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Does that 'truther' thing hold up after the way KSM and company behaved at their trial?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/05/07 16:29:04
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On Saturday (May 5), the first phase of a terrorism trial took place.
A military tribunal at Guantanamo Bay arraigned Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
and four co-defendants. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admitted (or boasted),
years ago, to two crimes:


  1. He planned the Nine-eleven Incident, recruited the operatives to carry it out, instructed them, and sent them.
  2. He personally cut off the head of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

On March 1, 2003, police in Pakistan caught him with his pants down
(literally), in the company of three comely young women. Police also
seized a laptop computer with a file (in clear text!) containing many
passwords that he regularly used. The Pakistanis turned him over to the
Americans. They brought him to Guantanamo Bay. There the Central
Intelligence Agency interrogated him, with “enhanced” or “harsh”
methods. “Waterboarding” (pouring water onto a cloth held over the
prisoner’s mouth and nose) was one part of a routine that finally broke
him. After that, he sang whole arias. Placido Domingo should envy him.


The military held a first terrorism trial, but stopped it. Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed admitted everything. He even said that he wanted to die,
as a “martyr” to Islam.


Then Barack H. Obama took office as President. He appointed Eric
Holder, one who once defended suspects at other terrorism trials, as his
Attorney General. Holder sought to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in the
New York City District Court in Manhattan. Local residents, and
relatives of the 3,000 people who died at the World Trade Center,
expressed outrage. So now the military must try him again, along with
four other men who the government says were his accomplices.


The New York Post and The Los Angeles Times
both describe what those defendants did. They refused to enter a plea
when the judge asked them to. They pulled the headphones out of their
ears so that they would not hear the simultaneous translation of the
proceeding. They spread prayer mats on the courtroom floor and knelt to
pray. One suspect raised his thumb and smiled at two victim’s family
members who watched behind a window. (Thumbs up, in Arabic culture, is
not a gesture to encourage. It is the kind of insult an American or
European gives when he raises his middle finger, or thrusts his fist
straight into the air.) Another defendant took a copy of the pleadings,
folded it into a paper airplane, and mounted this on a microphone.


That defendant’s woman lawyer did him one better. She dressed in full Muslim hijab for the terrorism trial. The sketch that CNAV has seen shows a woman wearing a full scarf that covers all but the front of the face. (It is not the Afghan burqa that leaves the wearer only a fine mesh to breathe through.) She then audaciously said that all women at the terrorism trial, or any phase of it, should wear hijab to avoid offending her client!

But the mainstream media has missed something else: the “Truther” narrative. A “Truther” is anyone who says that the Nine-eleven incident was an inside job.
The basic “Truther” theory says that President George W. Bush sought an
excuse to go to war to help his friends in the oil and defense
industries profit. (That’s similar to the reason that Romans went to war
in Julius Caesar’s day: they had turned war into a highly profitable
business.)


Another “Truther” version says that a cabal of international bankers
have wanted all along to scare humanity into embracing a one-world
government. The World Trade Center would always be the linchpin of that
plan. Ostensibly the World Trade Center would bring businesses together
from around the world, into one place. That is exactly what the World
Trade Center did do, for decades since its twin towers first eclipsed
the Empire State Building as New York’s tallest. But, should the
Bankster Cabal feel the need, they could always stage a dreadful act of
sabotage and mass murder, by demolishing the World Trade Center in a way
that would look like a bombing or an airstrike. To that end,
so the theory goes, the original contractors put demolition charges
throughout all the buildings, so that someone could collapse the
buildings by remote control and stage any scenario they wanted. In 2001,
they had the perfect scapegoats: Islamic terrorists. So these shadowy
plotters:


  1. Recruited twenty operatives that looked like Muslim terrorists.
  2. Trained them in precision flying using commercial airliners.
  3. Put baggage on board in phony Muslim names, to support the “mujahed” narrative.
  4. Ordered those operatives to seize the planes and fly them into the buildings.
  5. Detonated the demolition charges where the planes happened to strike.

The plane that struck the Pentagon happened to strike at its
reinforced wall. The target of the fourth plane might have been the
Capitol. We’ll never know, because a group of passengers, with Todd
Beamer (“Let’s roll!”) in the lead, took matters into their own hands
and forced the fourth team to crash their plane well short of
Washington.


The “Truther” narrative relies most heavily on the fall of Building
Seven. No planes hit it. Yet it fell down abruptly hours after the
towers did. “Truthers” insist that someone blew it up to stop the New
York Fire Department from finding the demolition charges it carried.
They also insist that Mayor Rudy Giuliani commanded New York’s first
response from a spot away from Lower Manhattan, this although the primary first-response headquarters was in Building Seven.


What has this to do with the terrorism trial? Consider this:
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed broke every rule of tradecraft. He kept a laptop
computer with passwords in clear text. In this era of rampant identity
theft, no civilian does that. Or he shouldn’t, anyway. This
reporter keeps different passwords for different merchants in a file
that only a special password management program can open. Furthermore,
each password holds up to fifteen letters and numbers that the program selects at random, or thirteen characters that include punctuation marks. Why Khalid Sheikh Mohammed did not protect his passwords the same way, CNAV will not speculate.


So CNAV might forgive a “Truther” for saying,


See! KSM left his passwords hanging out! And you say he
planned the most brilliant high-precision flight operation in the
history of warfare? Give us a break!


But why, then, did not Khalid Sheikh Mohammed stand at this phase of
the terrorism trial, look the judge squarely in the eye, and say,


Your honor, I am innocent of all the charges that your
government imputes to me. I am a witness to the grandest conspiracy of
which Western man ever conceived. I did not kill three thousand people
that day. Your bosses did. Theirs is the guilt you should judge! They
have the blood on their hands! To the families of those who died, I
urge you: look to your corrupt officials who lied you into a dreadful
war, and your cowardly legislators who refuse to investigate! Blame them for your losses, not me, and not Allah, who seeks only peace!


A “Truther” says that all the time. But Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said
nothing at his terrorism trial, except his usual five-times-daily
prayers in Arabic. One of his friends held up his thumb, not to say,


Cheer up!


but instead to say,


Up yours!


Another terrorism trial co-defendant folded a page of the pleadings
into a paper airplane, an obvious symbol of the Nine-eleven airstrike.
He was saying,


Yes, I did it, and I would do it again! God is great! Take that!


Well, take this, “Truthers.” This terrorism trial has demolished your narrative. You can allege nothing further in mitigation.


CNAV urges Ron Paul, M.D., and his followers to learn
something from this terrorism trial, as they prepare what could still be
the grandest upset in the history of the American two-party system. Ron
Paul was a “Truther” once. He isn’t any longer, but he still blames US
foreign policy for the Nine-eleven Incident. He should ask himself
whether obscene gestures and paper airplanes fit his narrative any more easily than it fits a “Truther” narrative.

Read More: http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/05/07...

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/05/07 16:33:54
    No. The way they're acting proves not only their guilt but that they and only...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
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    This "Truther" thing has gone far enough. These five berserkers are gaming the system, and acting in a way that innocent men just. Would. Not. Act.

    If Nine-eleven was an inside job, how did KSM get mixed up in it? Why would anyone in the US government trust a guy who is so careless with passwords? And if he really were a "patsy," why didn't he say so, as Lee Harvey Oswald kept yelling, until Jack Ruby took the law into his own hands?

    Face it, "Truthers." Your narrative is finished. KSM just blew that one to smithereens, along with his own defense.

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  • irish 2012/05/09 13:04:19
    Yes! KSM and those guys are just play-acting, all part of the ruse.
    irish
    +1
    well lets see now! after being water boarded 183 times i think you can get someone to admit to anything you want them to!, with campaigning for the upcoming presidential elections heating up, the timing of this latest attempt at justice for 9/11 is exploitive at best.
    if ksm was responsible as the govt claims then why is it binnie denied having anything to do with it?
    Why did he inform a select group of bankers - and the CIA - of his plans?
    It's clear he did, because it's been proved that pre-9/11 insider trading on United Airlines and American Airlines options lead directly to the highest ranks of the CIA.
    Investigations proved that none of his people benefited from any of these transactions. So why did he desire to make the CIA brass rich? There was a jump in United Air Lines 90 times (not 90 percent) above normal between September 6 and September 10, and 285 times higher than average on the Thursday before the attack. There was a jump in American Airlines put options 60 times (not 60 percent) above normal on the day before the attacks. No similar trading occurred on any other airlines.
    Between September 6-10, 2001, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw suspicious trading on Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, two of the largest WTC tenants. An averag...











    well lets see now! after being water boarded 183 times i think you can get someone to admit to anything you want them to!, with campaigning for the upcoming presidential elections heating up, the timing of this latest attempt at justice for 9/11 is exploitive at best.
    if ksm was responsible as the govt claims then why is it binnie denied having anything to do with it?
    Why did he inform a select group of bankers - and the CIA - of his plans?
    It's clear he did, because it's been proved that pre-9/11 insider trading on United Airlines and American Airlines options lead directly to the highest ranks of the CIA.
    Investigations proved that none of his people benefited from any of these transactions. So why did he desire to make the CIA brass rich? There was a jump in United Air Lines 90 times (not 90 percent) above normal between September 6 and September 10, and 285 times higher than average on the Thursday before the attack. There was a jump in American Airlines put options 60 times (not 60 percent) above normal on the day before the attacks. No similar trading occurred on any other airlines.
    Between September 6-10, 2001, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw suspicious trading on Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, two of the largest WTC tenants. An average of 3,053 put options in Merrill Lynch were bought between Sept. 6-10, compared to an average of 252 in the previous week. Merrill Lynch, another WTC tenant, saw 12,215 put options bought between Sept. 7-10, when the previous days had seen averages of 212 contracts a day.
    According to Dylan Ratigan of Bloomberg News: "This would be the most extraordinary coincidence in the history of mankind if it was a coincidence. This could very well be insider trading at the worst, most horrific, most evil use you've ever seen in your entire life. It's absolutely unprecedented."

    Why was FEMA in New York the day BEFORE 9/11?
    FEMA emergency teams conveniently arrived in New York on 9/10 in preparation for an emergency "drill".

    how did he divert norad?



    and what of the 5 dancing israeli's? who were stopped with a van that tested positive for explosives.


    and on and on and on! this was a crime scene yet was not treated as one.
    (more)
  • goatman112003 2012/05/09 03:37:26
    No. The way they're acting proves not only their guilt but that they and only...
    goatman112003
    All they are doing is flipping the bird to the legal system and scoring points on the world stage. This is the result of Holder's crap about Civil trials as they were going to plead guilty and accept the judgement but now we cause a ruckus and the beat goes on.
  • txtumlinCelebratesCyberFriends 2012/05/09 02:26:34
    No. The way they're acting proves not only their guilt but that they and only...
    txtumlinCelebratesCyberFriends
    Why are some Americans STILL being Politically Correct? They will never see what that mind-set has done to our once vibrant country and citizens.

    These invaders have no intention of assimilation into our Western way of life. They refuse to learn the language, refuse to go to our schools, refuse to obey our laws but incredibly insist on instituting THEIR laws.

    They don't honor their visas, lie on applications, lie on government apps for freebies so as to not be caught and pay the penalties that an American would be charged with had they been the one that defrauded the system for their gain.

    These people are shameless and dangerous. Americans must ACT and I don't mean to flood your representatives Inbox with emails or letters. Telephone calls are only intercepted by automated machines, you're wasting your time.

    America HAS TO get on her knees and ask The Almighy Jehovah God to restore us in each of our spirits, the obedience to His commandments, service to Him, and an insatiable hunger for His Truth.

    God bless us all and the United States of America.
  • irish txtumli... 2012/05/09 13:05:56
    irish
    +1
    what utter garbage!
  • txtumli... irish 2012/05/10 06:36:47
    txtumlinCelebratesCyberFriends
    +1
    You forgot to add, "in my opinion".
  • irish txtumli... 2012/05/10 11:57:24
    irish
    i don't need to.
  • txtumli... irish 2012/05/11 01:25:11
    txtumlinCelebratesCyberFriends
    +1
    to be balanced you do.
  • irish txtumli... 2012/05/11 12:02:53
    irish
    its OBVIOUS by writing in an answer that its MY opinion! the obvious need not be stated!
  • txtumli... irish 2012/05/11 20:17:15
    txtumlinCelebratesCyberFriends
    +1
    Yes ma'am
  • Stoner 2012/05/08 21:39:10
    Undecided
    Stoner
    +3
    i am going to post this everywhere
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • Ev Rom Stoner 2012/05/09 00:59:13
    Ev Rom
    +1
    At least its honest about Bush's role as well.
  • Stoner Ev Rom 2012/05/09 01:37:14
    Stoner
    +1
    yes they are all against the common people
  • txtumli... Stoner 2012/05/09 02:12:04
    txtumlinCelebratesCyberFriends
    +1
    Hey Stoner - I just watched your link and was sooo educated about not just Obama, but all the way back to Woodrow Wilson. So much of this was revealed on the Glenn Beck show before he left FOX News.

    It's long, 1 hour, 53 minutes and 40 seconds, BUT worth EVERY second as far as information goes. I am more informed than I was before viewing it. I wish I knew how to post a video because I, too, would send this to everyone I know that has an email addy.

    The name of this full-length docu-drama is: The Obama Deception HQ Full Length Version.

    I cannot express my gratitude deep enough to you for this enlightning piece. Education is key
  • Stoner txtumli... 2012/05/09 04:48:48
    Stoner
    +1
    your welcome ...education is the key ...that is good thing to live by to
  • txtumli... Stoner 2012/05/09 05:57:47 (edited)
    txtumlinCelebratesCyberFriends
    I've sprinkled that documentary name around a little tonight and said it's on YouTube, I hope members go to it and learn some useful intel about their own government and go to their personal

    Wailing Wall

    I will.
  • Stoner txtumli... 2012/05/09 06:34:48
    Stoner
    +1
    i post it everywhere... here is another good one
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • Stoner txtumli... 2012/05/09 08:26:42
    Stoner
    another good one but its longer lol
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • William Stoner 2012/05/21 02:48:21
    William
    +1
    Nice video. Knowing the truth doesn't set you free, but it does end delusion.
  • MkB 2012/05/08 19:04:44
    Undecided
    MkB
    +2
    In world affairs, nothing is planned by accident.
  • Jeremiah 2012/05/08 18:00:11
    Undecided
    Jeremiah
    The prosecutors still have the task of proving their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, regardless of their demeanor. The fact that torture was used might complicate that task.

    That makes three men now accused of beheading Daniel Pearl. How do we know, since the man in the video was masked?

    A slight factual correction is in order. KSM gave extensive information to his interrogators until he was waterboarded, or tortured. He was waterboarded 183 times and gave up nothing but false information, all of which had to be checked out. According to people present, he did not seem very distressed by the torture, probably because he knew it would end with him still alive. The government will have to defend itself against torture charges.

    If that is the definition of a "truther," I have known a few of them. We call them conspiracy buffs, or whackos. No one with any sense claims the 9-11 attacks were an inside job. The buffs also think Katrina was staged in New Orleans, that explosives were placed on the levies. Also, the 1969 moon landing was staged on a Hollywood backlot. They keep themselves busy that way.
  • safari 2012/05/08 15:38:04 (edited)
    Undecided
    safari
    +1
    I don't personally think we will ever know the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
  • John "By God" American 2012/05/08 11:28:58
    Undecided
    John "By God" American
    +3
    The head of clandestine ops in Latin America who facilitated the torture program comes forward on 60 min. You believe what you want, I'll believe the truth...
  • D D 2012/05/08 05:06:09
    Undecided
    D D
    +3
    I was torn between undecided and no. My personal beliefs is the muslims did it and the government used it to their advantage to take away freedoms from Americans. They may have let it happen. We will never know the truth.
  • Technotrucker_exposingthetruth 2012/05/08 01:14:28
    Yes! KSM and those guys are just play-acting, all part of the ruse.
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +4
    It isn't that they didn't plan the attack. They simply would have failed. The destruction would not have been catastrophic enough for the govt to implement it's plan to subvert the Constitution with the Patriot Act and now the NDAA. So they stepped in and planted charges in the towers, to ensure that the destruction was complete and horrifying to the public eye. You are giving much to much credit to men with an average IQ of about 95.
  • Temlako... Technot... 2012/05/08 17:11:03
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    Where are the residues? People have said there were residues, but no one has ever shown that to my satisfaction.

    How did they get phony workmen in there to plant their explosives (on every floor!) without provoking a general strike of the craft unions involved in servicing those buildings?
  • Technot... Temlako... 2012/05/09 12:16:54
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +2
    Bush's brother was CEO of the Security company for the towers. All security was disabled on the weekends for 3 weeks prior to the attack. One of the night janitors was interviewed stating he saw men in space type suits throughout the building. The rubble at the base maintained a heat above 800 degrees for weeks after the collapse. This does not happen with simple jet fuel. Don't want to believe the Bush clan was involved, the Clinton's, Cheney, so be it. There is evidence all over the place.
  • DeeB Temlako... 2012/05/10 12:40:47
    DeeB
    +2
    I read that they had a bunch of arabs posing as painters that had an office for 2 or 3 weeks.
  • seadog6608PWCM 2012/05/08 00:41:33
  • TaxCodeIsLaw 2012/05/07 23:59:37
    No. The way they're acting proves not only their guilt but that they and only...
    TaxCodeIsLaw
    +2
    That truther thing never held up regardless
  • S and S 2012/05/07 23:08:51
  • Temlako... S and S 2012/05/08 00:21:23
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    Then why doesn't KSM say, "Sir, you are a hypocrite. You are acting under the direct orders of the real culprits." And what was the point of the "Up yours" gesture and the paper airplane?
  • S and S Temlako... 2012/05/08 14:48:15
  • Temlako... S and S 2012/05/08 17:12:25
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Then why didn't a certain witness, who spoke to me directly about what it was like in New York that day, hear anything other than the crashes and the rumbling of the collapses?
  • S and S Temlako... 2012/05/08 18:25:32 (edited)
  • Temlako... S and S 2012/05/08 18:53:00
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    The double earthquake-like shocks from the collapse of the Twin Towers weakened Building 7. That's why it fell.

    I have a witness who was on the ground at the time. He remembers seeing some quite gruesome litter. Like shoes with severed feet still in them. Finding a passport at the scene might look like a minor miracle, but it's still possible.

    What are you trying to say? That there were no planes?
  • S and S Temlako... 2012/05/08 19:05:31
  • DeeB Temlako... 2012/05/10 12:44:56
    DeeB
    What about all the firemen that heard all the bombs going off. Why were a lot of the witness killed?
  • Temlako... DeeB 2012/05/10 21:51:22
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    What firemen? Who heard "bombs going off"? I heard the footage from close to the tower. ("Oh, no, no, THERE IT GOES!") I didn't hear any explosions.
  • DeeB Temlako... 2012/05/11 12:10:37
    DeeB
    Well you didn't watch the right video. There is one that shows all the firemen saying it right on camera, boom, boom, boom, and then ite building comes down. And they have a video of firemen for truth of 9/11.
  • Kat ♪.BTO-t-BCRA-F~PWCM~ 2012/05/07 21:56:08
    No. The way they're acting proves not only their guilt but that they and only...
    Kat ♪.BTO-t-BCRA-F~PWCM~
    +4
    We'll never know the whole truth. That would require politicians coming clean. Not happening.

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