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Does the existence of evil in the world disprove the existence of God?

The Beaver 2008/03/15 03:35:29
Absolutely - as long as there is evil, God can't possibly exist.
It disproves some conceptions of God, but not necessarily all of them.
It makes belief in God a bit more difficult, but it's not a strong enough argument to warrant atheism.
Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
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One of the strongest and most popular arguments against the existence of God is the 'argument from evil.' According to this argument, the traditional God people believe in can't exist in a world with so much evil - either God would do something, or God can't be very good. Do you agree?
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  • Squint 2008/03/15 03:50:10
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Squint
    +11
    Nope, that pesky old free will. Gotta have something for the ones who pick wrong to do!

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  • CALVIN BENET 2009/09/12 10:53:49
    Absolutely - as long as there is evil, God can't possibly exist.
    CALVIN BENET
    THERE IS NO GOD
  • Jenn 2009/09/03 23:07:25
    Absolutely - as long as there is evil, God can't possibly exist.
    Jenn
    I struggle with that concept that a supposedly loving God, would send me to Hell for simply not believing in him, regardless of whether I lived a morally rich life or not. Seems like an excessively vain God to me.
  • LinkX 2009/08/20 15:55:13 (edited)
    Absolutely - as long as there is evil, God can't possibly exist.
    LinkX
    I appologize, I try not to do this but the best way I can answer this is with a quote:


    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"


    - Epicurus (341–270 B.C.E.)
  • Cantalinda 2009/07/13 20:09:23
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Cantalinda
    I believe it makes more sense that a good God would allow evil, than for a evil God to allow good. Evil in this world is the result of mans free will. God does not do anything in vain all suffering of the innocent will be avenged.
  • Jewels 2009/06/28 01:44:13
    Absolutely - as long as there is evil, God can't possibly exist.
    Jewels
    +2
    If there is a god that thinks a child being molested or abused is somehow OK.. Then I am so happy I don't believe! If someone "has the power" to change these acts then he/she/it can not be a great person to stand by and watch.
  • Cantalinda Jewels 2009/07/13 20:25:02
    Cantalinda
    You are judging God yet... what have you done to help stop the abuse and molestation of children? You cannot be such a great person to just stand by and watch! You do not understand Gods purpose for allowing us to live on this earth and experience this life. It is a lesson. To whom much is given much is expected. The four year old child in Africa who dies form starvation will receive comfort in heaven. But the American man who has been blessed with so much and could have easily done something to save that child's life as well as many others will be judged.
  • Jewels Cantalinda 2009/07/13 20:56:07
    Jewels
    I am a social worker.... So I do my best to stop any type of abuse. I am also a mother and I would NEVER stand by and watch!

    I do understand you logic but at the same time I can flip that logic around. Innocents get taken away and given pain oh but wait after you go through all that pain hey you get to live in heaven and then everything is just peachy. BUT you can find comfort in knowing that someday the person that did these things to you will be judged.... Yeah thats not comforting in my book.
  • Cantalinda Jewels 2009/07/14 12:47:10
    Cantalinda
    When did I say that the comfort would come from knowing that someone else will be judged? Heaven is a place for forgiving people not revengeful ones. It's honorable that you are a social worker. But realize that God does his works on this earth in two ways... through the Holy Spirit and through his people. Suffering is horrible but we have to realize that this life is nil when compared to eternity. God would rather us do his works (to prepare us) instead of just waving his magic wand and having us all walk around like happy little robots. God greatly values free will. God has free will and he made us in his image. The evil and suffering in this world is a result of either the actions or inactions of man.
  • Jewels Cantalinda 2009/07/14 12:58:24
    Jewels
    I can not believe in something such as this. I hope your right and all the "scum" of the earth meets some horrible eternity but I'm not going to hold my breath....
    Then again since I do not believe I guess I'll find myself there as well. Or at least this is what I have been told on SH.
  • Cantalinda Jewels 2009/07/14 14:18:53
    Cantalinda
    I cannot convince you of anything that you don't want to believe in. That is your own personal journey. I think you should ask yourself 'if all of this turns out to be true and I find myself in hell after I die how will I feel towards this God?'. Will you be bitter and hateful or humbled and sorrowful? The Bible says that in hell there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth out of hatred towards God. Your personal and honest answer to that question is a big factor for whether or not you would end up in Hell.
  • Jewels Cantalinda 2009/07/16 01:55:57
    Jewels
    I can never hold hate for any one. Yes there are things that I think people should "rot in hell" for. I believe that karma comes to bite everyone no matter what.

    Put it this way my ex husband cheated on me over 15 times (that I know of) in a 3 year relationship. The day before I left him I had already forgiven him. I would have actually liked to remained friends with him... but some men just can't handle that I guess.

    Forgiveness is one of my best qualities... or so I've been told.
  • knicely Jewels 2009/08/02 02:16:21
    knicely
    Try reading the Book Of Job,maybe that will help you to understand.And try telling satan to get behind you so you won't sound so bitter.
  • Jewels knicely 2009/08/02 02:36:07
    Jewels
    +1
    I have read the bible quite a few times.... And just to let you know I don't believe in satan either. I am as far from a bitter person as possible lol

    But hey thanks for judging me!
  • knicely Jewels 2009/08/03 20:05:29
    knicely
    You are so welcome!!
  • CALVIN ... knicely 2009/09/13 20:10:23
    CALVIN BENET
    NO JEWEL, READ THE HAPPY HERETIC ,BY JUDITH HAYES, OR AS A MAN THINKETH BY JAMES ALLEN, OR GO TO REASONED SPIRITUALITY (REASONED.ORG), OR TRUTHBEKNOWN.COM, OR THEJOVIALATHEIST.COM. IT WAS GOOD TO KNOW THAT I WASN'T ALONE. YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON AND WOULD'VE BEEN REGARDLESS.
  • CALVIN ... Jewels 2009/09/13 20:06:23
    CALVIN BENET
    JEWELS, WHEN IWAS IN VIETNAM, THE FIGHTING PUT US IN A FRENZY AT TIMES, AND I'M SURE I KILLED MANY INNOCENT HUMANS. IT WAS ONLY WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE FRENZY AND TOTAL STATE OF FEAR THAT I REALIZED THAT A LOVING GOD COULD NOT SANCTION WHAT WAS GOING ON. I WAS A FOOL WITH A GUN, FIGHTING OTHER FOOLS WITH GUNS, AND WE DESERVED TO KILL EACHOTHER; BUT THE INNOCENT SUFFERED EVEN MORE. I CAN APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
  • CALVIN ... Jewels 2009/09/13 20:01:45
    CALVIN BENET
    MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY. YOU ARE RIGHT ON IT.. I WENT TO WAR THINKING I WAS ON THIS GOD'S SIDE; BUT THE OTHER SIDE THOUGHT THE SAME THING. WHO WAS RIGHT? THEY CAN HAVE ALL THE GOD'S THEY WANT. I'M OUT AND I THINK FREELY AND CLEAR NOW AND FIND MYSELF BETTER FOR IT. NO MORE BAMBOOZLEMENT FOR ME ON THAT LEVEL.
  • Icarus326 2009/06/16 17:08:01
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Icarus326
    no if anything it proves it you cant have one without the other
  • Eric 2009/06/05 06:19:30
    It disproves some conceptions of God, but not necessarily all of them.
    Eric
    +1
    No, not really. Evil can not exist without good, likewise good can not exist without evil. Something that is evil is a SUBJECTIVE comparison based on set norms to something that is good; the opposite it true as well. If there wasn't evil, there would be no good, because, again, something is only good because something else is considered evil. Both are completely subjective.
  • Starr 2009/05/24 16:30:34
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Starr
    +1
    If you will just read your bible with an open mind and heart God will show you WHY evil is here. God allows man to make a choice. He give us free will to chose Him and other things and many people chose other things including to do evil. Evil exists because WE do. We are the evil ones. God allows cause and effect so we will learn. As the presence of God diminishes evil prevails because God cannot be in the presence of evil. Thats why you see evil growing as we take God away.
  • chosenone 2009/05/18 16:16:44
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    chosenone
    God made both Good,and Evil..You non-Bible study shows.God made Evil..
  • Trinity 2009/04/29 16:25:03
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Trinity
    When we are born, innocent of any sin of our own, we enter into a 6,000-year-old, ready-made world that is permeated with the spirit of Satan and his demons, as well as with the evil cultures they generated through a thoroughly deceived mankind. In consequence, unbeknownst to us, we face a double-barreled challenge to our innocence: from demons as well as from this world.

    Six thousand years of human history exhibit that we very quickly absorb the course of the world around us and lose our innocence, becoming self-centered and deceived like everybody else (Revelation 12:9). The vast majority in this world is utterly unaware that they are in bondage to Satan—so unaware that most would scoff if told so. Even if informed through the preaching of the gospel, they do not fully grasp either the extent or the importance of these factors unless God draws them by opening their eyes spiritually (John 6:44-45).


    Pray will your heart, and really want it with all your being, and He will open your eyes.
  • Helmholtz 2009/02/26 03:43:22
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Helmholtz
    God could be evil. Or our understanding of evil could be skewed which would make it possible for this existence to contain no evil in a larger sense.
  • Larson Whipsnade 2009/02/24 13:58:30
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Larson Whipsnade
    How would we know good, if we did not have evil to compare it to?
    How would we see light, if we saw no darkness?
    How would we know joy, if we felt no sorrow?
    How would we know music, if we heard no din?
    How would we know pleasure, if we felt no pain?
    how would we taste sweetness, if we tasted not bitterness?
    and how would we know love, if we knew not rejection?
  • Helmholtz Larson ... 2009/02/28 05:19:43
    Helmholtz
    so then, does everything in existence have the shared purpose -- namely to be understood by us?

    kind of like the old cliche -- if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it fall, does it make a sound? i suspect that it does, even if we aren't aware of it. i suspect that the tree will have fallen even if no one saw it or can appreciate it or understands it. i suspect that good and evil might operate in this capacity. it's possible that it's easier for us to understand the one in the context of the other, but that's just speaking of us. just because we might need both to understand either doesn't necessarily mean that either, in itself, requires the other to exist.
  • CALVIN ... Larson ... 2009/09/13 20:30:53 (edited)
    CALVIN BENET
    WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO. IF THIS GOD CAN MAKE IT THIS WAY, THEN HE/SHE/IT COULD'VE MADE IT PERFECT, AND THAT WOULD BE ALL WE KNOW ; WHY DO WE HAVE TO KNOW NEGATIVE IN ORDER TO APPRECIATE THE POSITIVE? WHY DO WE HAVE TO EXPERIENCE HATE TO KNOW LOVE? YOUR RELIGIONIST'S REASONING REALLY MAKES NO SENSE TO ME AT ALL. THEN YOU TELL US THAT GOD IS IN CONTROL OF EVERYTHING , AND THAT HE KNOWS THE OUTCOME. WELL, WHATEVER HAPPENS IS WHAT HE ORCHESTRATES, EVEN THE FEIGNED SLAUGHTER OF HIS SON, AND ALL OF THAT OTHER VIOLENCE, MURDER AND FILTH THAT IS FOUND IN THE BIBLE. SO WHY SEND ANYONE TO HELL IF WE ARE DOING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO? WE HAVE NO CHOICE! EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO HEAVEN. RIGHT? NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING EXCEPT THAT CHILDREN ARE BORN OF WOMEN. TO ME, THEY ARE THE GOD.
  • ♫Dustin♫ 2008/11/30 18:01:48
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    ♫Dustin♫
    +1
    the existence of evil doesnt prove (a) god is real or not but just that people believe in (a) god.
  • Seeker 2008/11/30 14:36:06
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Seeker
    As Yin and Yang co-exist, so do "good' and "evil"
  • Dr.Eve 2008/11/20 22:12:01 (edited)
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Dr.Eve
    I believe from the biblical perspective, that without the existence of God, there would be no existence of evil. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". Genesis 1:2 states "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

    The Hebrew translation of the word "was" is actually "became"....so in the Hebrew text, Genesis 1:2 should read, "And the earth BECAME without form, and void........"

    So that leads to the question as to how did it become without form and void? Reading the Books of Ezekiel an Isiah, we are given that answer. Both books give reference to one of God's greatest creations "the brilliant one" "the morning star" - the description of Lucifer - one of the Arch angels. Further reading describes Lucifers attitude that since he is the one of beauty and brilliance as God created him, he likened himself to God, and rebelled thus being cast out of heaven and given dominion over the earth. Becoming an enemy of God. Taking advantage of free will, which God will never overstep, Satan is able to influence us to do his bidding. But GOD did make it clear, that he will send US - his children, a redeemer, a savior. This also occured in Genesis when the fall of man w...'





    I believe from the biblical perspective, that without the existence of God, there would be no existence of evil. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". Genesis 1:2 states "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

    The Hebrew translation of the word "was" is actually "became"....so in the Hebrew text, Genesis 1:2 should read, "And the earth BECAME without form, and void........"

    So that leads to the question as to how did it become without form and void? Reading the Books of Ezekiel an Isiah, we are given that answer. Both books give reference to one of God's greatest creations "the brilliant one" "the morning star" - the description of Lucifer - one of the Arch angels. Further reading describes Lucifers attitude that since he is the one of beauty and brilliance as God created him, he likened himself to God, and rebelled thus being cast out of heaven and given dominion over the earth. Becoming an enemy of God. Taking advantage of free will, which God will never overstep, Satan is able to influence us to do his bidding. But GOD did make it clear, that he will send US - his children, a redeemer, a savior. This also occured in Genesis when the fall of man was chronicled. Man's fall was contributed to the influence of the adversary.

    This is what caused the earth to become void...the fall of Lucifer, Satan, the Devil, the adversary - whatever you want to call him.

    Since Satan has dominion over the earth....we have the existence of evil.

    However, God is a God of Light and in Him there is no darkness. So we cannot attribute any evil doing to God, but by the idiom of permission God does allow things to happen, but is not the cause of it. The ruler of this earth is Satan. God gave him dominion.
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  • ~Cant wait to be Mrs. Seay~ 2008/11/11 18:19:06
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    ~Cant wait to be Mrs. Seay~
    God loves everyone. But if u reject him then he is not to blame. There is so much evil because many people arent turning to God.
  • A ~Cant w... 2008/11/26 14:11:26
    A
    +1
    I don't believe in god and I'm a pretty nice guy. Except when religious nuts try to push their conservative agenda down my throat, then I throw up a little in my mouth. But mostly I just feel sorry for them. How weak minded to you have to be to believe there is some amorphous blob floating somewhere telling us what to do and what to think. I'm a master of my own destiny, and I live my life respecting others, as I am sure others do. The difference is that I don't need a 2 thousand year old book to tell me how to be a good human being. Plus, I have a lot more free time in my hands. All that praying, such a waste of time.
  • CALVIN ... A 2009/09/13 20:34:41
    CALVIN BENET
    GO FOR IT BROTHER. WE MAKE HEAVEN OR HELL RIGHT HERE ON EARTH.
  • CALVIN ... ~Cant w... 2009/09/13 20:33:50
    CALVIN BENET
    THEN HE SHOUL'VE KEPT SATAN IN HEAVEN WITH HIM AND DEALT WITH IT. APPARENTLY HE COULDN'T!
  • Nick 2008/09/25 16:49:24
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Nick
    It is clearly states that evil will run this world. We need to be strong and defeat evil.
  • Joe 2008/09/22 22:23:53
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Joe
    How does one prove or disprove the other? Evil is relative, mercy to the sheep is death to the wolf.
  • emme425 2008/09/22 18:28:15
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    emme425
    Read your Bible, Satan was thrown out of heaven before mankind was made. He was given the earth to roam on. he knows that in the end, he WILL be thrown in the fire and will be there for all eternity. The only thing that makes the world at all livable is the Holy Spirit.. We have choice though...we can choose to do wrong or choose to do right. We deal with the consequences of both choices. God is bigger than Satan, Stronger and much wiser and smarter BUT God will not interfer with our free will.
  • CitizenErased 2008/08/27 15:01:10
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    CitizenErased
    Nope.
    Nothing can prove or disprove the existence of God.
  • wewhodream 2008/08/27 12:52:33
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    wewhodream
    Beyond our concept/belief in evil, it does not exist. The reality that is God is all there is. We invented evil to further hide from God, just as we made the world to hide from "Him".

    "Your wildest misperceptions, your weird imaginings, your blackest nightmares, all mean nothing. They will not prevail against the peace God wills for you." -- A Course In Miracles.
  • Lovee 2008/08/25 15:21:54
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    Lovee
    +3
    I don't believe in evil or god. I don't fit in here, do I?
  • ~*~regs~*~ 2008/08/18 14:09:23
    Not at all - the existence of evil is not a problem for the existence of God.
    ~*~regs~*~
    God gave us free will which would mean that this evil is something that we brought upn ourselves

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