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Does Mitt Romney care more about people or profits?

Mopeder 2012/05/22 01:13:15
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  • Dave 007 2012/05/27 11:42:44
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    Dave 007
    Hey Mopeder, how about a question, "Does obama care about himself or care about himself"?
  • arkiii 2012/05/26 22:00:22
    people
    arkiii
    Stupid question and obviously very biased. How about this one....

    What does Obama care more about Unemployment or Raising Taxes???
  • jcadla 2012/05/23 05:32:39
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    jcadla
    Mitt Romney has never cared much about people, as Bain Capital proved. Bain (Mitt's company and ex-company) made 100 million dollars on one company, Ampad, which went BK and a couple of hundred people lost their jobs. But that could be a plus for him as president. Even with a Nation, making money is a large part of being successful. And he definitely knows how to make money. As president, he won't have an incentive to make money for himself, only the Nation as a whole.
  • bob h. 2012/05/23 01:13:45
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    bob h.
    Romney's stand on student loans: shop around.
  • Louis Shipman 2012/05/22 23:53:55
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    Louis Shipman
    Many of the people who are critizing Romney and Bain capitol don't seem to understand how privite equality companies work. Thier job is to maximze profits for thier investors. And who are those investors many are pension funds even union pension funds if you are in a 401k you are invested in privite equality. So if you have plans to retire someday on a pension these firms are important to the growth of your pension plan.
  • jcadla Louis S... 2012/05/23 05:37:01
    jcadla
    Bain was a private equity company but it was a vulture with Ampad. It took a perfectly good company, bought it and overextended it so it was forced to go out of business...and Bain made 100 million bucks from it. Romney could care less about people as a whole. He is an elitist but so was FDR.
  • Louis S... jcadla 2012/05/23 23:15:19
    Louis Shipman
    Ampad did not go out of bussiness it was sold.
  • Teddy Louis S... 2012/05/23 21:41:44
    Teddy
    And that is who devalued mine in 2008.
  • painted desert 2012/05/22 19:50:41
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    painted desert
    +1
    Money is everything, and Everything is money.
  • Claybern 2012/05/22 19:05:05
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    Claybern
    And profits. Both.
  • GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT 2012/05/22 16:39:58
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    GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT
    +2
    He proved that with the companies Bain Capital took over, plundered their pensions & used them to borrow money; leaving the companies saddled with more debt while him & his investors made out like fat cats.
  • jcadla GuruA2J... 2012/05/23 05:38:10
    jcadla
    True...but he will still be perfect compared to Obama, the child.
  • GuruA2J... jcadla 2012/05/23 21:34:11
    GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT
    I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to make a fool of yourself!
  • none 2012/05/22 16:20:16
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    none
    +1
    More than I can say for Obama who only cares about himself.
  • STEVE 2012/05/22 16:13:51
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    STEVE
    +1
    #1 DOES IT MATTER???? THE QUESTION IS COMPETENCY AND THE ABILITY TO GET THE AMERICAN ECONOMY ROARING AGAIN. #2 HE HAS GIVEN ON AVERAGE 20% OF HIS INCOME TO CHARITY, INCLUDING A-L-L OF HIS FATHERS ESTATE...AGAIN A-L-L OF IT #3- WHILE FRIEND OBAMA SPENT HIS EARLY 20'S IN AN ADMITTED DRUG HAZE, ROMNEY WAS DOING MISSION WORK FOR 2 YEARS. #4- WHEN THE DAUGHTER OF ONE OF THE GUYS AT BAIN CAPITAL WAS MISSING, HE CLOSED THE OFFICE AND OPENED HIS BILLFOLD AND SENT EVERYONE OUT TO ULTIMATELY FIND HER. #5- THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FEW COMPANIES THAT WERE FAILING AND BAIN TRIED TO SAVE ARE THE TEN'S OF THOUSANDS OF FOLKS WHO HAVE JOBS TODAY BECAUSE OF HIS WORK AT BAIN. #6-OBAMA SHOWS HOW MUCH HE CARES BY...FOOD STAMPS?
  • jcadla STEVE 2012/05/23 05:39:07
    jcadla
    He is a good Mormon...
  • STEVE jcadla 2012/05/23 17:53:43
    STEVE
    YEP, AND ALTHOUGH I AM NOT A MORMON NOR DO I BUY THEIR STORY, I APPRECIATE PRINCIPLED PEOPLE WHO LIVE THEIR RELIGION
  • olylift 2012/05/22 16:05:56
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    olylift
    He's a businessman. I would hope so!
  • painted... olylift 2012/05/22 19:53:21
    painted desert
    We don't need a CEO running this country.
  • STEVE painted... 2012/05/22 20:44:13
    STEVE
    NO WHAT WE NEED IS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER...IN CHICAGO THEY ARE KNOWN AS SHAKE DOWN ARTIST, AND AS I UNDERSTAND OBAMA WAS ONE OF THE BEST. SHAKEDOWN
  • jcadla painted... 2012/05/23 05:40:23
    jcadla
    Actually, we do need a good CEO running this country...We needed Newt Gingrich...
  • STEVE jcadla 2012/05/23 17:55:36
    STEVE
    WE AGREE, I LOVE NEWT, BUT HIS WORST ENEMY IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN ...HIM
  • painted... jcadla 2012/05/23 19:38:57
    painted desert
    LOL! OMG, that is almost as bad as Romney. So we need someone who's so called friends didn't even step up for him.

    A consulting company founded by Newt Gingrich filed for bankruptcy on Thursday.
    The company, the Center for Health Transformation, charged up to $200,000 annually to big drug makers, insurance companies and hospitals for Mr. Gingrich’s advice, including what he had to say about working the corridors of Washington power, although Mr. Gingrich has insisted he was not a lobbyist.
  • olylift painted... 2012/05/23 06:51:48
    olylift
    So you want an inexperienced community organizer instead?
  • painted... olylift 2012/05/23 19:39:34
    painted desert
    No, I want President Obama.
  • olylift painted... 2012/05/23 19:43:34
    olylift
    An inexperienced community organizer. I hope Obama wins so he can drive this country economically into the ground. That's why I'm voting for him!
  • painted... olylift 2012/05/23 19:48:09
    painted desert
    Vote for whom ever you like. As will I.
  • olylift painted... 2012/05/23 19:57:09
    olylift
    Fantastic! Our votes will ensure this country meets its doom.
  • Teddy olylift 2012/05/23 21:44:12
    Teddy
    Yes.
  • The Gipper~PWCM~JLA 2012/05/22 15:27:22
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    The Gipper~PWCM~JLA
    Does obama care more about ruining our economy or prophets?
  • GuruA2J... The Gip... 2012/05/22 16:41:26
    GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT
    +1
    You do know the difference between a "prophet" & "profit" I hope.
  • The Gip... GuruA2J... 2012/05/22 18:08:18
    The Gipper~PWCM~JLA
    A little homophonic/religious play on words... In short, yes.
  • Jean 2012/05/22 14:05:01
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    Jean
    When you care about people, you care about the profitability of the company for which they work or in which they are invested. You care that the employees of a company are giving 100% and serving the customer base rather than playing Solitaire on the computer and working at half-capacity or in a field that is outside his or her skill set. You care that people have a sense of purpose, responsbility and stewardship and when they don't, you release them so that they can find another position that is better suited to them. Good people generate profits; people who don't fit a particular company's culture or who don't share that company's vision don't.
  • tootsieboy 2012/05/22 13:35:09
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    tootsieboy
    +2
    He is a business man and the bottom line is the all mighty answer.
  • gr8punkin 2012/05/22 13:26:18
    people
    gr8punkin
    +1
    I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive.
  • toots gr8punkin 2012/05/22 13:40:28
    toots
    +2
    Romney saved three other companies when STI went bankrupt. He was not there when this happened. He was making the Olympics profitable for Americans. Obama and company are using their lies to try to keep a good man from being President. Read: Dreams From My Father and see what he is. A Socialist, definitely. and more.
  • GuruA2J... toots 2012/05/22 16:44:21
    GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT
    Back to school, toots! Just as Chicken Little started a "sky is falling" hysteria based on a falling acorn, so too are various critics pushing a "socialist" or "Marxist" Obama hysteria based on Obama's economic policies. Not only do they conveniently forget that the 2008 bailout was initiated by the Bush administration, but they also seem to have forgotten some basics from Econ 101. They could easily avoid such non sequitur nonsense by following the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.

    According to dictionary.com, socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. In Marxist theory, it is the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

    Please note that it is the stage FOLLOWING capitalism. Capitalism has many forms in a mixed economy, with public (collective) ownership of various enterprises based upon economic conditions. Limited public ownership does not comprise Marxist socialism, which requires complete public ownership. When controlled by a police state, however, limited public ownership may become fascism (...















    Back to school, toots! Just as Chicken Little started a "sky is falling" hysteria based on a falling acorn, so too are various critics pushing a "socialist" or "Marxist" Obama hysteria based on Obama's economic policies. Not only do they conveniently forget that the 2008 bailout was initiated by the Bush administration, but they also seem to have forgotten some basics from Econ 101. They could easily avoid such non sequitur nonsense by following the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.

    According to dictionary.com, socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. In Marxist theory, it is the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

    Please note that it is the stage FOLLOWING capitalism. Capitalism has many forms in a mixed economy, with public (collective) ownership of various enterprises based upon economic conditions. Limited public ownership does not comprise Marxist socialism, which requires complete public ownership. When controlled by a police state, however, limited public ownership may become fascism ("national socialism"), Marxist socialism, or even "perfect implementation of collectivist principles." Limited public ownership occurs at virtually every point on the mixed economy spectrum.

    Every advocate of greater government economic control might be called a "socialist," but none are true socialists unless they advocate the complete elimination of private enterprise, which requires the complete replacement of capitalism with collectivism. True (laissez-faire) capitalism means zero government control of private enterprise, which is economic anarchy. Neither of these extremes works in the long run. Every successful economy is a mixed economy, existing somewhere on a spectrum between both extremes. Every successful economy is part capitalist and part socialist. They all contain a mix of private and public ownership, and they all have some government control of private enterprise. The only relevant question is "WHERE on this spectrum can we achieve the greatest success?" The rise of Asian economies, with their varying degrees of centralized planning, proves that economic planning helps economic development.

    Both laissez faire capitalism and true communism are artificial constructs, as impossible to sustain as cold fusion. Every successful society requires private enterprise regulated by public policy, regardless of Ayn Rand's fantasies. Extremists on either fringe are equally delusional. In some ways regulation is a necessary evil like body fat: too much or too little are both lethal. The normal tendency is to add layers with age. The challenge is to find the level that will produce the optimum outcome, all things considered.

    Unless someone advocates the complete replacement of capitalism with collectivism, they do not truly advocate socialism or communism. To accuse them of either, when they have not explicitly advocated as much themselves, suggests either unfamiliarity with mixed economies or intellectual dishonesty. Even George W. Bush and John McCain were accused of advocating socialism based upon their support of 2008 bailout legislation.

    The bottom line is simple. If you consider any variation of a mixed economy, including ANY public ownership or regulation of industry to be "socialism," then the United States and ALL other economies are "socialist." The debate is over, because by that definition we have been "socialist" since the 18th century. If you only consider complete collectivism to be "socialism," according to Marxist theory, then no successful economy is actually "socialist." The closest to a Marxist socialist economy is the economic basket case, North Korea. If you consider socialism to occur at some other point on the spectrum between unregulated capitalism and Marxist socialism, then any such point would be arbitrary.

    To accuse a mixed economy advocate of being a socialist or communist suggests that you believe that ANY degree of government regulation qualifies as "socialism," or that you believe that any regulation beyond an indefinite "trigger point" qualifies as "socialism,", and that YOU get to set the trigger point. The "trigger point" explanation reminds me of the egocentric explorer who says that anyone who explores farther into dangerous territory is a fool, but anyone who doesn’t explore as far as he does is a coward. His arrogance presumes that his own boundaries are common standards.

    Marxist "socialism," in contrast to European "democratic socialism," requires collective ownership of the means of production in lieu of capitalism. That is the death of private enterprise. We may or may not be on a path to collectivism, just as a dating couple may or may not be on a path to pregnancy. Traveling on a path in any direction does not imply any specific goal. For example, traveling on Interstate 10 does not imply that either coast is the goal.

    "Direction" is one thing. "Goal" is another. All mixed economies exist at some point in the spectrum between the fatal terminuses of unregulated capitalism and true socialism. In most Marxist states, however, capitalism reappeared as people recognized the lethal consequences of such extremes. Russia, China and other communist nations now recognize the virtue of mixed economies. They learned the hard way.

    I await empirical evidence, instead of specious speculation, that Obama wants to eliminate capitalism by moving to that extreme. To say Obama advocates the goal of socialism, based upon his movement on the spectrum instead of being based on his explicit advocacy, is to create a straw man. It is intellectually dishonest and unworthy of serious debate.
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  • LOU 2012/05/22 13:01:56
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    LOU
    +3
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...
  • lstl5 2012/05/22 12:02:29
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    lstl5
    +3
    Definitely profits. I understand businesses fail, and people have to get laid off sometimes, but how does Bain Capital get to come in, take over, and walk away with millions when the business is supposedly broke. Can someone explain that to me?
  • GuruA2J... lstl5 2012/05/22 16:46:17
    GuruA2J~#IOKIYAR~612 BLOCKT
    They sucked the life blood out of the companies, making sure they extracted their exhorbitant "management" fees before anything else was done.

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