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Does it bother you that the Congress, Senate and the President signed Obamacare into law, but oddly enough, it doesn't apply to them?

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  • none 2012/07/22 18:49:17
    yes
    none
    +8
    They knew it was a terrible piece of legislation, even though they never read it they knew they wanted nothing to do with it.

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  • Tic-Toc 2012/12/10 07:40:28
    yes
    Tic-Toc
    +1
    They count themselves ABOVE all the Laws... After all the Laws are only for the 'Common People'
  • sjalan 2012/12/10 04:34:57
    yes
    sjalan
    +1
    I am fully in favor of the AHA program. BUT if it is good enough for the goose it is good enough for the gander. Congress should eliminate their retirement program and their retiree health plan and be part of SS and Medicare along with the rest of us No special rules. PLUS when under the retirement age they should be subject to the AHA program as well.
  • Tic-Toc sjalan 2012/12/10 07:43:54
    Tic-Toc
    As you are in favor of the AHA, Maybe you should read the following... It's a little bit Long But I am sure it will open your eyes some:


    Barry is coming out with $268 billion in new taxes on Jan 1, 2013 due to Obamacare - and 7 of the tax increases target those under $250,000/yr. Oh, and the worst one of them negatively and dramatically affects those that need the most help:

    The Flexible Spending Account (FSA) Cap, which will begin in 2013, is perhaps the most hurtful provision to the middle class. This part of the law imposes a cap of $2,500 per year (which is now unlimited) on the amount of pre-tax dollars that could be deposited into these accounts. Why is this particularly hurtful to the middle class? It is because funds in these accounts may be used to pay for special needs education for special needs children in the United States. Tuition rates for this type of special education can easily exceed $14,000 per year and the use of pre-tax dollars has helped many middle income families. (So the Dems are really putting an enormous burden on those in need of specialized care. Talk about a kick in the teeth: how in the world do the Dems get away with this sh..?)

    Another direct hit to the middle class is the Medical Itemized Deduction Hurdle which is currently 7.5% of adjusted g...

















































    As you are in favor of the AHA, Maybe you should read the following... It's a little bit Long But I am sure it will open your eyes some:


    Barry is coming out with $268 billion in new taxes on Jan 1, 2013 due to Obamacare - and 7 of the tax increases target those under $250,000/yr. Oh, and the worst one of them negatively and dramatically affects those that need the most help:

    The Flexible Spending Account (FSA) Cap, which will begin in 2013, is perhaps the most hurtful provision to the middle class. This part of the law imposes a cap of $2,500 per year (which is now unlimited) on the amount of pre-tax dollars that could be deposited into these accounts. Why is this particularly hurtful to the middle class? It is because funds in these accounts may be used to pay for special needs education for special needs children in the United States. Tuition rates for this type of special education can easily exceed $14,000 per year and the use of pre-tax dollars has helped many middle income families. (So the Dems are really putting an enormous burden on those in need of specialized care. Talk about a kick in the teeth: how in the world do the Dems get away with this sh..?)

    Another direct hit to the middle class is the Medical Itemized Deduction Hurdle which is currently 7.5% of adjusted gross income. This is the hurdle that must be met before medical expenses over that hurdle can be taken as a deduction on federal income taxes. Obamacare raises this hurdle to 10% of adjusted gross income beginning in 2013. Consider the middle class family with $80,000 of adjusted gross income and $8,000 of medical expenses. Currently, that family can get some relief from being able to take a $2,000 deduction (7.5% X $80,000 = $6,000; $8,000 –$6,000 = $2,000). An increase to 10% would eliminate the deduction in this example and if that family was paying a 25% federal tax rate, the real cost of that lost deduction would be $500.

    The fifth new tax on the middle class, and all Americans, is the Health Savings Account (HSA) Withdrawal Tax Hike. This provision increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10% currently to 20% beginning in 2013. This provision actually sets these accounts apart from Investment Retirement Accounts (IRAs) and other tax advantaged accounts, all of which remain with a 10% early withdrawal tax.

    Tax penalty to hit nearly 6 million uninsured people

    By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar

    Associated Press Wednesday September 19, 2012

    Congressional budget analysts are now estimating that nearly 6 million Americans - most of them in the middle class - will have to pay a tax penalty for not getting health insurance once President Barack Obama's health care law is fully in place.

    That's 2 million more than a previous estimate found, or a 50 percent increase. The average penalty will be nearly $1,200.

    Starting in 2014, the new health care law requires virtually every legal resident of the U.S. to carry health insurance, or face a tax penalty. The Supreme Court upheld Obama's law as constitutional after finding that the penalty fell within the power of Congress to impose taxes.

    The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said today the penalty will raise $6.9 billion when fully in effect in 2016.

    Top Five Worst Obamacare Taxes Coming in 2013:

    Obamacare Medical Device Tax – a $20 billion tax increase:
    Obamacare “Special Needs Kids Tax” – a $13 billion tax increase:
    Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income – a $123 billion tax increase:
    Obamacare “Haircut” for Medical Itemized Deductions – a $15.2 billion tax increase:
    Obamacare Medicare Payroll Tax Hike -- an $86.8 billion tax increase:

    Obama is a disaster - it's just that you libs are too blind to see or acknowledge it. (Just as was the case with Carter.)

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-...

    While we were all debating the cost to our liberty due to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), we were ignoring the cost to our pockets. If there ever was a reason for bipartisan rage about this law, it should be on the twenty - yes, twenty - hidden new taxes of this law. Making matters even more relevant is that seven of these taxes are levied on all citizens regardless of income. Hence, Mr. Obama’s promise not to raise taxes on anyone earning less than $250,000 is just another falsehood associated with this legislation.

    The first, and best known, of these seven taxes that will hit all Americans as a result of Obamacare is the Individual Mandate Tax (no longer concealed as a penalty). This provision will require a couple to pay the higher of a base tax of $1,360 per year, or 2.5% of adjusted growth income starting with lower base tax and rising to this level by 2016. Individuals will see a base tax of $695 and families a base tax of $2,085 per year by 2016.

    Next up is the Medicine Cabinet Tax that took effect in 2011. This tax prohibits reimbursement of expenses for over-the-counter medicine, with the lone exception of insulin, from an employee’s pre-tax dollar funded Health Saving Account (HSA), Flexible Spending Account (FSA) or Health Reimbursement Account (HRA). This provision hurts middle class earners particularly hard since they earn enough to actually pay federal taxes, but not enough to make this restriction negligible.

    Another regressive tax that is part of this law began in 2010 and that is the Indoor Tanning Services Tax, which places a 10% excise tax on people using tanning salons. While some may regard this as insignificant, the broader implication is that this act of taxation is a blatant move by the federal government to control the behavior of citizens. This provision, as does the Individual Mandate and as Justice Kennedy said during the oral arguments on the constitutionality of the law said, “….fundamentally changes the relationship between the federal government and the citizen.” (How are you libs not incensed by now about the lies, lies, and darned lies Barry and the Dems have been telling you?)

    The seventh new tax that directly impacts the middle class, along with all citizens, is the Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans or the “Cadillac” Health Insurance Plan Tax. These are plans that provide extensive coverage and that are generally fully paid for, or largely paid for, by employers. This provision imposes a 40% excise tax on the employer-paid premium on taxpayers who are covered by such plans, beginning in 2018. The reason it begins in 2018 is because most unionized workers are covered by plans that fall under this definition and a deferral was made to spare union members from this tax for at least a period of time. (Oh gee, what a surprise: Barrys union thugs and partners-in-crime are exempted from this. Talk about rubbing salt into our wounds ...)

    There are thirteen other taxes that apply to businesses and that apply to high income (over $250,000 per year) households. While these additional provisions will not impact the middle class directly, they can have serious indirect consequences for middle and low income earners. Beginning in 2014, the Employer Mandate Tax will impose an annual non-deductible tax on employers with more than 50 employees who do not provide health insurance for their employees.

    The impact of this provision on low and middle income earners, and really all working Americans, is that employers will be confronted with three choices. The first is provide some level of health insurance, as many do today, and there would be no impact on employees. The second choice is to pay the penalty, which would most likely be less expensive than providing health insurance, and force employees to seek their own health insurance or purchase it through federal government controlled state exchanges. Studies have estimated that 20 million Americans will lose their employee funded health insurance as a result of this provision and employers electing this option. The third choice is for employers to lay off employees, or not hire additional employees, because Obamacare forces them to either provide health insurance or pay the new tax.

    Another new tax, the Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers that begins in 2013, places a 2.3% excise tax on all items retailing for more than $100. This provision will not only drive up the cost of various medical devices ranging from mobility assistance devices to personal testing supplies, but will also impact an industry that employs 360,000 people in 6,000 plants across our country. This tax, while not a direct tax, would have significant negative impact on the middle class. (See post http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.co...

    The Surtax on Investment Income for households earning $250,000 and more, beginning in 2013, will raise the Capital Gains Tax from 15% to 23.8% on investment income for these households and will raise Taxes on Dividends from 15% to 43.4% for the same households. Aside from the impact on retired citizens dependent on dividends, this provision will pull income from the private economy. In addition, the tax rate on Other Investment Income earned by Subchapter S Corporation (which many small business are organized as, allowing the owners to claim all business income as personal income) will rise from 35% to 43.4%. This part of the provision would place additional pressure on small businesses resulting in more layoffs and less hiring, impacting all American workers.

    All but one of the remaining new taxes in Obamacare are directed at health industry businesses and while they will not impact middle income families directly, the additional costs will most likely be passed on to the public. The last new tax is really interesting, it is a tax on certain biofuels!

    These are the facts. It does not matter if you support Mr. Obama and his new law or if you oppose it, the new taxes on the middle class or real and all Americans should understand their impact on their families and the economy. Citizens, regardless of political beliefs, should recognize that Obamacare was passed with almost no sunlight shined on these middle class tax increases and need to understand that the new law was sold with the promise that there would be no new middle class taxes. This is not partisan, it is simply the reality of politics.
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  • Drue-AFCL sjalan 2012/12/10 22:50:38 (edited)
    Drue-AFCL
    I totally agree!!!!! About the goose and the gander thing. I am opposed to the AHA aka Obamacare.
  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/12/10 03:23:46
    yes
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +2
    And the very people that help write it opted out as well.
  • Drue-AFCL ☆stillt... 2012/12/10 03:52:50
    Drue-AFCL
    +2
    Of course they did. . . . . . . .
  • flrdsgns 2012/12/10 03:03:00
    no
    flrdsgns
    +3
    Congress has a great health care plan. I sure wish I had theirs.
  • Johan Mohamed 2012/12/10 03:00:26
    yes
    Johan Mohamed
    +2
    If you didnt know already it just shows they can do whatever they want with your hard earned money. You have no choice. Live or Leave the system. Systematic downfall of democracy, Underlying growth of the NWO. America. Slaves to the New World Order.
  • Hopscotch 2012/12/10 02:33:01
    no
    Hopscotch
    +1
    It's one of the perks of the job. It's already paid for by their employer. You can have it too, if you can come up with enough votes. perks job paid employer votes
  • mal 2012/12/10 00:09:54
    yes
    mal
    +3
    Of course, we are in the third world now.
  • cuzzbuzzla 2012/12/09 23:56:04
    yes
    cuzzbuzzla
    +4
    Absolutely. 28th (?) Amendment to the United States constitution, one sentence: "Congress shall make no law that does not equally apply to them." Other changes I would make: Government can no longer borrow into the future. No more spending our kids and grand-kids money. Legalize 420. No pensions for elected officials. Politicians get same health care plan as poorest citizens get. Ditto all federal employees (also exempted from Obamacare). Eliminate federally insuring banks, if you bank with them it's at your own risk, end the unholy alliance between the big banks and government. Replace them with credit unions where the credit union answers only to it's members. Any foreign governments that fails to protect our embassy loses all US funding for at least 1 year. Then we'd break for lunch...
  • Beccy 2012/12/09 23:45:03
    yes
    Beccy
    +2
    I think they should give up what the have and join the rest of us including having to pay for it
  • wtxwoman 2012/12/09 21:22:48
    no
    wtxwoman
    +1
    Not anymore than the rest of the stupid sh*t they do. Nothing that applys to us applys to them.
  • Giantfan 2012/12/09 21:14:56
    no
    Giantfan
    +2
    Not at all. I'm use to congress screwing over us but all people should have health insurance.
  • Drue-AFCL Giantfan 2012/12/10 02:36:10
    Drue-AFCL
    +2
    That is the way Nancy rolls. Then she says she didn't read it because they had to Pass the bill to find out what suprises were in it?!?!?!? WTF is that?
  • Giantfan Drue-AFCL 2012/12/10 04:13:49
    Giantfan
    I don't worry about Nancy. People need health insurance. The civilized world is passing the United States by in science, engineering, health care, math, medicine. We won't be number one if we keep holding back. So be it Nancy or Bohener we need to move forward because he who hesitates is lost.
  • didgitm... Giantfan 2013/07/27 03:41:22
    didgitmigit
    +1
    If the rest of the world's health care is so advanced, why are people coming from France for operations they need, and from Canada? It's free there, so why come here and pay for it? Could it be the bottom line will always rule? If you're considered too old then you're not worth the time or money and the system is so overburdened you can wait years for what they consider non emergency. A guy in Canada had two more children waiting for a vasectomy.
  • Giantfan didgitm... 2013/07/27 03:45:57
    Giantfan
    Speciality operations and the way we're going we'll be going to other countries soon for speciality operations. Why am I paying for people who go to emergency rooms for healthcare?
  • Archer ~ The Limit Break of... 2012/12/09 14:34:23
    no
    Archer ~ The Limit Break of PHAET
    +2
    I applies to them. They just already have insurance.

    What bothers me more is that you don't know that the Senate is already part of Congress. The HOUSE is what you were looking for in that sentence. Congress = The House + The Senate.

    When you understand politics 101, then complain about Obamacare.
  • Magus BN-0 2012/12/09 08:47:16
    no
    Magus BN-0
    +3
    Because they're not exempted from it.
  • Icon 2012/07/23 03:55:40
    no
    Icon
    +2
    Never trust a politician. I saw this coming from 3 miles out.
  • MarinerFH 2012/07/23 02:26:22
  • Roger 2012/07/23 01:27:11
    no
    Roger
    +4
    Druebeall; you know I love and respect ya, but you are wrong on this one. According to the law they have to opt in January, 2014. Now; what I think is that politicians are not, and never will be, subject to the same rules you and I will have to follow. Will they tweak it with exemptions that create some favoritism towards themselves and special interest groups in the future? You can bet your rear end they will. If anyone thinks those on-call doctors and clinics at the capitol are going to disappear; if anyone thinks that those politicians are going to wait 6 months for a medical treatment, they are just being naive.
  • eyes wide open 2012/07/23 00:33:24 (edited)
    yes
    eyes wide open
    +3
    and a long list of their other friends .
  • Kaleokualoha 2012/07/23 00:14:24 (edited)
    no
    Kaleokualoha
    +7
    You have been misled by Sean Hannity and other propagandists. Congress is NOT exempt from Obamacare, according to Forbes:

    [QUOTE]
    Of all the many gripes and complaints directed my way when it comes to the Affordable Care Act, the one that appears to tick people off the most is a widespread belief that Congress has carved out some exemptions for themselves that provide our elected representatives with cushy health insurance benefits while the rest of us are left to experience diminishing coverage from employers or, come 2014, enter the unknown world of state run health insurance exchanges.

    I certainly understand why people believe that this injustice is taking place right under their noses. Conservative media has told them repeatedly, and in no uncertain terms, that this is the trick being played on them by the privileged and powerful.

    It’s a great story – but it certainly is not the true story.

    Indeed, you may be surprised to learn that once the lion’s share of the ACA kicks in on January 1, 2014, not only are Members of Congress and their staff obligated to play by the same rules as the rest of us, they will actually be required to follow a more restrictive path to their health insurance than you and I.

    The false narrative suggesting that Congress gave themselves a...



















    You have been misled by Sean Hannity and other propagandists. Congress is NOT exempt from Obamacare, according to Forbes:

    [QUOTE]
    Of all the many gripes and complaints directed my way when it comes to the Affordable Care Act, the one that appears to tick people off the most is a widespread belief that Congress has carved out some exemptions for themselves that provide our elected representatives with cushy health insurance benefits while the rest of us are left to experience diminishing coverage from employers or, come 2014, enter the unknown world of state run health insurance exchanges.

    I certainly understand why people believe that this injustice is taking place right under their noses. Conservative media has told them repeatedly, and in no uncertain terms, that this is the trick being played on them by the privileged and powerful.

    It’s a great story – but it certainly is not the true story.

    Indeed, you may be surprised to learn that once the lion’s share of the ACA kicks in on January 1, 2014, not only are Members of Congress and their staff obligated to play by the same rules as the rest of us, they will actually be required to follow a more restrictive path to their health insurance than you and I.

    The false narrative suggesting that Congress gave themselves a special deal appears to have begun with John Fund of the Wall Street Journal who wrote,

    “As the U.S. Office of Personnel Management notes, Members of Congress “enjoy the widest selection of health plans in the country.” According to page 114 of the Kennedy bill, a similar array of choices would not be available to other Americans in the future. Instead, they would be shunted into health insurance plans under the straightjacket of whatever the government decides is a “basic” plan.

    The goal would be to restrict care for the general public in order to control costs, while making sure Congress gets the gold-plated attention it’s accustomed to. Ultimately, the rest of us would be asked to trade a private insurance company as gatekeeper for a government gatekeeper. The difference, of course, is that most of us can fire our insurance gatekeeper. Just try to do that once the government fills that role.

    This line of bull was peddled to an even larger audience by Sean Hannity, a man who never met a fact that he wasn’t willing to ignore while making up a new one to better suit his purpose. During Hannity’s Fox News program of March 24, 2010, Hannity stated, without reservation, that that Members of Congress and their staff were exempt from the requirements of the Affordable Care Act.

    So, here’s the real deal –As things currently stand, Members of Congress and their staff, until 2014, will continue to participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). This program, considered among the best in the nation, allows federal employees- including Members of Congress and their staff- to choose from a wide range of health plans and select the one that best suits their needs. Note that the current plan is neither ‘government’ insurance, ‘free’ insurance nor any other sort of sweet deal that the public has been led to believe is the case. The federal employee’s program involves private insurance policies with premiums, deductibles, co-pays, etc.

    Here’s the surprise – come 2014, when the lion’s share of the ACA provisions come on line, Members of Congress and their staff will be required to buy their health insurance on an exchange. In fact, their choices will be even more limited than our own. While it is expected that some 24 million people will elect to purchase their health care policy on a state run exchange, we are not required by law to do so. Members of Congress and their staff, however, must buy their insurance in this way.

    [END QUOTE http://www.forbes.com/sites/r... ]

    Such misrepresentation is par for the course in the Conservative Disinformation Network (see http://kaleokualoha2878577.ne... ]. Similar disinformation was outlined by Newsweek in 2010:

    [QUOTE]
    The outlandish stories about Barack Hussein Obama are simply false: he wasn’t born outside the United States (the tabloid “proof” has been debunked as a crude forgery); he has never been a Muslim (he was raised by an atheist and became a practicing Christian in his 20s); his policies are not “socialist” (he explicitly rejected advice to nationalize the banks and wants the government out of General Motors and Chrysler as quickly as possible); he is not a “warmonger” (he promised in 2008 to withdraw from Iraq and escalate in Afghanistan and has done so); he is neither a coddler of terrorists (he has already ordered the killing of more “high value” Qaeda targets in 18 months than his predecessor did in eight years), nor a coddler of Wall Street (his financial-reform package, while watered down, was the most vigorous since the New Deal), nor an enemy of American business (he and the Chamber of Commerce favor tax credits for small business that were stymied by the GOP to deprive him of a victory). And that’s just the short list of lies.
    [END QUOTE http://www.thedailybeast.com/... ]

    "Piety requires us to honor truth above our friends." - Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC)
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  • Sissum7... Kaleoku... 2012/07/23 18:33:19
    Sissum71*AFCL*
    I read the Forbes link you provided and it is a nice article written by you. I did enjoy the Congressman's surprise appearance. An actual physician and member on Congress.. John Flemming. He disagreed with you and when I looked at Section 312 of ACA I noticed you never mentioned what was in parentheses: (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or(II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).
    This can be amended..they have until 2014 to come up with something. Really, how hard is that? This post and these links do not prove anything except you are just as dishonest as those you accuse of dishonesty.
  • Kaleoku... Sissum7... 2012/07/23 18:38:35
    Kaleokualoha
    +3
    ". . . a nice article written by you"? You are obviously delusional. If you cannot accept an economics article from Forbes, then perhaps you live in Fantasyland.

    "A gentleman allows a lady to maintain her fantasies" - Jack Sparrow
  • Sissum7... Kaleoku... 2012/07/23 19:26:53
    Sissum71*AFCL*
    +1
    Section 312 of ACA Can be amended. They have until 2014 to change it. I am perfectly capable of reading and comprehending. A half truth written anywhere by anyone is still a half truth. It can be amended, they have until 2014.
  • John Hall 2012/07/23 00:08:52
    yes
    John Hall
    +2
    Hell yes it bothers me and what else that kills me is the stupid Americans who want it . When they pass laws or bills that excludes them you better ask questions .
  • sick'n'tired PWCM 2012/07/22 23:45:00
    yes
    sick'n'tired PWCM
    +3
    The hypocrite elites know it sucks.
  • BifDaddy 2012/07/22 23:33:18
    yes
    BifDaddy
    +2
    Typical Obama.

    Do as I say and not as I do.
  • Unclecracker 2012/07/22 23:08:40
    yes
    Unclecracker
    +2
    That's because they all know it sucks. When you have an idiot in our government that states: "We need to pass this bill so we can find out what's in it", that should be clue enough that something is seriously wrong. And the stupid Liberals are cheering for it; nough said!!
  • evangelism_vision 2012/07/22 22:11:25
    yes
    evangelism_vision
    +2
    WHEN THE OBAMA HEALTHCARE BILL WAS SIGNED WHO WAS IN CONTROL IN THE HOUSE?


    WHEN THE OBAMA HEALTHCARE BILL WAS SIGNED, WHO WAS IN CONTROL OF THE SENATE?


    WHEN THE OBAMA HEALTHCARE BILL WAS SIGNED WHO WAS PRESIDENT?


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  • Arel 2012/07/22 21:57:15
    yes
    Arel
    +3
    and that isn't all Congress and Presidents pass that doesn't apply to them this is common and it needs to change if it is good enough for us it is good enough for them.
  • wolf sloan 2012/07/22 21:56:52
    yes
    wolf sloan
    +4
    that and "Passing it to see what's in it" are my 2 main objections
  • Kat ♪.BTO-t-BCRA-F~PWCM~ 2012/07/22 21:09:21
    yes
    Kat ♪.BTO-t-BCRA-F~PWCM~
    +5
    None of the garbage they ordain for us applies to them.
  • D D 2012/07/22 20:42:46
    yes
    D D
    +7
    It says a lot, doesn't it?
  • Striker 2012/07/22 20:39:33
    yes
    Striker
    +4
    But it bothers me much more that The Force applies to everyone. So Sad and so wrong.
  • Max 2012/07/22 20:28:30
    yes
    Max
    +4
    That also goes for all the "connected" businesses that got waivers.
  • Chokmah 2012/07/22 19:45:06

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