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Does anyone know of one news paper that mentioned the birth of Barry SOETORO in 1961?

paul 2012/06/16 20:07:42
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  • Arizona... Kaleoku... 2012/06/19 04:49:30
    Arizona1950
    LOL ... that's a bit of a stretch now isn't it. Too funny! I guess you are one who walks a path of denial because you have some sort of man love for Obama or something. Most people can identify a duck when they see one ... others have to wait to see if it walks and quacks like one before they will commit.
  • Kaleoku... Arizona... 2012/06/19 04:29:13 (edited)
    Kaleokualoha
    The "proven to be fraudulent" delusion is where you are in Right-Wing Fantasyland. Despite conclusive evidence from the State of Hawaii confirming Obama's birth ( http://hawaii.gov/health/vita... ), confirmation by both houses of Congress, and despite rejection from mainstream conservatives, the lunatic fringe still challenges his eligibility.

    Even Fox News reports expert opinion that the BC is authentic. See: http://www.foxnews.com/politi... ).

    NOTE: Fox's expert subsequently took issue with Fox's "authentic" claim, and posted “In my humble opinion, what I see about how the PDF is built does not prove any falsification. If there was tampering, we must look elsewhere and not how the PDF was created.” ( http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/31... ) Tremblay's double negative ("does not prove any falsification") may be reasonably interpreted as an endorsement.

    Coupled with a similar opinion from The National Review ( http://www.nationalreview.com... which also found no evidence of falsification, the consensus from leading conservative media is irrefutable.

    Delusion #1 claims that Obama is ineligible because he was not born in the United States, and the State of Hawaii certified birth certificate is a forgery. Delusion #2 claims that Obama is ineligible because his father was not an...




    The "proven to be fraudulent" delusion is where you are in Right-Wing Fantasyland. Despite conclusive evidence from the State of Hawaii confirming Obama's birth ( http://hawaii.gov/health/vita... ), confirmation by both houses of Congress, and despite rejection from mainstream conservatives, the lunatic fringe still challenges his eligibility.

    Even Fox News reports expert opinion that the BC is authentic. See: http://www.foxnews.com/politi... ).

    NOTE: Fox's expert subsequently took issue with Fox's "authentic" claim, and posted “In my humble opinion, what I see about how the PDF is built does not prove any falsification. If there was tampering, we must look elsewhere and not how the PDF was created.” ( http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/31... ) Tremblay's double negative ("does not prove any falsification") may be reasonably interpreted as an endorsement.

    Coupled with a similar opinion from The National Review ( http://www.nationalreview.com... which also found no evidence of falsification, the consensus from leading conservative media is irrefutable.

    Delusion #1 claims that Obama is ineligible because he was not born in the United States, and the State of Hawaii certified birth certificate is a forgery. Delusion #2 claims that Obama is ineligible because his father was not an American. Delusion #3 claims that Obama is ineligible because he lost his American citizenship as a child. Delusion #4 claims that Frank Marshall Davis is actually Obama's father.

    Such delusional thinking is common among the paranoid-schizophrenic denizens of Right-Wing Fantasyland (see http://kaleokualoha2878577.ne...

    "Falsehoods not only disagree with truths, but usually quarrel among themselves."
    - Daniel Webster, American, Statesman Quotes
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  • Arizona... Kaleoku... 2012/06/19 04:51:57
    Arizona1950
    You keep saying there is conclusive evidence in favor of Obama being born in Hawaii ... but there isn't in fact there is more evidence that shows he probably wasn't.

  • Kaleoku... Arizona... 2012/06/19 05:16:31
    Kaleokualoha
    All that's necessary, however, is the short form. It is legally sufficient.
  • Arizona... Kaleoku... 2012/06/19 05:37:18
    Arizona1950
    All that is necessary is an original as the short form has also been questioned on its authenticity.

    Bottom line it really doesn't matter where the jerk was born he doesn't qualify to be president ... he is not a natural-born citizen as this requires both parents to be citizens of the US.
  • Kaleoku... Arizona... 2012/06/19 05:58:38
    Kaleokualoha
    Sorry, Grasshoppa, you can question the short form all you want. It is legally sufficient to prove birth in the United States.

    Bottom line is that parentage is irrelevant. Bottom line is that the OPERATIVE definition of NBC is "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government" (i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad). — Black’s Law Dictionary, Ninth Edition

    Bottom line is that he IS the President!
  • Arizona... Kaleoku... 2012/06/19 12:46:52
    Arizona1950
    Yes the short form that has the inverted numbers and partial signatures ... you mean that one.
  • JERSEYDUDE Kaleoku... 2012/06/16 20:51:33
    JERSEYDUDE
    +1
    natural born citizen - children born from two US citizens regardless of birth place as defined by the supreme court in 1875

    Obama is ineligible to be President and same goes for Mitt Romney
  • Kaleoku... JERSEYDUDE 2012/06/16 21:30:09
    Kaleokualoha
    Sorry, Grasshoppa, but parentage and purported "dual citizenship" are irrelevant: "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government" (i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad). — Black’s Law Dictionary, Ninth Edition ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). It is similar to the earlier Black's Law definition: Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad. (Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed., 1991, p.1026) - http://people.mags.net/tonche...

    This is perfectly reflected in a 2011 Congressional Research Service report:

    "The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” requ...









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    Sorry, Grasshoppa, but parentage and purported "dual citizenship" are irrelevant: "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government" (i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad). — Black’s Law Dictionary, Ninth Edition ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). It is similar to the earlier Black's Law definition: Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad. (Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed., 1991, p.1026) - http://people.mags.net/tonche...

    This is perfectly reflected in a 2011 Congressional Research Service report:

    "The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen."
    - http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mi...

    Those who try to redefine "natural born citizen" for their own agenda are no better than those who try to redefine "torture" (e.g., waterboarding) for their own agenda.

    Such rhetorical deception was highlighted in the story of Alice's adventures in "Through The Looking-Glass,"

    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone. "It means just what I choose it to mean - neither more or less."
    "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
    "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
    - Lewis Carroll, English author & recreational mathematician (1832 - 1898)

    Fortunately, the Rule of Law supersedes the Rule of Man in civilized societies.
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  • JERSEYDUDE Kaleoku... 2012/06/16 22:09:25
    JERSEYDUDE
    fortunately the rule of the supreme court supersedes this crap you just sent me
  • Kaleoku... JERSEYDUDE 2012/06/16 22:17:42 (edited)
    Kaleokualoha
    The SCOTUS, like the State of Hawaii, does not suffer fools gladly.

    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
  • JERSEYDUDE Kaleoku... 2012/06/16 22:31:44
    JERSEYDUDE
    thats great but....

    the supreme court STILL defined a natural born citizen in 1875 as a person born from two US citizens
  • Kaleoku... JERSEYDUDE 2012/06/16 22:42:32
    Kaleokualoha
    Interesting! Let's see how this plays out!
  • Arizona... Kaleoku... 2012/06/17 02:42:34
    Arizona1950
    Our founders did not recognize dual citizenship when it came to the Presidency ... it was natural-born being of two parents who were both American citizens.
  • Kaleoku... Arizona... 2012/06/17 04:40:04
    Kaleokualoha
    "Was" and "is" are two different things. A Natural Born Citizen IS as defined in Black's Law Dictionary and the United States Congress:

    "Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government"
  • Arizona... Kaleoku... 2012/06/17 13:37:34 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    A Natural born citizen in defined in the Law of Nations by Vattel of which the founders brought forth. You are talking citizen and not natural born otherwise the distinction between the two at the time of the adoption of the constitution would be irrelevant.

    Also the 14th Amendment was for the newly freed slave ... it has nothing to do with qualifications of natural born.
  • Arizona... Kaleoku... 2012/06/19 04:31:07
    Arizona1950
    U.S. Supreme Court case Minor v. Happersett from 1875 defining “natural born citizen” as the offspring of two citizens of the nation.

    "Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government." ~ James Madison
  • Arizona... JERSEYDUDE 2012/06/17 02:41:41
    Arizona1950
    Flop Obama for sure ... no so sure about Flip Romney.
  • JERSEYDUDE Arizona... 2012/06/17 05:56:31
    JERSEYDUDE
    why not? theyre sooooo similar in sooo many ways
  • Arizona... JERSEYDUDE 2012/06/17 13:39:56
    Arizona1950
    policies and direction ... they are almost identical.
  • Arizona... JERSEYDUDE 2012/06/19 04:27:24
    Arizona1950
    True about Obama ... but I don't think so about Flip Romney ... however it is true about Marco Rubio for the position of VP ... he is not natural-born.
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