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Does the Chi-com stealth fighter mark the end of U.S. military air dominance?

Daryl 2011/01/19 19:13:19
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"The era of dog fights was supposed to be over. In future wars, American pilots no longer would have to make like Tom Cruise in Top Gun, maneuvering for that kill shot against enemy aircraft. Instead, the nearly radar-invisible Boeing F-22 Raptor, first produced in 2005, would allow American pilots to shoot down an enemy jet from 50 miles away, before the opposing pilot could see even a speck on his screen. But that dream of the easy score was dashed this month, after China introduced its own stealth fighter jet, the J-20.

The test flight of the new aircraft came just as Defense Secretary Robert Gates met with Chinese President Hu Jintao in Beijing to discuss resuming military ties. No one had told Gates the test was planned and he was surprised by what appeared to be a thinly-veiled message about the future balance of power. Hu said that the timing was a coincidence, and that he himself didn’t know the test flight was scheduled. He will get a chance to elaborate when he meets with President Obama in Washington this week. But Bonnie Glaser, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic International Studies told NEWSWEEK: “I don’t buy it. It’s not plausible to me that a new weapons system could be test-flown without Hu's knowledge. The Chinese are sending a signal that they…are still concerned about U.S. power in the region.”

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  • Daryl 2011/01/19 19:14:45
    Daryl
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    Yes. This is precisely what it mean.

    The U.S. is in full decline. The Chinese communists will fill the gap.

    God help us.

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  • paleale 2011/01/22 19:00:25
    paleale
    +1
    Just a matter of time....next thing is pilot training. When they catch up, intersting things will happen...
  • thebadman 2011/01/22 13:33:04
    thebadman
    +1
    Yes, what if they make ten thousand or fifty thousand of them? China has got the man power. China wasn't a threat because their technology was primitive, however, if they can match and surpass American technology per man to operate them, well...
  • Darnel 2011/01/21 15:21:14
    Darnel
    +1
    Probably.
    Blaim the people who want to cut spending for defense.

    Sigh.
  • Redskin 2011/01/21 05:45:10
  • James 2011/01/20 21:28:03
    James
    +1
    Nah.....China can't do sh*t to us once they realize that killing us in any way possible will only hurt themselves.
  • STEELANGEL 凸 Metal Up 凸
    +1
    Knowing how Chinese materials fail easily, I wouldn't worry alot about it.
  • FrederichJosephDeVaney 2011/01/20 19:11:36
    FrederichJosephDeVaney
    +1
    I guess Communism is more reslilient than we thought. If we could only clone Ronald Reagan, he would know what to do.
  • Tom 2011/01/20 14:23:01
    Tom
    +1
    Sounds like Robert Gates may be rethinking the defense budget and priorities for the US military after his recent visit to China.
  • BK 2011/01/20 13:47:27
    BK
    +1
    The problem is that the Chinese stealth fighter is cheaply made and gives their pilots lead poisoning. Also, it's made from all the recalled toys from the last few years.
  • trader 2011/01/20 06:00:50
  • Angel Among Us ♥†♥ American Patriot
    +1
    I'm not going to panic, if its a copy of a US plane its probably not as good as ours.
  • Jeb Roberts 1 %'er - POTL -... 2011/01/20 05:07:49
  • Don Leuty 2011/01/20 04:56:07
    Don Leuty
    +1
    Stealth UAVs are next. Our joy sticks against their joy sticks. The times, they are a-changing.
  • jimmy "In God We Trust" 2011/01/20 02:57:42
    jimmy  "In God We Trust"
    +2
    I'm not concerned, I'm sure we have something going on at area 51 in aero technology that will blow the socks off anything the Chinese will be able to put out in the next 50 years.
  • Mel the Witch POTL PWCM~JLA 2011/01/20 01:41:19
    Mel the Witch POTL PWCM~JLA
    +1
    True Slick Willy paid off his friends and supporters the Chinese with our top secret technology, The "Bama" will make it even worse.
  • sick'n'tired PWCM 2011/01/20 00:51:54
    sick'n'tired PWCM
    +1
    It is the betterment of the technology sold them by Bill Clinton.
  • Alex Oger 2011/01/20 00:41:30
    Alex Oger
    +1
    does a bear poop in the woods art?
  • MarkelFaith 2011/01/20 00:32:58 (edited)
    MarkelFaith
    +1
    *smh* ...and 2 make it worse they're serving us up with our own technology...weather 4 the future dark clouds ahead
  • carlton999 2011/01/20 00:30:33
    carlton999
    +2
    The Dogfight will never be over. America made that mistake in Vietnam by getting rid of the guns on our fighter planes......they had to put them back on to defend themselves. the Chinese stealth fighter is not that stealthy. The F-22 is still the best fighter in the world with the F-35 running a close second. those are just the planes we know about. there is no telling what our military has now. by time the public finds out about what our Military is using the technology is already 10 years old.
  • ThomasSnouffer 2011/01/19 23:33:43
    ThomasSnouffer
    +1
    Been there/done that. It's simply the latest "testing of the waters" by the Military Industrial Complex in their never-ending quest for either MORE funding OR to be exempted from the impending "cuts".

    In Vietnem, the Chinese MIG's were going to "Change aerial combat as we KNOW it and are infinitely superior to anything the US has to counter them with!" Turns out, when one was finally made available for investigation/testing (by the defection of a communist pilot), it was similar to a high-end John Deere that flies (extensive use of hydralic control systems, etc.), NOT something Buck Rogers was trying to "upgrade" to! I think maybe even there was some reverse-engineering work DONE by John Deere's Research and Development team.

    M.I.C.: "If you don't give us MORE money, the boogie man'll get you!!!"

    I'm all FOR helping out our TROOPS (REGARDLESS my opinion of the "morality/validity" of the war in which they are fighting) AT ANY TIME, but Lockheed, Northrup Grumman, etc's R & D departments can tighten THEIR belts right along with the REST of us!
  • whipnet 2011/01/19 23:11:34 (edited)
    whipnet
    +3
    No way. The F-22 and the F-35 are both much more advanced and "old" (1980's) technology for the U.S. You know there is some wicked black ops that I am sure programs could be advanced at a quicker pace if needed.

    When I saw their so called copy of the F22 I laughed. Look at the engines in the thing. They are old russian designs. Russian jet engines are crap. And these are crap copies of crap.

    We don't have to fear their crappy planes, we have to fear our crappy leaders selling this country out to them!


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  • carlton999 whipnet 2011/01/20 00:44:10
    carlton999
    +2
    thats what I said. Ive seen the F-22 fly, it can out fly a video game. ive played the F-22 game and it does not even come close to the real thing. talk to F-18 and F-15 pilots about going up against the F-22 and you can see the look of utter defeat in their faces. this Chinese plane is nothing but a cheap copy.
  • NidStyles 2011/01/19 23:02:12
    NidStyles
    +2
    not in the least bit. The Russian's have built Stealth Fighter's as well. The difference is that we've had decades of time to refine our's and understand what makes it work. Notice how large this plane is, and how much depth the vertical surfaces have. That's a big no-no in stealth. How long do you think it will take them to figure it out?
  • ruralntex 2011/01/19 22:51:03
    ruralntex
    +3
    Oh come on! The Chinese have always been capable of amazing things. Just now, they are experiencing a period of economic boom. How long has it been since they had the last one? Thier good times are no more a forboding of future success for them than the Japanese boom times of the 80's was for the Japanese. The one thing that the United States has on every country in the world is its ability to shut down, re-tool and head out in another direction in a relatively quick process. I think what you will see in the US now, is our government finally getting a handle on the spending. The Chinese on the other hand, are not so capable of changing direction quickly. If we successfully re-act, they will have to take a new accounting of things. We will see if their cocky demeanor survives the changes. Eh? If we start seeing Chinese jets in Iran or Venezuela then we can cross that bridge when we get to it. But frankly, I think the Russians probably have a better product than the Chinese. No offence intended to the Chinese.
  • carlton999 ruralntex 2011/01/20 00:56:15
    carlton999
    +1
    Remember when the first Iraq war started, our military against a Russian built Military. We ran rings around it and lost only one plane if I remember correctly.

    before the start of WW2 Yamato warned the Emperor not to wake a sleeping giant. Japan is in economic crisis at the moment. your absolutely right.
  • ruralntex carlton999 2011/01/20 03:40:42
    ruralntex
    +2
    Lockheed and Boeing make fine stuff. For the Chinese to toot that they have something "just as good" is a huge stretch. They know it and they know we know it. That said, we sure don't want any war with them. Trade is a much better use for the relationship.
  • JingerJewels 2011/01/19 22:28:55
    JingerJewels
    +1
    this is what happens when you put a Immigrant in in the white house he has no respect for the military or military technology he has no loyalty to the USA the state dinner is just a celebration of the sale of Amerika to the communist chinese along with campaign 2012 fundraiser and together we thrive
  • FN6R BAN63R 2011/01/19 22:08:11
    FN6R BAN63R
    +1
    clinton gave computer technology to the chinese and now they have a supercomputer that is twice as fast as ours. We give away or technology and make it more profitable to go oversease with our buisnesses and yet I can't quite understand why the U.S. is suckin hind tit in world competition... Well, I wouldn't understand if I were a lib. duh
  • J 2011/01/19 21:28:08
    J
    +1
    In the left's "perfect world", yes it does.
  • VoteOut 2011/01/19 21:18:27
    VoteOut
    +2
    Interesting how this is coming out as a surprise when its not new news they were developing this

    Here is an article from 2005 and isnt this the technology Bill Clinton sold them
    http://www.freerepublic.com/f...

    developing article 2005 technology clinton sold httpwww freerepublic comf
  • Dagon 2011/01/19 21:15:28
  • dlsofsetx 2011/01/19 21:05:56 (edited)
    dlsofsetx
    +1
    Thank Bill Clinton for this.He should be charged with treason for selling the PRC military secrets.
  • Bob 2011/01/19 20:52:48
    Bob
    +1
    Their level of technology isn't there quite yet! But coming on quickly. Maybe they will use lead paint and get their pilots brains cooked!
  • les_gvt 2011/01/19 20:45:43
    les_gvt
    +2
    No

    What will force us to cede our position will be lack of fuel- or rather- the ability to get it. Due to China's constant increasing of its fuel reserves globally, and our constantly shutting ours down, we are destroying our capabilities to produce our own, and relying on other nations/companies such as BP (who just completed a merger with the Russian national company Rosneft) to supply us.

    This also means that amidst all our other difficulties, such as the declining dollar, our fuel will become more expensive, while China's will become cheaper. This also will affect training time available, and at some point, no matter how much better our equipment/ technology are, the training issue will have its affect
  • Bronar 2011/01/19 20:41:11
    Bronar
    +2
    My brother who is into anything that flies, built his own experimental that I have flown thousands of miles in and reads everything he can get his hands on, tells me that the inside dope in these things is that they are not superior to the ones we developed 20 years ago. I hope he's right.
  • npotter 2011/01/19 20:38:42
    npotter
    +1
    It certainly appears that way. China makes no bones about showing off, and certainly won't stop at the J20. They have this "in your face America" attitude and especially since we owe them so much money. So why are we not investing more in our military? This should be a priority, but to those who have never served in the military have absolutely no idea what it really means.
  • Bob 2011/01/19 20:36:39
    Bob
    +1
    Woohoo, Now we can get out of being the worlds policemen and let the chinese get off their $$ and asses to make the world a safer place.. AS IF!!
  • gibyob 2011/01/19 20:34:04
    gibyob
    +2
    This particular air craft is not that much of a worry because the engines used are big old fashion turkey feather type and not as we have on the F22 a flat heat dispersing and exhaust cooling tail. It is cinsiderabily larger than the F-22 and according to the Chinese military they got the technology from the Russians who are also several years behind us in the stealth technology. The real important issue is that the technology to detect and defeat stealth is sheaper and easier to manufacture than stealth it self. I don't see our stupid government doing what it should do so we are goin to have to suffer further decline in our technical superiority, it has been sliding away faster and faster as the years go by.
  • PBUTTERBOY77 2011/01/19 20:22:11
    PBUTTERBOY77
    +2
    If it's like every thing else they make, it'll be recalled
  • Billy Board 2011/01/19 19:57:32
    Billy Board
    +1
    The technology we know about is five years old. What we don't know is ... will, it makes me comment, "What -- Me Worry?"
    technology years comment worry what me worry obama

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