Does where Obama was born matter?

by DJL Posted 2011/04/04 01:32:35

Related Topics: Citizenship, Obama, United States, England

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The citizenship of the father is the determining factor for a child’s citizenship, according to Long. He states that in the case of Hughes, his father was a British citizen when Hughes was born, which precluded him from qualifying as a “natural born citizen”:

If the father becomes naturalized before the birth of the child and is at the time of the birth of the child a citizen of the United States, then the child is a ‘natural born’ citizen. But in the case of Mr. Hughes the father was not naturalized at the time the son was born and was at that time a subject of England. How could the son be a “natural born” citizen of the United States?…There can hardly be…any dispute that Mr. Hughes was at the time of his birth an English subject. If he was at that time an English subject, he became a citizen of the United States by a process of naturalization, and is not a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

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none 2011/04/04 02:30:10

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I want to know because he's President and I want HIM to prove it instead of some BS from the state of Hawaii.. I already know he's completely unqualified and a total screw up, other than that I want to know the truth behind this POS POTUS.
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DJL to TheBrown 2011/04/04 04:07:36

You need to read the definition of natural born citizen. If Obama was born in Hawaii he is a native citizen not a natural born citizen. Only natural born citizens can be president.

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Roni to TheBrown 2011/04/04 05:14:22 (edited)

You're right, the Constitution is very clear. And, you're also right that the 14th amendment defines what a citizen is and what a naturalized citizen is. We're not infusing it with anything. You said 'read the friggen Constitution,' so let's do that! You copied the 14th Amendment to support your position on citizenship. We all read it with you...at least I did.

Now let me point you to Article 2, Section 1 of that SAME Constitution, wherein it states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

I've provided a link, just so you know I haven't changed any of the verbiage: http://www.usconstitution.net...

You have to admit that clearly, there's a difference between the type of citizenship described in the 14th Amendment, and the verbiage depicting natural born status (required to seek the Office of President) that's described in Article 2, Section 1.

Keep in mind, the reason for the 14th Amendment was to provide slaves with citizenship. Now ask yourself, in that era, do I really believe that the leaders of the country would have given citizenship to a slave if it meant he/she could become US President? I think not! There were far too many racists back th...

You're right, the Constitution is very clear. And, you're also right that the 14th amendment defines what a citizen is and what a naturalized citizen is. We're not infusing it with anything. You said 'read the friggen Constitution,' so let's do that! You copied the 14th Amendment to support your position on citizenship. We all read it with you...at least I did.

Now let me point you to Article 2, Section 1 of that SAME Constitution, wherein it states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

I've provided a link, just so you know I haven't changed any of the verbiage: http://www.usconstitution.net...

You have to admit that clearly, there's a difference between the type of citizenship described in the 14th Amendment, and the verbiage depicting natural born status (required to seek the Office of President) that's described in Article 2, Section 1.

Keep in mind, the reason for the 14th Amendment was to provide slaves with citizenship. Now ask yourself, in that era, do I really believe that the leaders of the country would have given citizenship to a slave if it meant he/she could become US President? I think not! There were far too many racists back then, and to give any slave or ex-slave the ability to have that much power, well, let's just say it wouldn't have gone over very well with the constituents back at home. Clearly, there are two different meanings behind the citizenship described in Article 2, Section 1, and in the 14th Amendment.
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Roni to TheBrown 2011/04/04 04:25:40

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The 14th Amendment defines what it means to be a citizen of the United States, or a naturalized citizen of the United States. Nowhere in the 14th Amendment does it define what it means to be 'natural-born.'

You have no idea how nice it is to find someone who uses original source material to back up their position. It really is refreshing. That said, you missed the mark a little bit.

To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a citizen of the United States. To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born. When a non-citizen passes the required tests and submits to an oath, he is awarded citizenship and can be elected to public office...but he is NOT natural born, so he is ineligible to seek the office of President. There's a huge difference between Presidential eligibility and the citizenship afforded through the 14th Amendment. The 14 Amendment was written to address citizenship for slaves. Today, it provides US citizenship to any child born on US soil. Don't be confused, even though citizenship is awarded to all babies born on our soil, the child of one or two illegal parents is NOT considered natural-born, and therefore, cannot seek the office of President.

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TheBrown to Roni 2011/04/04 04:48:14

I'm done here. Take it up with the courts if they will listen...

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DJL to TheBrown 2011/04/04 04:51:13

If they don't on May 2 they will have to when there are several states that have passed eligibility laws for the 2012 elections like the ones passed by Oklahoma and Arizona.

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juggernaut to TheBrown 2011/04/04 03:19:19

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Really? What did he do to prove it then? That phony doc that was already proven fake?

You're the one who is blinded sir and by your own bias and ignorance.

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TheBrown to juggernaut 2011/04/04 03:27:08 (edited)

It was never proven fake. Maybe some kid down the road from you told you it was fake but that does not make it true

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DJL to TheBrown 2011/04/04 03:50:07

Even if Obama was born in Hawaii he cannot be a natural born citizen. Where he was born doesn't make matter,

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TheBrown to DJL 2011/04/04 03:54:18

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Do you even realize how baseless what you just said is? There isn't a courtroom in the country that wouldn't laugh if they heard that

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DJL to TheBrown 2011/04/04 03:59:15

The courts have said several times that only a person born of two US citizens is a natural born citizen. Since Obama's father was not a citizen it doesn't matter where Obama was born. He cannot be a natural born citizen. He can only be a native citizen and that is not the requirement for president.

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TheBrown to DJL 2011/04/04 04:07:07

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What courts are you talking about? The court of public opinion? The court of FOX news? Because the courts that actually make laws in this country wont even look at this argument because they know it's baseless

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DJL to TheBrown 2011/04/04 04:25:43

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. . . .

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

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Lynn 2011/04/04 03:02:42

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Because it is a contitutional requirement that Obama has yet to satisfactorily fulfil.

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DJL to Lynn 2011/04/04 03:07:48

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His father was not a citizen so even if he was born in Hawaii he does not meet that requirement.

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DanielBruski 2011/04/04 03:00:57

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If you have to spend millions on lawyers to hide your birth and life records, then where you are from does matter. He's hiding something, and someone will spill the beans.

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DJL to DanielB... 2011/04/04 03:09:51

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If someone who's father wasn't a citizen can't be a natural born citizen then even if Obama was born in Hawaii he is ineligible. That is why it doesn't matter.

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CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY 2011/04/04 02:49:38

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Yes it matters. So does the Constitution. Funny how both requirements are being questioned heavily these days isn't it?

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DJL to CUDDLY ... 2011/04/04 02:52:19

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If both parents need to be citizens for someone to be a natural born citizen then where Obama was born doesn't matter. Obama can only be native born.

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CUDDLY ... to DJL 2011/04/04 02:55:09

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His Mom sure liked that, shall we say, mystery meat.

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gg~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2011/04/04 02:45:43

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It matters to me. Is the man, currently acting as U.S. President, qualified to hold that position? If not, he does not need to be there (and never should have been there).

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DJL to gg~POTL... 2011/04/04 02:49:45

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If natural born means that both parents need to be citizens then no matter where Obama was born he is ineligible to be president.

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gg~POTL... to DJL 2011/04/04 03:02:18

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I agree.

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jumpboots 187th PIR 2011/04/04 02:45:13

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Will this fraud get away with it?

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gg~POTL... to jumpboo... 2011/04/04 03:04:46

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I hope not.

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joe59 2011/04/04 02:33:26

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I'm sure once he's out of office and doesn't have all the power like he does now to hide and seal things someone will finally expose him.I read a lot of interviews about his colleges also and a lot of people at one of the college's he went to have no idea who he is. No graduation pics or anything.

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none 2011/04/04 02:30:10

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I want to know because he's President and I want HIM to prove it instead of some BS from the state of Hawaii.. I already know he's completely unqualified and a total screw up, other than that I want to know the truth behind this POS POTUS.

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DJL to none 2011/04/04 02:42:21

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The point of the article is that Obama can't be a natural born citizen even if he was born in HJawsaii so it doesn't matter.

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nukenova 2011/04/04 02:26:18

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No of course not. Its to late for it to matter, Just so he is gone in 2012

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DJL to nukenova 2011/04/04 02:28:40

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The reason it doesn't matter is because of his father. Only someone that has two citizen parents can be a natural born citizen. If Obama was born in Hawaii he is a native born citizen and is ineligible.

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☆56lady☆POTL~JLA~PWCM 2011/04/04 02:21:35

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No it does not matter where Barry was born. Barrys father was not a citizen of this country nor was he a natural born citizen of this country therefore HE can not qualify to be the President of the United States of America. So it does not matter where Barry was born it is a moot point!!!

but a lot of states are passing laws on the birth certificate issue so hopefully he can not get on ballots such as TEXAS to be re-elected!!!

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DJL to ☆56lady... 2011/04/04 02:26:23

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You are correct. Obama could be native born if he was born in Hawaii but never natural born.

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☆56lady... to DJL 2011/04/04 02:39:03 (edited)

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why are people having such a hard time comprehending this???? you can not convince me they are that stupid!!!

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Karen E to ☆56lady... 2011/04/04 02:52:35

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some are.

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gg~POTL... to ☆56lady... 2011/04/04 03:00:50

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LOL, love your fire, 56lady! I don't think people are focusing on his father, maybe they don't get the concept, maybe some think it just easier to go along with it and yeah, maybe some are just stupid. Who knows.

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☆56lady... to gg~POTL... 2011/04/04 03:03:09

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Thank You sometimes I am too passionate about things . . .

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tomas 2011/04/04 02:06:15

Well......lets see. It is a national REQUIREMENT in order to hold the position of the POTUS.

Lets NOT put this on the same level as the liberals put illegal immigration.

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DJL to tomas 2011/04/04 02:11:04

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If both parents need to be citizens of the US for Obama to be eligible then where Obama was born doesn't matter. He is ineligible no matter where he was born.

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PEEPL 2011/04/04 01:57:46

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Does Liberty matter ? Obama's Grandmother and Half Brother and half Sister all say he was born in Kenya. In fact his Grandmother says that she was present at his birth in Kenya. I say we should march them up the stairs of the Whitehouse and they should make their claims it front of the President. Then again is he the President ?

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DJL to PEEPL 2011/04/04 02:01:31

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Obama's father makes him ineligible no matter where Obama was born. Where Obama was born doesn't matter.

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PEEPL to DJL 2011/04/04 02:07:16

I'll research it more later,. thanks.

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