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CAPISCE 2013/01/29 14:08:05
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  • princess 2013/02/02 12:22:22
    No
    princess
  • Greg Saunders 2013/02/01 06:45:22
    No
    Greg Saunders
    But neither does Capitalism.
  • ⚥Κόζμω ... Greg Sa... 2013/02/12 21:37:19 (edited)
    ⚥Κόζμω Græme اليا Mongrain
    "The problem with Capitalism is the capitalists, they're too greedy"
    – Herbert Hoover
    "The socialists love the poor so much that they strive to make more and more of them" – French proverb

    Actually, it's CORPORATISM (economic fascism) on the Capital end and COMMUNISM (material impoverishment) on the Goods end that are eroding the Middle Class from both directions by incessant DIVISIVE COMBAT rather than by UNIFYING CO·OPERATION.

    The Left-Right is only one AXIS, what's being ignored is the Individual-Collective one which is drifting towards Totalitarianism.
    nolan chart
  • jj.hantsch 2013/01/31 18:43:11
    No
    jj.hantsch
    It's failing pretty badly under Barack Obama
  • Kaleokualoha 2013/01/31 03:35:17
    No
    Kaleokualoha
    +1
    Collective ownership of the means of production and distribution is a recipe for disaster, because people need material incentive for maximum participation in any economy. A mixed economy provides a combination of public and private ownership, and maximizes productivity.
  • ⚥Κόζμω ... Kaleoku... 2013/02/12 21:42:21
    ⚥Κόζμω Græme اليا Mongrain
    The term THIRD WAY refers to various political positions which try to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of right-wing economic and left-wing social policies.

    Third Way was created as a serious re-evaluation of political policies within various center-left progressive movements in response to international doubt regarding the economic viability of the state; economic interventionist policies that had previously been popularized by Keynesianism and contrasted with the corresponding rise of popularity for neoliberalism and the New Right.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  • Big Mike 2013/01/30 23:11:47
    yes
    Big Mike
    +1
    Believe it or not, but we have been a pseudo socialist government ever since the Great Depression back in the 30's.
  • TombstoneJim 2013/01/30 19:57:54
    No
    TombstoneJim
    It's the effort and work of indivuals that make a difference, not the Beehive mentality of the left, where a Queen (Hillary?) sits on a throne and dictates the conduct of the rest...
  • Cal 2013/01/30 13:59:16
    No
    Cal
    +1
    Hasn't in the past....isn't working so well today in it's lighter form either.
  • gary 2013/01/30 10:50:57
  • guitar kid 2013/01/30 04:31:26
    No
    guitar kid
    +1
    Socialism is the perfect form of government for the perfect society. Since America is clearly not the latter (or former, but that's irrelevant for now), it can't work
  • CAPISCE guitar kid 2013/01/30 14:03:19
    CAPISCE
    There never has been nor never will be a perfect society
  • ⚥Κόζμω ... CAPISCE 2013/02/12 21:47:04
    ⚥Κόζμω Græme اليا Mongrain
    UTOPIA is much like the Speed of Light or Absolute Zero, impossible to achieve but, if not pursued, results in DYSTOPIAs as mentioned by Orwell, Huxley, Bradbury et alia.
  • Lerro DeHazel 2013/01/30 01:58:47
    yes
    Lerro DeHazel
    Yeah, but you have to be powerful and do stupid-stuff such as Beer Meetings in the Rose Garden & Solyndra Solar Panel Manufacturing . . . .
  • JwonGalt 2013/01/30 00:38:33 (edited)
    yes
    JwonGalt
    +1
    FULL socialism (pretty much on the verge of Communism) Does not work.


    But a combination of socialism and capitalism (much like what we've had in the United States for Decades, and like Fascism that was in Nazi Germany), actually work. Economically speaking, It has been proven to work actually. Other wise, America would not exist.

    Edit: The Social/Capitalist combo is capable of working. But does not mean it necessarily will. It always depends on the nation in and of itself.
  • allanbard 2013/01/30 00:24:07
    No
    allanbard
    Well, there should be another answer to this question, undecided I guess... As capitalism, socialism, communism, etc are words that provoked some of the fiercest battles in our history, more than anything else. There are many thick books written on the subject, so I guess I couldn’t add something new about the philosophy, good and bad sides of any of these real or imaginary societies. Yet, as a man who lived at both systems, I could remind and point out some important facts, to which usually many people don’t pay attention (probably just because they are too blinded by their own believes).
    First, no one should think there wouldn’t be exploitation in the so called socialism. Working for all the society could be even more unfair and dreadful than working for one chief. As no matter how hard and well you work, finally you won’t get the salary or money you worked for, but those the system will give you. Of course, this has some advantages – many of the money you worked for will be used for health care, life-saving operations, education, etc. So, when you need to go to a hospital, to heal a sickness (that can cost thousands/millions of dollars), or want to study many years to become a good professional in prestigious professions like a doctor, lawyer, successful scientist, etc, you...



    Well, there should be another answer to this question, undecided I guess... As capitalism, socialism, communism, etc are words that provoked some of the fiercest battles in our history, more than anything else. There are many thick books written on the subject, so I guess I couldn’t add something new about the philosophy, good and bad sides of any of these real or imaginary societies. Yet, as a man who lived at both systems, I could remind and point out some important facts, to which usually many people don’t pay attention (probably just because they are too blinded by their own believes).
    First, no one should think there wouldn’t be exploitation in the so called socialism. Working for all the society could be even more unfair and dreadful than working for one chief. As no matter how hard and well you work, finally you won’t get the salary or money you worked for, but those the system will give you. Of course, this has some advantages – many of the money you worked for will be used for health care, life-saving operations, education, etc. So, when you need to go to a hospital, to heal a sickness (that can cost thousands/millions of dollars), or want to study many years to become a good professional in prestigious professions like a doctor, lawyer, successful scientist, etc, you don’t have to pay anything. Yet, later, working at some of these prestigious posts, again you won’t get all of the payment you worked for… It turned out that nothing was free even in the “perfect” socialistic societies.
    There is something else very important we should never forget about the communism/socialism. When all the means of production, factories, schools, institutions, etc become common, that means the end of any development. Actually, then nothing belongs to anyone and no one take care of anything. That finally leads to degradation and the end of the system, which we saw in all of the so called socialistic societies. Here, in Bulgaria there was a period (short one, indeed, right after the collapse of the “socialistic” system) when we had to wake up at 3,30 – 4 a.m. just to stand in a long line to buy milk and bread… Otherwise, we had to starve as later we would find only the vacant/empty shelves in the shops. Sounds awful, right? That’s just one of the bad sides of the “real” socialism, probably in such a society it’s impossible to achieve a good balance between production and needs when the system’s rules have to be obeyed 100% (to buy a car, we had to wait for our turn about 10-15 years; there were so small number of kinds of goods in the shops that when we saw a picture of the full shelves in the capitalistic countries we felt as if we were seeing heaven (just for example, we could buy bananas once or twice a year, standing in long lines again…); to buy a colorful TV set, we had to wait in long lines for weeks, even at night as someone could take our place, and all families took turn to wait outside of the shops even in winter time… There are even worse examples in some other “socialistic” countries, in North Korea as far as I remember people were forbidden to own their own cars…
    Pointing out all these horrible things about the ex-socialistic societies, I don’t want to claim that everything in capitalism is perfect and have to be praised all day long. One of the most dreadful events in anyone’s life could be loosing a job, which couldn’t happen in socialistic systems as there’s no unemployment. For many people. loosing their job could be equal to suicide, and many put an end to their life if they couldn’t find a good way to earn their living. It happened even here in Bulgaria, during the first years of the capitalistic/ex-socialistic system. Yet, according to some good friends of mine the worst thing about capitalism is Imperialism. The way some developed countries want to rule the world, leading wars in some problematic places, provoked much anger and finally lead to many killings of innocent people. Then, some other friends of mine would point out when the matter at hand is killing of innocent citizens, the ex-communistic/socialistic societies are unsurpassable. The Russian ex-dictator Stalin for example killed more people in the “peaceful” times of “socialism” in the ex USSR than World War II managed to wipe off the face of the Earth. They would also say that there are stupid decisions in both systems (remember what happened in the atomic power station in Chernobyl, or the first testing of the dangerous chemical DDT in USA when people were sprayed with it…), but nothing could be compared with the funny-foolish slogans we could see in the times of the so called communism/socialism: Now, we laugh out loud when we remember them, but in the past they were everywhere and if someone didn’t obey them, or thought they were funny, he/she could end up in jail: In every home - a cow!, Every jar with conserved fruits equals to a punch in the face of the Imperialism, etc.
    Well, finally I’d like to point out that the causes of many problems in any of the people’s societies are governments and other institutions’ greediness and selfishness. Neither in capitalism, nor in socialism/communism is underlined that people should be killed or punished because of their believes or thoughts, it’s what the men in power decided to do to keep the people in fear and to become richer and more powerful… If we want better societies, first we must change our consciousness, values, kindness towards others, etc. “All the problems in the world lead to one – narrow-minded people,” and “When books become more valuable than gold, money and power for the greedy governments and men in power, then we’ll experience heaven on Earth,” that’s what some of my characters say and I guess all our history is certain prove of that…
    Sorry for the long explanations, but I thought I had to include my post from my blogs as it is about the same theme, and as a man who lived in both social systems, I could add some experience, which others don't have...
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  • olylift 2013/01/30 00:23:12
    yes
    olylift
    +2
    Hear me out. Socialism only works if you have the money to back it up. If a country was purely socialist, they would have no problem. But when you try to mix socialism and capitalism, you get a rising debt without any tax revenue to pay for it; much like the problem we see today.
  • Gregaj7 2013/01/30 00:11:56
    No
    Gregaj7
    +1
    Only for the folk at the top.
  • Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO 2013/01/29 23:25:26
    yes
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    +3
    to a certain degree it does. Just like capitalism works to a certain degree.
  • matthew.e.simpson.3 2013/01/29 23:16:44
    yes
    matthew.e.simpson.3
    and obama is far from one
  • Razoreye001 2013/01/29 22:36:43
    No
    Razoreye001
    +3
    Neither does absolute capitalism, I would like a Social Democracy.
  • ⚥Κόζμω ... Razorey... 2013/02/12 21:47:39
  • Razorey... ⚥Κόζμω ... 2013/02/12 22:14:46 (edited)
    Razoreye001
    +1
    That is a pretty accurate description of my political position. Eduard Bernstein would definitely say that was what he proposed although he never used that language. He said that from an evolutionary prospective absolute socialism would fail but, the arguments for socialism as described by Marx are valid criticisms of Capitalism and the ultimate solution is a compromise between those systems and making capitalism as equal and fair as possible.
  • Pyro-82 2013/01/29 22:27:43
    No
    Pyro-82
    +2
    Germany(yes, modern day Germany) and some of the others over seas have been trying it, hasn't seemed to be working out about now. But hell, I havn't been out there for a good 18 years or so; so maybe it is working better than I would think.
  • CocaColaCandy 2013/01/29 22:17:09 (edited)
    No
    CocaColaCandy
    +4
    Neither pure socialism nor pure capitalism work well at all. They work together well, however. A capitalist society blended with some socialist programs or features is what we have in the US and probably the ideal. The question is, how much or how little is best?
  • ⚥Κόζμω ... CocaCol... 2013/02/13 07:04:30
    ⚥Κόζμω Græme اليا Mongrain
    Have to say the proportion should vary somewhat as conditions permit, I'm intentionally leaving that up to interpretation. The only constant in this universe being change, being a DYNAMIC system until it either runs out of energy (Entropy) or is collapsed by means (yet) unknown but that's my personal heresy with Astrophysics.

    I'm digressing, the problem now, is that both ends of the socioeconomic totem pole are draining those in the middle and that's making things unstable, you need a robust middle to moderate the extremes. Again, leaving it up to the reader to figure out the ratios, curves & scales, knowing some Calculus MAY help. Can't help but to be an Oracle on this.
  • Alacrity 2013/01/29 21:07:55
    No
    Alacrity
    +1
    What about socialistic? There are at least 360 degrees to this matter, ya'know.
  • Karlheinz 2013/01/29 20:55:18
  • mich52 2013/01/29 20:44:58
  • CAPISCE mich52 2013/01/29 22:36:51
    CAPISCE
    In no time at all you will be able to add Obamacare to that list
  • mich52 CAPISCE 2013/01/30 01:13:35
  • Ron Hanforth 2013/01/29 20:27:48
  • matthew... Ron Han... 2013/01/29 23:30:48
    matthew.e.simpson.3
    +1
    you are aware of Hong Kong being under china, a Communist state.
  • kashmir... matthew... 2013/01/30 01:37:45
  • Ron Han... matthew... 2013/01/30 14:43:34
    Ron Hanforth
    Hong Kong although under Chinese rule since 1997, became the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (SAR) of the People's Republic of China on 1 July 1997. In this agreement, China promised that, under its "one country, two systems" formula, China's socialist economic system would not be imposed on Hong Kong and that Hong Kong would enjoy a high degree of autonomy. The reason for the two system allowance is simple, MONEY thanks to capitalism. To this very day, it is capitalism that drives billions of dollars into Hong Kong.
  • plowboy 2013/01/29 20:26:34 (edited)
  • ⚥Κόζμω ... plowboy 2013/02/12 21:56:01
    ⚥Κόζμω Græme اليا Mongrain
    Eloquent, but it's actually Corporatism (like communism, an aristocratic collective) exercising Economic Fascism (q.v.) that's one half of the problem.
    Like guns, money can't do anything by itself, needs [a] Mind[s) to cultivate it.
    Question is, are the "Minds that Control", in control?
  • robert 2013/01/29 20:12:36
    No
    robert
    +1
    No...and obama is the latest to prove that fact!!!
  • SicFux651 2013/01/29 20:08:35
    yes
    SicFux651
    +1
    It works where its accepted.
  • Richie Rich 2013/01/29 19:47:39
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