    Simply stated – Scott Walker pushed off paying state debt in the amount of over $500 million to 2030. The interest paid will total over $156 million. This is all debt that should have been by the end of 2011-2012. It is critical to understand that the deficit Scott Walker created in 2011, and decrease in revenue collections from his fiscal policies are the very reason this debt is being pushed off over two decades – placing a higher burden on future generations.
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  • tncdel Daedalus 2012/06/05 20:11:07
    tncdel
    +1
    So how do you rationalize this?:

    Milwaukee’s taxes went up 7 of the 8 years Barrett has been mayor.

    Property taxes have increased by $48 million under Barrett’s watch.

    Tom Barrett tried to raise $14 million in fees on Milwaukee taxpayers in 2012.

    Spending has increased in Milwaukee by more than $338 million under Barrett.

    Unemployment rates increased to 27% under Barrett.

    Milwaukee is the 9th poorest city in America and ranks one of the worst major cities for unemployment under Tom Barrett.

    Under Barrett, Milwaukee has one of the worst graduation rates in the entire country.
  • Obama F... tncdel 2012/06/06 00:12:47
    Obama Failed Soda Head Chief Opi
    +1
    he can rationalize it , but, you knew that all ready,lol!
  • Obama F... Daedalus 2012/06/06 00:11:25
    Obama Failed Soda Head Chief Opi
    +1
    So much of your liberal , B.S

    Voters who first elected the conservative Walker on a promise to fix the state's dismal economy and crushing debt appear ready to reaffirm their judgment.

    They would be making the right decision given the results Gov. Walker appears to have produced.

    When Walker ran for governor, he promised to eliminate the state's $3.6 billion budget deficit without raising taxes. He says he has done this. In fact, the Walker administration projects a surplus of $154.5 million by the end of the 2013 fiscal year. In this Walker mirrors Virginia Republican Governor Bob McDonnell, who also turned a deficit into a surplus in his first months in office without raising taxes.

    Walker promised to create a "Waste, Fraud and Abuse Commission" and identify $300 million in savings to taxpayers. The commission identified $450 million in savings. According to Wisconsin's Dept. of Workforce Development, unemployment in Wisconsin dropped from 7.5 percent in 2011 to 6.7 percent in 2012.

    A survey conducted by the Manpower Group shows state employers expect to increase their hires in the second quarter this year. And according to the Chief Executive Group, www.chiefexecutive.net, Wisconsin jumped from a ranking of 41 on a list of the best/worst states for business under former Democratic Governor Jim Doyle, to 20th under Walker.
  • sjalan 2012/06/05 19:38:10
    YES, Wisconsin needs a tax-and-spend Democrat instead of Walker [explain why].
    sjalan
    +5
    Your question should have been Can the State of Wisconsin withstand another year or so of Walker? His actions against the state workers has been nothing short of dictatorial and fascist in his actions. We do not need more fascists in this country.
  • Daedalus sjalan 2012/06/05 19:54:05 (edited)
    Daedalus
    +4
    He also created the state deficit where there would have been surplus, then hid it from view with creative accounting. What an unprepared, incompetent looser that guy must be.

    Blog Title: "Scott Walker’s budget lie (yes, LIE) he receives a “pass” from the media on again and again…"
    http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpres...
  • tncdel Daedalus 2012/06/05 20:12:04
    tncdel
    +1
    Are you plagued with Lib selective amnesia, perchance? :)~

    Milwaukee’s taxes went up 7 of the 8 years Barrett has been mayor.

    Property taxes have increased by $48 million under Barrett’s watch.

    Tom Barrett tried to raise $14 million in fees on Milwaukee taxpayers in 2012.

    Spending has increased in Milwaukee by more than $338 million under Barrett.

    Unemployment rates increased to 27% under Barrett.

    Milwaukee is the 9th poorest city in America and ranks one of the worst major cities for unemployment under Tom Barrett.

    Under Barrett, Milwaukee has one of the worst graduation rates in the entire country.
  • Daedalus tncdel 2012/06/05 20:17:34
    Daedalus
    +2
    Yet he is better than Scott Walker, that is amazing.
  • sjalan Daedalus 2012/06/05 20:55:39
    sjalan
    +1
    Yep with the help of smoke and mirrors
  • Daedalus sjalan 2012/06/05 22:29:05 (edited)
    Daedalus
    He put it almost 20 years into the future. :-\
  • Lady Wh... sjalan 2012/06/05 20:53:38
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    agreed
  • micha77 sjalan 2012/06/07 18:50:38
    micha77
    Go to Madison, find some old hippies, light up the bong, and sit in a circle and sing "Kumbaya". Get a grip. This is about nothing except ideology. The progressive ideas are not working. The people are starting to realize it.
  • Freeranger 2012/06/05 18:51:30
    NO [explain why not].
    Freeranger
    +3
    Tell me, did Clinton arrive with his porn girls or did he come alone? They're pullin' out all the stops I see. I can't wait to read the results. What was it they're so fond of saying when it suits them....."the PEOPLE have spoken?" Lets see what happens.
  • lurx: the soda jerk 2012/06/05 18:23:06
    YES, Wisconsin needs a tax-and-spend Democrat instead of Walker [explain why].
    lurx: the soda jerk
    +3
    For months now, data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics have unambiguously shown that under Walker's leadership, employment "growth" in Wisconsin has ranked among the worst of any state in the country. The most recent monthly "year-over-year" data, for example, from the BLS' Current Employment Statistics, show that employment shrank by 21,400 in Wisconsin between April 2011 and April 2012 - a period that nicely coincides with the first full year after passage of Walker legislation (i.e. the budget-repair bill and June 2011 budget).

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/...
  • morris44 lurx: t... 2012/06/05 19:35:34
    morris44
    +2
    You're the only one using actual statistics.

    Too bad they go to waste in the vapid world of sodahead.
  • tncdel morris44 2012/06/05 19:54:15
    tncdel
    +1
    Too bad you don't get in the habit of availing yourself of the stats in the report, whose link I provided you in the topic question details section. Then you'd have spared yourself public embarrassment.

    And that was in addition to other stats others posted. Seems your "Lib truth warning system" is on max today. :(
  • morris44 tncdel 2012/06/06 15:25:57
    morris44
    I saw some of your posts with numbers in them, I did not see a link.

    I may have missed it.
  • Daedalus morris44 2012/06/05 19:54:35 (edited)
    Daedalus
    +3
    He also created the state deficit where there would have been surplus, then hid it from view with creative accounting. What an unprepared, incompetent looser that guy must be.

    Blog Title: "Scott Walker’s budget lie (yes, LIE) he receives a “pass” from the media on again and again…"
    http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpres...
  • Daedalus lurx: t... 2012/06/05 19:54:25 (edited)
    Daedalus
    +2
    He also created the state deficit where there would have been surplus, then hid it from view with creative accounting. What an unprepared, incompetent looser that guy must be.

    Blog Title: "Scott Walker’s budget lie (yes, LIE) he receives a “pass” from the media on again and again…"
    http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpres...
  • tncdel Daedalus 2012/06/05 20:15:39
    tncdel
    +1
    I see that is a Liberal blog focused on attacking Walker, not an unbiased analysis. Is your purpose the same as that blog? Your "facts" and "stats" have all the credibility of a Globe report.
  • mwg0735 2012/06/05 17:59:51
  • Daedalus mwg0735 2012/06/05 19:58:09 (edited)
    Daedalus
    +1
    He created the state deficit where there would have been surplus, then hid it from view with creative accounting. What an unprepared, incompetent looser Scott Walker must be.

    Blog Title: "Scott Walker’s budget lie (yes, LIE) he receives a “pass” from the media on again and again…"
    http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpres...
  • tncdel Daedalus 2012/06/05 20:16:24
    tncdel
    +1
    Let me tag right behind you adding what you "forgot" to include:

    Milwaukee’s taxes went up 7 of the 8 years Barrett has been mayor.

    Property taxes have increased by $48 million under Barrett’s watch.

    Tom Barrett tried to raise $14 million in fees on Milwaukee taxpayers in 2012.

    Spending has increased in Milwaukee by more than $338 million under Barrett.

    Unemployment rates increased to 27% under Barrett.

    Milwaukee is the 9th poorest city in America and ranks one of the worst major cities for unemployment under Tom Barrett.

    Under Barrett, Milwaukee has one of the worst graduation rates in the entire country.
  • HarleyCharley 2012/06/05 17:57:20
    NO [explain why not].
    HarleyCharley
    +2
    they can't afford it
  • George Romney 2012/06/05 17:52:00
    YES, Wisconsin needs a tax-and-spend Democrat instead of Walker [explain why].
    George Romney
    +1
    Scott Walker has a fine economic record, the thing is that he's just a corrupt hack (John Doe investigation, repealing equal pay legislation, etc.). Wisconsin doesn't need a tax-and-spend Democrat, which is why a Moderate like Tom Barrett would be a good fit.
  • tncdel George ... 2012/06/05 19:36:00 (edited)
    tncdel
    +2
    Either you haven't taken time to review Barrett's record, or you are deliberately lying.

    Further, you call Barrett a "Moderate." Moderate WHAT? Surely not a moderate hybrid of true Liberal and Republican principles [for THAT is what a true "moderate" would be, sandwiched in the middle of both parties' agendas].

    In case you were sincere and merely spoke about Barrett out of naive ignorance, please come to grips with the following reality:

    Milwaukee’s taxes went up 7 of the 8 years Barrett has been mayor.

    Property taxes have increased by $48 million under Barrett’s watch.

    Tom Barrett tried to raise $14 million in fees on Milwaukee taxpayers in 2012.

    Spending has increased in Milwaukee by more than $338 million under Barrett.

    Unemployment rates increased to 27% under Barrett.

    Milwaukee is the 9th poorest city in America and ranks one of the worst major cities for unemployment under Tom Barrett.

    Under Barrett, Milwaukee has one of the worst graduation rates in the entire country.

    In other words, Tom Barrett has been an abject FAILURE as a mayor. So WHY would you want to replace Governor Scott Walker with this guy? Is partisan loyalty your first consideration over who is actually a better candidate?

    I'm an Independent, with no partisan loyalties whatsoever. When I voted last time for state c...

    Either you haven't taken time to review Barrett's record, or you are deliberately lying.

    Further, you call Barrett a "Moderate." Moderate WHAT? Surely not a moderate hybrid of true Liberal and Republican principles [for THAT is what a true "moderate" would be, sandwiched in the middle of both parties' agendas].

    In case you were sincere and merely spoke about Barrett out of naive ignorance, please come to grips with the following reality:

    Milwaukee’s taxes went up 7 of the 8 years Barrett has been mayor.

    Property taxes have increased by $48 million under Barrett’s watch.

    Tom Barrett tried to raise $14 million in fees on Milwaukee taxpayers in 2012.

    Spending has increased in Milwaukee by more than $338 million under Barrett.

    Unemployment rates increased to 27% under Barrett.

    Milwaukee is the 9th poorest city in America and ranks one of the worst major cities for unemployment under Tom Barrett.

    Under Barrett, Milwaukee has one of the worst graduation rates in the entire country.

    In other words, Tom Barrett has been an abject FAILURE as a mayor. So WHY would you want to replace Governor Scott Walker with this guy? Is partisan loyalty your first consideration over who is actually a better candidate?

    I'm an Independent, with no partisan loyalties whatsoever. When I voted last time for state candidates, I chose seven Republicans to vote for, and five Democrats, one a true "moderate" who was elected as governor. You too should choose the best, not vote according to party.

    And Walker is most definitely far better for Wisconsin than is Barrett!
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  • Fran-Halen 2012/06/05 17:50:53
    YES, Wisconsin needs a tax-and-spend Democrat instead of Walker [explain why].
    Fran-Halen
    http://www.dailykos.com/story...

    But, both political parties are just two sides of a corrupt coin.
  • none 2012/06/05 17:48:07
    NO [explain why not].
    none
    +4
    Unemployment is down, there are more jobs, taxes are lower, and the deficit is lower because of Walker, only a fool or a Democrat would want to go back to the way it was.
  • john Kills 2012/06/05 17:44:37
  • frank 2012/06/05 17:44:21
    NO [explain why not].
    frank
    +4
    Walker is the best thing to come along in a long time, he has stood up to the Unions that support the tax and spend Democrats. We need a lot more just like him.
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/05 17:43:39
    NO [explain why not].
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +4
    Wisconsin has the exact governor it needs. And the people of Wisconsin today will show whether they get that or not.
  • brutusin~ Proud Apetheist 2012/06/05 17:41:20
    NO [explain why not].
    brutusin~ Proud Apetheist
    +1
    But Walker is also a Tax and Spend Republican.
  • Daedalus brutusi... 2012/06/05 19:54:50 (edited)
    Daedalus
    +2
    He also created the state deficit where there would have been surplus, then hid it from view with creative accounting. What an unprepared, incompetent looser that guy must be.

    Blog Title: "Scott Walker’s budget lie (yes, LIE) he receives a “pass” from the media on again and again…"
    http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpres...
  • tncdel Daedalus 2012/06/05 20:19:42
    tncdel
    +1
    I see you've been real busy on my topic question pasting in today. Are you an Obama paid-blogger, perhaps, stumping for Barrett? Guess I'll re-paste to add a bit of balance to your lop-sided Lib rendition of the "facts."

    Milwaukee’s taxes went up 7 of the 8 years Barrett has been mayor.

    Property taxes have increased by $48 million under Barrett’s watch.

    Tom Barrett tried to raise $14 million in fees on Milwaukee taxpayers in 2012.

    Spending has increased in Milwaukee by more than $338 million under Barrett.

    Unemployment rates increased to 27% under Barrett.

    Milwaukee is the 9th poorest city in America and ranks one of the worst major cities for unemployment under Tom Barrett.

    Under Barrett, Milwaukee has one of the worst graduation rates in the entire country.
  • tncdel brutusi... 2012/06/05 20:17:28
    tncdel
    +1
    The record doesn't mesh with your wrong assertion.

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