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Does 'Stand Your Ground' Law Need to Be Amended?

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George Zimmerman, 28, shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in a gated community on February 26. The details of the shooting are vague and more than a little suspicious, but the case was thrust into the public forum when Zimmerman called upon Florida's 2005 "Stand Your Ground" law, claiming he shot the boy in self-defense. Now the case is going before a grand jury, and Zimmerman is still a free man.

Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch volunteer, and had called the police several times over the last few months to complain about break-ins and kids playing in the street. In a police recording from the day of the shooting, Zimmerman reported a "suspicious black male" whom he was following. Police told him not to follow, to which Zimmerman replied, "These a------s always get away." A lawyer for the Martin family says there was a 16-year-old girl on the phone with Martin just before the shooting, and claims the boy expressed concern about being followed.

Jeffrey Bellin, who teaches law at Southern Methodist University, described the "Stand Your Ground" law to NPR: "As long as you are somewhere you have a lawful right to be, if someone attacks you, the words of the statute are you can meet force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe that that is necessary." What do you think about the "Stand Your Ground" law?

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  • wilsonmja 2012/03/21 00:27:54
    No
    wilsonmja
    +48
    The stand your ground law is fine. The crime stats in Florida prove that. This man's actions are not protected under the stand your ground law. He wasn't attacked.

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  • trader MO.gal 2012/03/23 04:47:06
    trader
    +2
    No it isn't and doesn't.
  • Grandpa trader 2012/03/23 18:12:17
    Grandpa
    +3
    Of course not, a man killed a black kid for no reason and went home with a pat on the back from the police. Sounds like the KKK lives on in Florida.
  • trader Grandpa 2012/03/24 03:24:38
    trader
    +1
    Nothing to do with the kkk or did you forget Zimmerman is hispanic?
  • Lucy trader 2012/03/25 00:20:15
    Lucy
    +1
    So what. That does not mean Zimmerman wasn't paranoid about black teenager.
  • trader Lucy 2012/03/25 04:00:41
    trader
    +1
    He may well have been and that isn't relevent to the discussion either just as the kkk reference isn't. The police failed to enforce the law because of incompotence. Zimmerman was beyond his rights and now a young man is dead because of it.
  • NoHandl... Lucy 2012/03/25 09:22:27
    NoHandlebarsAttached
    I get paranoid when a person in a suit and sunglasses is walking in the same direction that I'm walking for a while.
    Does that mean I could get away with murdering everyone I see wearing a suit and shades in Florida?
  • GLaDOS MO.gal 2012/03/23 12:07:26
    GLaDOS
    +1
    To what? Another "Right to Flee/Run" law that can end up with victims dead/beaten, or in prison/jail after they try to defend themselves from an attacker?
  • Frank MO.gal 2012/03/24 13:31:31
    Frank
    I believe that Zimmerman was well aware of the law before he ever approached Trayvon.
  • NoHandlebarsAttached 2012/03/23 01:28:03
    No
    NoHandlebarsAttached
    +3
    It DOES, however, need to be explained to some people.
    I guess some people think it means you can follow around a kid that looks suspicious, then shoot him to death as he's begging you not to.
  • richwright NoHandl... 2012/03/23 03:28:07
    richwright
    +3
    Maybe that needs to be splained to the racist police?
  • Charles... richwright 2012/03/23 11:25:52
    Charles Braley
    Maybe even draw some pictures, eh? 'cause sures sounds like George has a reading comprehension problem!
  • richwright Charles... 2012/03/24 03:54:53
    richwright
    Yes and this is who you want to hand out concealed weapons permits to? Okee Dokey.
  • alphe512 2012/03/23 01:25:47
    No
    alphe512
    +3
    It needs to be repealed!
  • Opinion... alphe512 2012/03/25 23:31:11
    Opinions4Free
    It sounds good to me:
    776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
    (1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
    (a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
    (b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
    (2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
    (a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
    (b) The person or persons soug...







    It sounds good to me:
    776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
    (1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
    (a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
    (b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
    (2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
    (a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
    (b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
    (c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
    (d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
    (3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
    (4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
    (5) As used in this section, the term:
    (a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
    (b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
    (c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
    (more)
  • Opinions4Free 2012/03/23 01:10:50
    No
    Opinions4Free
    +2
    Nothing wrong with the law. Not sure it applies to this case though.
  • Grandpa Opinion... 2012/03/23 18:14:24
    Grandpa
    WHAT? It 100% applies to this case. The kid is dead, the shooter went home for NOT BREAKING ANY LAW! Why, because it is his right to kill when he is afraid. I am afraid of people like you.
  • Lucy Grandpa 2012/03/25 00:21:49
    Lucy
    Are you serious? A man was told not to get out of his car and let the police handle it, followed the boy and he was afraid of a boy without a weapon? I could say I was afraid every day and would that give me the right to shoot people? No.
  • Opinion... Grandpa 2012/03/25 13:21:59
    Opinions4Free
    You aren't making any sense. You think the 'Stand Your Ground' law, 100% applies to this case? How so?
  • fredrik19 2012/03/23 01:09:52
    No
    fredrik19
    +2
    that racist baster need to be send to jail for life u don t kill a kid like that for skittle and a can of soda
  • richwright fredrik19 2012/03/23 03:28:46
    richwright
    +1
    only in America!
  • fredrik19 richwright 2012/03/24 00:23:00
    fredrik19
    true
  • Lucy fredrik19 2012/03/23 03:46:57
    Lucy
    +1
    And once he learned the boy was not a threat and unarmed, he should be begging forgiveness for taking someone's life away.
  • Grandpa fredrik19 2012/03/23 18:14:56
    Grandpa
    Then, why did you vote no?
  • JustTheFacts 2012/03/23 01:05:39
    No
    JustTheFacts
    +4
    The 911 tape clearly reveals that he was told to not chase the suspect. That is not a fault of law.
  • Grandpa JustThe... 2012/03/23 18:18:03
    Grandpa
    Then there is no need for such a law is there? If someone attacks you, you have the right to defend yourself. This law says its ok to shoot someone dead if you felt threatened with possible death to yourself. So all I have to do is shoot you and say the cell phone was waved in a dangerous manner, looked like a gun in the dark so I blew your brains out. Cops come pat me on the back, take your body to the grave. Sounds like a great law to me. WHAT NONSENSE!
  • JustThe... Grandpa 2012/03/24 11:45:08
    JustTheFacts
    No, because the law was not followed properly does not need there is not a need for it.
  • findthelight2000 2012/03/22 23:47:39 (edited)
    Yes
    findthelight2000
    +6
    Doesn't the US Constitution guarantee that a person is innocent until proven guilty? Yet this law allows common people (some racist, religious extremist, and/or not stable), to be judge, jury, and executioner.



    It is a very bad, unconstitutional, and irresponsible, dangerous, highly expensive law that means nothing but trouble for everyone that lives in a "Stand Your Ground" State, including the victim, killer, police department, local and State politicians, and the State's "Stand Your Ground" law itself. Is it any wonder that the ones who lobbied for it were the NRA?
  • Opinion... findthe... 2012/03/23 01:16:08
    Opinions4Free
    +2
    Why is it "very bad" for people to defend themselves? If your life was threatened would you;
    a. Let yourself be killed
    b. Protect yourself, and in doing so, possibly kill your assailant knowing you'll be tried for murder
    Please explain.
  • findthe... Opinion... 2012/03/23 01:19:05
    findthelight2000
    +2
    It is very bad because..., as you see, it leads to the killing of innocents. Do you really believe that it is right for someone, anyone (even a Liberal, ooooh!) to serve as judge, jury, and executioner and to kill you without a trial?
  • Opinion... findthe... 2012/03/23 01:21:15 (edited)
    Opinions4Free
    +1
    Yes, I do. If I was unjustly trying to kill you, then you have every right to blow me away.

    And you didn't answer my question.
  • findthe... Opinion... 2012/03/23 01:31:42
    findthelight2000
    +1
    Yes, I did answer your question, I can't help it if it is one that is so logical, with so much concrete proof that you have no defense against it!
  • Opinion... findthe... 2012/03/25 13:24:50 (edited)
    Opinions4Free
    I asked you two questions. And there is no concrete proof that this law lead to the killing of innocents. If I go and shoot a person today and say, "Satan made me do it." Is that solid proof that Satan is the one to blame?
  • findthe... Opinion... 2012/03/25 19:04:48
    findthelight2000
    Whether there is proof or not, it is still an unconstitutional, barbaric law that is heading this country into deep trouble. It must be abolished!
  • Opinion... findthe... 2012/03/25 23:27:47
    Opinions4Free
    OK. You still didn't answer my question, so I'll ask it again.
    If your life was threatened would you;
    a. Let yourself be killed
    b. Protect yourself, and in doing so, possibly kill your assailant (knowing you'll be tried for murder if you had your way)
  • findthe... Opinion... 2012/03/26 00:41:18
    findthelight2000
    I would let them have what they wanted, and let them go, or I would defend myself, but I would not do it in a manner in which I would have an intent to kill. That is the difference here. Most of you defending the law are mentioning a few known cases where victims injured their attackers or home invaders were sued and had to pay for the injuries they inflicted upon their attackers. Then you claim that that is why you would shoot to kill. WHAT??? That is no reason to kill! If that is how you feel, then you are too unstable to be given permission to ever own a gun! You are nothing but barbarians.
  • Opinion... findthe... 2012/03/26 15:08:55
    Opinions4Free
    That's not why I would kill a person. However, if someone broke into my home, I would reluctantly kill them. I would end their life, because I could not and would not take the chance that they would harm my family in any way. You may have never come face to face with an assailant, so I'll tell you it is IMPOSSIBLE to know what they intend or what they really want. All they want, may be your watch, however they may intend on killing you whether or not you willingly give it to them.
  • findthe... Opinion... 2012/03/26 19:42:24
    findthelight2000
    "I would end their life, because I could not and would not take the chance that they would harm my family in any way."

    Precisely why you are too unstable to own a gun.
  • Opinion... findthe... 2012/03/26 20:04:59
    Opinions4Free
    Honestly. You think that defending my family is insane?
  • findthe... Opinion... 2012/03/26 20:08:04 (edited)
    findthelight2000
    No, but if your idea of defending your family is to shoot to kill first and ask questions later, I am saying you are not mentally stable enough to be allowed to own a gun.
  • Opinion... findthe... 2012/03/26 20:29:20
    Opinions4Free
    Please explain to me why NOT killing the intruder makes a lick of sense.

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