Does Mitt Romney Care anything about Social Conservatives?

And exactly what is a President to do about abortion exactly? All he or she can do is put justices on the bench that would overturn Roe. We may already have that situation in hand, or maybe not. Depends on what mood Roberts is in. Bottom line is that thats the scope of Presidential influence on the subject. Beyond that you need individual states to put forth laws that would get challenged up to that point or citizens to sue over the issue. I don't know about you, but I'm fairly confident Obama would stock the court with 100% pro-choice justices. Romney? Even if you don't trust him, the odds are better that he'd put a better justice in. Other than that, not much he can do.

Marriage is a state issue. There is no Consitutional definition of marriage so if states want to define it as man/woman or two people thats up to the states. The only thing that can change that is a Constitutional Amendment which Bush tried to push during his Admin and it got nowhere. Its not going to go too far today either. Which, btw, Mitt supports a man/woman Constitutional Amendment. You're going to waste time whining because he didn't throw in on the fried chicken debate? Come on.

While I'm sympathetic on Abortion, its a disgusting institution and inhuman, I can't get to worked up over a few states legalizing gay marriage. It has zero effect on me or you. Abortion kills, gay marriage does nothing.

I'm pretty sure the economy is issue number one on the docket and issue number two is a strong and sensible foreign policy. Abortion may be three but gay marriage is down the totem.

You do realize that DOMA was designed to give states the freedom to define marriage. What it essentially did was state that a state that does not want to recognize marriages of homosexuals doesn't have to recognize marriages of homosexuals who were married in other states. Therefore allowing states the freedom to make their own definitions.

As for social issues not effecting financial issues, that is blatantly wrong. One who is willing to compromise their moral social values is just as quite likely to compromise their moral financial values.

As for the state not undermining God this is also wrong. This would suggest it is not wrong. Anything that is wrong undermines God. As for God handling it in the afterlife: while this is true the tone in which you say it suggests that God does not involve himself in the affairs with humans now. This is blatantly untrue. God is a personal God and he involves himself in our lives.

"no man is better than any other" this is the popular argument that really means: I am going to do as I want no matter whether it is wrong or not. Every man sins, yes. This does not mean there are no consequences to those sins. We are definitely all equal under the eyes of God and all sins are plain and simple a sin. But if sins didn't have different consequences, God would not have given the Israelites a code that had a different consequence for each sin. Each sin effects society at a different level and therefore have different level of worldly consequences. A society that refuses to recognize this will eventually be judged by God and wiped out for they will fall into a depraved mentally. Kind of like we are today.

Considering we already have the Tenth Amendment which reserves the right for each individual state to handle issues not clearly defined in the Constitution that makes this piece of legislation unneeded/redundant. It exists purely to pay lip service to the Constitutionally uneducated who want to make this issue the top priority.

If you look at the specific language of the law the third section that attempts a "national" definition of marriage is unConstitutional as it seeks to define something that is the states authority. Basically the 3rd Section usurps states rights under the 10th Amendment. In that respect, DOMA was a cowards way to try and define marriage without properly Amending the Constitution.

Giving me a vague quotation isn't a rational quantifiable argument for how gay marriage is, in and of itself, ruining a states economy. As a rational conservative I want facts and figures and an argument.

God is a personal God, but He's also no longer the punitive God of the Old Testament guiding one specific nation through the world. He's the God of the New Covenant. A God that sent his son to die for each and every person whos willing to believe in that sacrifice. A God who as the Son spent time with the lowest and the sinful among the Earth including a prostitute. He's a God that told us not to judge, that that is His job. Our job on Earth is simply to try and spread the word so that more people can be saved. He's a Lord that told us to give to Caesar what is Caesars.

Christ told us to go out into the world and spread His good message. He didn't tell us to go be judgemental of everyone we disagree with or hate or who won't listen to us. God can handle true Christian marriage in the afterlife without worrying about His name being "damaged" on Earth because some people allowed the government to issue a slip of paper with a particular word on it.

You can't undermine God. Thats wrong. God is everything, God is the first, God is all powerful and all knowing. All we can do is, as individuals, believe in Him and earn forgiveness or not and remain eternally unworthy of being with Him. If your God can be injured, undermined by the actions of humans then he is no true god at all.

Its unfortunate that you, like a lot of Christians, are stuck in the old testament and are so far away from the grace of Christ and the new Covenant. My statement about sin is that even though as humans sin affects us differently here, at the end of the day we'll be cast away from God either for failing to repent over a murder or over a lustful eye glanced and your friends wife. Both lead to the same end. Of course, on Earth, we need to have different punishments for different sins/crimes. Thats why today murderers are put in prison and the lustful neighbor has no punishment. But God will decide things in the end - its not your job to do that for every sin. And Gods judgement will be met out on each individual based on their own choices. While you can share the word of the Lord as a good Christian, they still need to life their life and make their choices. You shouldn't force it because then they'll never listen to His word. You work against the Lord in that manner.

God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Which means he did not change because of the new covenant. Maybe you should read revelations where he will bring in his full wrath against the wicked. That will show you the worth of your statement that God no longer sends his wrath on the nations. As for individuals not judging. I think you are taking scripture totally out of context. Let us take that whole scripture where people are getting that from.

Matthew 7:1-5
1“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Clearly it is hypocritical judging that he was railing upon. If you look at verse 5 we are clearly take remove the problems that we have before we are able to help our brother remove his that are of the same nature. Lets continue on this because many misunderstand that there is a difference between condemnation and rebuke. For we are not to condemn but we are to rebuke.

1 Timothy 5:20
20 Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear.

Not to mention that every prophet and Jesus himself called people to repent of their sins. For how are we to save people from hell if they do not know to repent of their sins.

You need to read Paul's full teaching on grace, and how it is not a hall pass to sin. God's grace frees us from sin but it does not enable us to sin freely.

God doesn't change, but his relationship with us changed. Our dynamic changed. In the old testament He was in communication with us directly, leading His flock directly before He sent His Son. His old covenant was that He would send a Savior and that we should obey all the intricate laws given as a means of salvation before this Covenant was fulfilled. When He send His Son and the Covenant is fulfilled the dynamic changes drastically. The message now is to grow the faith among all people and to believe in Christs sacrifice so that we may be saved. No longer is He leading a nation, He charges us with a task and gives us the most precious thing ever. His message is love and good news. Sin is still sin and we should still hate sin as God does not like sin. But that path to salvation is much different and our message is to be one of peace and not one of war.

Revelations is the story of God finally bringing the world to and end so that He can pass judgement. Its a specific event. We're not living in Revelations right now. If you believe we are then we can stop talking now because I think you're crazy.

I completely disagree with your assessment of that verse. Its not about a specific type of judgement. His message is that judgement itself by a person is hypocritical as we are all guilty of sin. We all have that stain, we all have that plank in the eye. First remove your sinful nature before you can start judging someone else on theirs.

Those instructions, as I understood them, were for people of the Church to deal with people in the Church. Yes, we should encourage repentance and I have no problem in saying that I think being gay is a sin. But allowing a piece of paper from the government between two people isn't going to make more people sin and not allowing it isn't going to stop it either.

Being that judgmental stops people from listening. we're to love our neighbors, even the constant sinners, as we love ourselves. We should be positive so that people will be open to Gods message, so that one day maybe they will listen and will be saved. While it would be great if everyone could be saved in a day, its no less great if they are saved 10 or 20 years from now.

Of course Grace isn't a Hall pass. But God will know in whos hearts are sinning and repenting solely out of that motivation and who is truly lost in sin and eventually comes to the Lord. I'm sure there are a lot of sinners today that Christians would judge and hate who will find God and will be saved while there are wicked people in the Church who think they can use it and will lose salvation because of it.