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Does it appall you to see so many idiots and traitors here on sodahead GLOATING about getting away with the CRIME of abetting a foreign usurper with a fake birth certificate, who also gave illegal aliens over a million work permits?

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  • remy 2012/11/10 18:48:44
    NO [tell us why not].
    remy
  • Butch 2012/11/10 11:46:22
  • Archer ~ The Limit Break of... 2012/11/08 04:24:32
    YES [comment as you wish].
    Archer ~ The Limit Break of PHAET
    But it also appalls me to see how many people here are just sour grapes.

    Both sides are acting horribly.
  • timothy.hill.14 2012/11/08 04:17:04
    YES [comment as you wish].
    timothy.hill.14
    +2
    Odd how many of the Romney supporters gracefully accepted defeat and some even congratulated the Obama supporters for their victory. Meanwhile all the I see on the other side of the fence is the Obama supporters rubbing it in people's faces, gloating and just being jackasses in general. What does that tell you about the type of person who supports Obama? They are both stupid and mean devoid of any type of redeeming character.
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  • Odinsown 2012/11/08 01:59:43
    NO [tell us why not].
    Odinsown
    Are we still on this silly birther argument? Gag.
  • Piper 2012/11/08 01:18:13
    NO [tell us why not].
    Piper
    +1
    I am appalled that so many Americans are acting like it is the end of the world, just because they didn't get their way.
    appalled americans acting world
  • LesWaggoner BN 1 2012/11/08 01:10:57
    NO [tell us why not].
    LesWaggoner BN 1
    +2
    Gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat, gloat.
  • Heptarch 2012/11/07 23:27:05
    NO [tell us why not].
    Heptarch
    +1
    What appalls me about this site are that there are too many idiots like you here.
  • dubbie 2012/11/07 23:20:57
    YES [comment as you wish].
    dubbie
    +1
    But their gloating wont be long lived before the W.T.F. reality hits them , Its not too far in the making
  • bags the Indigenous Guru 2012/11/07 22:12:48
    NO [tell us why not].
    bags the Indigenous Guru
    +5
    Guess I'm pretty selective over what posts I see, because I haven't seen any gloating. And, please, isn't it time to let go of this foolish birther nonsense?

    For the second time Barack Obama has been elected President of the United States, and by popular AND electoral college. I know it enrages a lot of people, but the majority of the US wanted him to stay right where he is, or at least didn't want Mr. Romney there. This country needs us to pull together and not continue to divide over pointless moot issues. Get drunk, split wood, do whatever....but get over it. America needs you, too.
  • VERYwiseguy 2012/11/07 22:03:46
    NO [tell us why not].
    VERYwiseguy
    +1
    I'm not delusional. lol
  • BUCCANEER~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/11/07 22:03:17
    YES [comment as you wish].
    BUCCANEER~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Nice one tncdel applause gifs
  • Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET 2012/11/07 21:55:30
    NO [tell us why not].
    Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET
    +4
    First Paladin you are not, the character was not delusional. It is over and done with, get over it. You make accusations, but never back them up with legitimate news source. In 4 years you can try again
  • Freeranger 2012/11/07 21:37:18
    NO [tell us why not].
    Freeranger
    +1
    Nah. It's expected, at least by me. Four years and life begins anew. This next time, I hope lazy people will have suffered enough to then understand why quality matters as well as how important it really is to vote, and vote discerningly.
    Now, it's time to get burned and let it be a lesson to those who never took it seriously and now must suffer.
  • Kaleokualoha 2012/11/07 21:14:40 (edited)
    NO [tell us why not].
    Kaleokualoha
    +8
    My condolences on your loss, conservatives! Welcome to the REAL world, not the alternate reality bubble in which many of you seem live. As some pundit commented, the GOP is a "Mad Men" party in a "Modern Family" America!

    Sodahead poll results once again prove how far to the right Sodahead actually is. It makes me feel like a missionary in Right-Wing Fantasyland!

    Platter


    "I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. That is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968)
  • tncdel Kaleoku... 2012/11/07 21:25:58
    tncdel
    +2
    Extend your heartfelt condolences to America, Mr. Turncoat.
  • Kaleoku... tncdel 2012/11/07 21:28:10
    Kaleokualoha
    +9
    "Turncoat"? My, what an ACTIVE imagination. My condolences only go out to conservatives. Most of America won last night!
  • Sport_G... Kaleoku... 2012/11/07 21:33:24
    Sport_Geoff
    +1
    Get back to us in 2 years because it is obvious you have no economic or business experience if you think America won by reelecting the BIGGEST IDIOT EVER. Perhaps your one of those on the government teat?..that could be the only explanation for your lack of intelligence about what built this country..........IT DAMN SURE WASNT DEMOCRAT / LIBERAL / SOCIALIST POLICIES.
  • Kaleoku... Sport_G... 2012/11/08 00:53:46
    Kaleokualoha
    +2
    Back to school, Grasshoppa! Just as Chicken Little started a "sky is falling" hysteria based on a falling acorn, so too are various critics pushing a "socialist" or "Marxist" Obama hysteria based on his economic policies. Not only do critics conveniently forget that the 2008 bailout was initiated by the Bush administration, but they also seem to have forgotten Econ 101. They could easily avoid such non sequitur nonsense by following the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.

    Obama's "Marxist threat" is just as delusional as the "Iraqi threat" before the 2003 invasion. Both delusions are phantom menaces (i.e, fairy tales), fabricated and circulated by the Conservative Disinformation Network*. Both delusions are "straw men" designed to demonize their targets. Both delusions were swallowed in good faith by angry Americans, eager for excuses to attack their targets, who then circulated these myths further. Both delusions exploited the confirmation bias and ignorance of some Americans.

    In a classic display of masterful propaganda, both were also swallowed by others, who now had a REASON to attack the same targets, and circulate these myths further!

    BACKGROUND: According to dictionary.com, socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of th...



















    Back to school, Grasshoppa! Just as Chicken Little started a "sky is falling" hysteria based on a falling acorn, so too are various critics pushing a "socialist" or "Marxist" Obama hysteria based on his economic policies. Not only do critics conveniently forget that the 2008 bailout was initiated by the Bush administration, but they also seem to have forgotten Econ 101. They could easily avoid such non sequitur nonsense by following the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.

    Obama's "Marxist threat" is just as delusional as the "Iraqi threat" before the 2003 invasion. Both delusions are phantom menaces (i.e, fairy tales), fabricated and circulated by the Conservative Disinformation Network*. Both delusions are "straw men" designed to demonize their targets. Both delusions were swallowed in good faith by angry Americans, eager for excuses to attack their targets, who then circulated these myths further. Both delusions exploited the confirmation bias and ignorance of some Americans.

    In a classic display of masterful propaganda, both were also swallowed by others, who now had a REASON to attack the same targets, and circulate these myths further!

    BACKGROUND: According to dictionary.com, socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. In Marxist theory, it is the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

    Please note that it is the stage FOLLOWING capitalism. Capitalism has many forms in a mixed economy, with public (collective) ownership of various enterprises based upon economic conditions. Limited public ownership does not comprise Marxist socialism, which requires COMPLETE public ownership. When controlled by a police state, however, limited public ownership may become fascism ("national socialism"), Marxist socialism, or even "perfect implementation of collectivist principles" (i.e., communism). Limited public ownership occurs at virtually every point on the mixed economy spectrum.

    MIXED ECONOMIES: Every advocate of greater government economic control might be called a "socialist," but none are Marxist socialists unless they advocate the complete elimination of private enterprise. True (laissez-faire) capitalism means zero government control of private enterprise, which means economic anarchy. Neither of these extremes works in the long run. Every successful economy is a mixed economy, existing somewhere on a spectrum between both extremes.

    Every successful economy is part capitalist and part socialist. They all contain a mix of private and public ownership, and they all have some government control of private enterprise. The only relevant question is "WHERE on this spectrum can we achieve the greatest success?" The rise of Asian economies, with their varying degrees of centralized planning, proves that economic planning helps economic development.

    ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCTS: Both laissez faire capitalism and true communism are artificial constructs, as impossible to sustain as cold fusion. Every successful society requires private enterprise regulated by public policy, regardless of Ayn Rand's fantasies. Extremists on either fringe are equally delusional. In some ways regulation is a necessary evil like body fat: too much or too little are both lethal. The normal tendency is to add layers with age. The challenge is to find the level that will produce the optimum outcome, all things considered.

    Unless someone advocates the complete replacement of capitalism with collectivism, they do not truly advocate socialism or communism. To accuse them of either, when they have not explicitly advocated as much themselves, suggests either unfamiliarity with mixed economies or intellectual dishonesty. Even George W. Bush and John McCain were accused of advocating socialism based upon their support of 2008 bailout legislation.

    ARE MIXED ECONOMIES "SOCIALIST"? The bottom line is simple. If you consider any variation of a mixed economy, including ANY public ownership or regulation of industry to be "socialism," then the United States and ALL other economies are "socialist." The debate is over, because by that definition we have been "socialist" since the 18th century. If you only consider complete collectivism to be "socialism," according to Marxist theory, then no successful economy is actually "socialist." The closest to a Marxist socialist economy is the economic basket case, North Korea. If you consider socialism to occur at some other point on the spectrum between unregulated capitalism and Marxist socialism, then any such point would be arbitrary.

    To accuse a mixed economy advocate of being a socialist or communist suggests that you believe that ANY degree of government ownership or regulation qualifies as "socialism," or that you believe that any ownership/regulation beyond an indefinite "trigger point" qualifies as "socialism,", and that YOU get to set the trigger point. The "trigger point" explanation reminds me of the egocentric explorer who says that anyone who explores farther into dangerous territory is a fool, but anyone who doesn’t explore as far as he does is a coward. His arrogance presumes that his own boundaries are both appropriate and common standards.

    MARXIST SOCIALISM: Marxist "socialism," in contrast to European "democratic socialism," requires collective ownership of the means of production and distribution. That is the death of private enterprise. We may or may not be on a path to collectivism, just as a dating couple may or may not be on a path to pregnancy. Traveling on a path in any direction does not imply any specific goal. For example, traveling on Interstate 10 does not imply that either coast is the goal.

    "Direction" is one thing. "Goal" is another. All mixed economies exist at some point in the spectrum between the fatal terminuses of unregulated capitalism and true socialism. In most Marxist states, however, capitalism reappeared as people recognized the lethal consequences of such extremes. Russia, China and other communist nations now recognize the virtue of mixed economies. They learned the hard way.

    SPECIOUS SPECULATION: I await empirical evidence, instead of specious speculation, that Obama wants to eliminate capitalism by moving to that extreme. To say Obama advocates the goal of socialism, based upon his movement on the spectrum instead of being based on his explicit advocacy, is to create a straw man. It is intellectually dishonest and unworthy of serious debate.
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  • Kiosk Kid Kaleoku... 2012/11/07 22:05:53 (edited)
    Kiosk Kid
    The real world is not going to bet on Obama. Therefore, there will be no real jobs in the real world.

    Romney, asked investors to invest in America to create jobs but the vast majority of them thought "after you."

    Your real world is Marxism.Capital and jobs flee Marxism. Why invest in a Marxist country when you can invest in many countries moving from Marxism to capitalim?

    There isn't going to be many jobs created in America during the next four years.
  • Heptarch Kiosk Kid 2012/11/07 23:28:19
    Heptarch
    +3
    "The real world is not going to bet on Obama. Therefore, there will be no real jobs in the real world."

    Then that is the fault of businesses not hiring, not Obama.
  • Kiosk Kid Heptarch 2012/11/08 14:59:47
    Kiosk Kid
    Marxism doesn't work.

    LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) — A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election.
    http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/...


    "Boeing announced a major restructuring of its defense division on Wednesday that will cut 30 percent of management jobs from 2010 levels, close facilities in California and consolidate several business units to cut costs."
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/49729998

    Small businesses held off as long as they could. However, they can't hold off for 4 more years. There will be a lot more layoffs because of Obama's policies.
  • Heptarch Kiosk Kid 2012/11/08 18:41:15
    Heptarch
    +1
    What Obama stands for isn't Marxism. Someone firing their employees for what they FEAR will happen, not what HAS happened, is their fault, not the President's.
  • Kiosk Kid Heptarch 2012/11/08 18:47:44
    Kiosk Kid
    All Investors bet on the future. However, Obama has a dismal record with the worst recovery ever. Even worst than the depression from 1934-1940.

    There will be a lot more layoffs. Small business owners fought Obama and they lost. Now they have no choice but to layoff employees or go out of business.
  • Heptarch Kiosk Kid 2012/11/08 19:36:23 (edited)
    Heptarch
    All of that... every bit... is on employers, not Obama. They're the ones speculating based on fear.

    "Now they have no choice but to layoff employees or go out of business."

    Really? Why? Have they been taxed into oblivion? Nope. Have they been burdened by the punitive legislation? Uh uh. So why do they "have no choice"?
  • Kiosk Kid Heptarch 2012/11/08 20:02:13 (edited)
    Kiosk Kid
    First Obamacare is a reality. There is nothing to stop it. Next the Bush tax cuts have expired and Republicans can'r renew them. Finnally Obama has issued the most big government regulation of any president in history. It is logical that he will issue more.

    All investors bet on the future and Obama is the future for the next four years. Investors consider Obama a Marxist Liberal. Capital and job flee Marxism. Therefore, they aren't going to bet a dime on that Marxist!

    The object of investors is to reduce risk and Obama is nothing but risk. Therefore, more capital and jobs will go overseas.
  • Heptarch Kiosk Kid 2012/11/10 14:24:41
    Heptarch
    "First Obamacare is a reality. There is nothing to stop it."

    So what?

    "Next the Bush tax cuts have expired and Republicans can'r renew them."

    And?

    "Finnally Obama has issued the most big government regulation of any president in history."

    Such as?

    "It is logical that he will issue more."

    So? Is it your argument that no businesses can succeed under such circumstances? If so, I suspect you'll see very quickly that they can, and will. If that is not your argument, what is it?

    "Investors consider Obama a Marxist Liberal."

    Some might. And those who do have every right to their opinion. But as soon as they make decisions based on what has not happened, based on their fears of what MIGHT happen, they assume responsibility for their own actions. They can't blame those actions on someone else. No one forced them to do anything.

    "Capital and job flee Marxism."

    Capitals and jobs flee toward wherever is most amenable to profit.

    "The object of investors is to reduce risk and Obama is nothing but risk. Therefore, more capital and jobs will go overseas."

    They PERCEIVE him as nothing but risk because they are speculating on the future. That is their right, but as soon as they act on those perceptions, they assume the responsibility for their choices.
  • Kiosk Kid Heptarch 2012/11/10 15:50:19
    Kiosk Kid
    My argument is that businesses are laying off employee in mass. Business expect higher taxes and a lot more costly big government regulation of which Obamacare is just one.

    Yes, capital and jobs flee to whatever is the most profitable and that is never Marxism. Taxes and big government regulations simply reduces their return on their investment. Why invest in America if you have little chance to win. America under Obama is not a land of opportunity

    Obama is buying votes with welfare programs and he created almost 6 trillion dollars of public debt in the process. The bond market is going to shut down the Obama spending machine. The US is going to be in the same boat as Greece.
  • Heptarch Kiosk Kid 2012/11/10 16:44:15
    Heptarch
    "Business expect higher taxes and a lot more costly big government regulation of which Obamacare is just one."

    Ok, fine. But those things have not happened yet. Pre-emptive layoffs are the employer's responsibility, no one else's. They don't get to blame that on Obama.

    "Yes, capital and jobs flee to whatever is the most profitable and that is never Marxism."

    Agreed. But this country is not Marxist and is in no danger of becoming so. You can disagree with me all you want, that's fine. But the second you lay someone off because you FEAR that the country MAY become Marxist, that's on you.

    "Taxes and big government regulations simply reduces their return on their investment."

    Aww... those poor business owners, being forced to provide their employees with adequate health care. How will the ever survive?

    Pff. They'll make plenty of profit, still, they just won't make as much of it. Tough.

    "Why invest in America if you have little chance to win."

    They can win. They just won't be able to win while their employees lose.

    " America under Obama is not a land of opportunity"

    Absolute BS. People can still work hard and succeed, just as they can work hard and fail. Just as they can be handed success. Obama has changed nothing in that line. What he's trying to do is ensure...











    "Business expect higher taxes and a lot more costly big government regulation of which Obamacare is just one."

    Ok, fine. But those things have not happened yet. Pre-emptive layoffs are the employer's responsibility, no one else's. They don't get to blame that on Obama.

    "Yes, capital and jobs flee to whatever is the most profitable and that is never Marxism."

    Agreed. But this country is not Marxist and is in no danger of becoming so. You can disagree with me all you want, that's fine. But the second you lay someone off because you FEAR that the country MAY become Marxist, that's on you.

    "Taxes and big government regulations simply reduces their return on their investment."

    Aww... those poor business owners, being forced to provide their employees with adequate health care. How will the ever survive?

    Pff. They'll make plenty of profit, still, they just won't make as much of it. Tough.

    "Why invest in America if you have little chance to win."

    They can win. They just won't be able to win while their employees lose.

    " America under Obama is not a land of opportunity"

    Absolute BS. People can still work hard and succeed, just as they can work hard and fail. Just as they can be handed success. Obama has changed nothing in that line. What he's trying to do is ensure a basic level of healt care for all Americans.

    "Obama is buying votes with welfare programs"

    What programs are you talking about, specifically?

    "The bond market is going to shut down the Obama spending machine."

    Maybe. And maybe Obama and the Republicans will actually work together to get a decent budget passed.

    "The US is going to be in the same boat as Greece."

    No it's not. Greece is a small, impoverished country with few natural resources. The US is none of those things.
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  • Kiosk Kid Heptarch 2012/11/10 17:00:52
    Kiosk Kid
    No, Obamacare is a fact. It is the law of the land. There is nothing to stop it. They are reacting to facts.

    Investors are voting with their feet. They do not feel America is a land of opportunity. Capital and jobs flee Marxism and that is exactly what is happening.

    There is another list of layoffs. They are coming out daily. But besides layoffs, work hours are being cut. Employee are being cut from full time to part time as a direct result of Obamacare.

    I think this is just the beginning. When Obama's avalanche of big government regulations is finally released, you will see another round of Layoffs.

    Marxism doesn't work!
  • Heptarch Kiosk Kid 2012/11/10 17:11:01
    Heptarch
    "No, Obamacare is a fact. It is the law of the land. There is nothing to stop it. They are reacting to facts."

    Sure. And how does it necessitate that a business owner fire his people instead of helping to take care of them?

    "Investors are voting with their feet. They do not feel America is a land of opportunity"

    They have every right to their opinions. But saying that it's someone else's fault that they believe what they believe is ridiculous. Obama isn't a Marxist. He certainly hasn't governed that way.

    "There is another list of layoffs. They are coming out daily."

    Yep, and those business owners are just as responsible for their actions as every other business owner. What's going on with businesses that we're not hearing about? Somehow they're able to survive without hammering their own employees.

    "But besides layoffs, work hours are being cut. Employee are being cut from full time to part time as a direct result of Obamacare."

    That's been happening for years. There will always be some employers who are more concerned with maximizing their profit than ensuring their employees are taken care of.

    I think it's reprehensible that those employers have no sense of loyalty or responsibility to their employees.

    "I think this is just the beginning. When Obama's avala...

    "No, Obamacare is a fact. It is the law of the land. There is nothing to stop it. They are reacting to facts."

    Sure. And how does it necessitate that a business owner fire his people instead of helping to take care of them?

    "Investors are voting with their feet. They do not feel America is a land of opportunity"

    They have every right to their opinions. But saying that it's someone else's fault that they believe what they believe is ridiculous. Obama isn't a Marxist. He certainly hasn't governed that way.

    "There is another list of layoffs. They are coming out daily."

    Yep, and those business owners are just as responsible for their actions as every other business owner. What's going on with businesses that we're not hearing about? Somehow they're able to survive without hammering their own employees.

    "But besides layoffs, work hours are being cut. Employee are being cut from full time to part time as a direct result of Obamacare."

    That's been happening for years. There will always be some employers who are more concerned with maximizing their profit than ensuring their employees are taken care of.

    I think it's reprehensible that those employers have no sense of loyalty or responsibility to their employees.

    "I think this is just the beginning. When Obama's avalanche of big government regulations is finally released, you will see another round of Layoffs."

    Maybe. There will always be reactionary jerks in business. It can't be helped.
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  • Kiosk Kid Heptarch 2012/11/10 17:46:40
    Kiosk Kid
    Capital and jobs flee Marxism. Obama is a Marxist Liberal. Yes, businesses are reacting to Obama's Marxist policies.

    They either react by laying people off or they go out of business. In both cases they will be laying people off.

    Marxism doesn't work!
  • Heptarch Kiosk Kid 2012/11/10 18:37:03
    Heptarch
    "Obama is a Marxist Liberal."

    You know, simply repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

    "Yes, businesses are reacting to Obama's Marxist policies."

    No, they're reacting to fear. How much would you like to bet that more companies than not will somehow manage to make a profit under Obama's "Marxist" administration?

    "They either react by laying people off or they go out of business"

    Or they react by changing their business model so that they are still making a profit. Which is what most businesses will do instead of taking their ball and going home like spoiled children.
  • Kiosk Kid Heptarch 2012/11/10 19:11:04 (edited)
    Kiosk Kid
    Every business organization in America supported Romney. If Romney would have won, there would not have been any layoffs. At the least, Romney could have watered down Obamacare.

    The layoffs were cause by Obama's Marxist policies. Capital and jobs flee Marxism.

    Yes, there will be more layoffs because of Obama's Marxist policies.Romney would have deleted all of Obama's policies by executive order. There would have been an avalanche of hiring.

    Obama would have created a ton of jobs in Nov, Dec, and Jan because small businesses knew that Romney would delete the regulations.
  • Heptarch Kiosk Kid 2012/11/10 20:44:51
    Heptarch
    "Every business organization in America supported Romney."

    Of course they did! They don't want anyone telling them that they can't abuse and exploit their workers and the environment for fun and profit.

    All the rest is just blah blah blah. You're repeating yourself and it's boring.
  • Kiosk Kid Heptarch 2012/11/10 21:19:57
    Kiosk Kid
    Let's me slam the Marxist with facts and logic.

    Government puts heavy taxes on Cigarettes and Alcohol to reduce the consumption of those items.

    Liberals want to tax CO2 to reduce the consumption of fossil fuels.

    Doesn't it make sense that putting a tax on employers for hiring employees will reduce employees? That is what is happening under that Marxist in the White House. Why tax an employers for having employees?

    Slammed the Marxist with facts! Argue with me but you can't! Come on Marxist slam me with facts but you can't All you can do is more Blah, Blah, Blah.

    Marxism is doesn't work!
  • Heptarch Kiosk Kid 2012/11/10 21:36:02
    Heptarch
    "Government puts heavy taxes on Cigarettes and Alcohol to reduce the consumption of those items."

    So? They're using that for revenue.

    "Liberals want to tax CO2 to reduce the consumption of fossil fuels."

    Rightfully so. We need a mechanism to reduce our consumption of fossil fuels. Since companies won't do it on their own, they need incentives.

    "Doesn't it make sense that putting a tax on employers for hiring employees will reduce employees?"

    I don't agree with that characterization.

    "Slammed the Marxist with facts! "

    I'm not a Marxist. You lose. Again. What a shock.
  • Kiosk Kid Heptarch 2012/11/10 23:59:32
    Kiosk Kid
    Why would a tax on employees have a different affect then a tax on Alcohol, Tobacco, and CO2?

    We are seeing massive layoffs of employees because of the Obama tax on employees.
  • Heptarch Kiosk Kid 2012/11/11 00:35:56
    Heptarch
    "Why would a tax on employees have a different affect then a tax on Alcohol, Tobacco, and CO2?"

    It wouldn't. It would raise revenue. That's what taxes are meant to do.

    "We are seeing massive layoffs of employees because of the Obama tax on employees."

    No, we're seeing a handful of layoffs because some owners of companies are throwing temper tantrums rather than trying to find a way to make their companies profitable under the new realities of Obamacare.

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