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Does a COMMA make Barack Obama eligible, as a citizen, to run for President?

Rogue_Loner 2012/04/13 11:56:47
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Article II Section I clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States of America:



No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be
eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty
five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United
States.


a natural born citizen, ...OR...a citizen of the United States (COMMA) at the time of the adoption of this Constitution...

A comma is a punctuation mark used to separate clauses.


Does the indicated comma mean that only non natural born citizens in 1787 are eligible, or does it separate individual clauses "or a citizen" separated from "at the time"?

For Obama to be ineligible, would not the comma have to be omitted to read:
"or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution..."?
To ME, it sounds as if either a natural born citizen OR a citizen is eligible. Far be it from me to correct James Madison...lol.
Either way, who says punctuation is not important?
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  • Red Branch 2012/04/13 16:18:31
    It doesn't matter. Obama is a "blah, blah, blah"...
    Red Branch
    +23
    Punctuation was not standardized at the time the Constitution was written.
    Spelling was not standardized at this time either, not that it has been called into question at this time, it will probably be next in an effort to legitimize* the bamaster.

    If people are grasping at commas in an effort to legitimize Obama, his support fgr his case must be disappearing. A comma being smaller than a piece of straw, so this indicates some real weakness.

    * The term legitimize refers only to his citizenship status because there is NFW he can change the fact that his parents were not married.

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  • Arizona... Rogue_L... 2012/04/14 15:17:48
    Arizona1950
    But he is not ... so you are spreading an untruth.
  • Piper Rogue_L... 2012/04/14 16:43:15
    Piper
    +1
    Although I did not call you a "birther", the implication of your post is clear. "For Obama to be ineligible, would not the comma have to be omitted to read:
    "or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution..."?" Carol didn't call YOU a birther either; show me where she did. Unless one doesn't believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, the comma has nothing to do with the president's eligibility.
  • Rogue_L... Piper 2012/04/15 02:58:33 (edited)
  • Piper Rogue_L... 2012/04/15 03:47:26
    Piper
    +1
    You have changed the wording at the end of your text, it looks like. It's all fine........
    Carol did not call YOU anything. You did, however, say "Carol is a buzz word for lazy and illiterate". I already read everything, before I commented, and you have changed something in the text; "To ME, it sounds as if either a natural born citizen OR a citizen is eligible". That wasn't there before, and baiting people just to insult them is something that must be "fun" for you?
  • Rogue_L... Piper 2012/04/15 11:21:17 (edited)
  • Piper Rogue_L... 2012/04/15 18:55:13
    Piper
    Okay Rogue, whatever you say. I did, however, read your text numerous times, before I posted what I think is a an appropriate graphic. "Grasping at straws" would not be an appropriate graphic to me, because I am simply responding to something that you brought up, and I am not arguing about that particular subject.
    You still haven't shown me where Carol insulted you, or called YOU anything.
  • Builder Rogue_L... 2012/04/14 09:31:52
    Builder
    She said enough already, you said enough what, please explain. If this didn't apply to you, you could have passed it on by but you didn't. Also she didn't address this to you so you took it upon yourself to respond. I don't think she has anything to feel silly about. How about you?
  • Rogue_L... Builder 2012/04/14 11:52:25 (edited)
  • Jeremiah Lee 2012/04/13 16:52:46
  • Old Salt Jeremia... 2012/04/13 21:18:00
    Old Salt
    +3
    Where, exactly, does it say that in the Constitution?
  • Todd~AFCL Old Salt 2012/04/14 02:45:06
    Todd~AFCL
    +1
    It says Natural Born Citizen in the section this blog is about. A Natural Born Citizen is not subject to the jurisdiction of another country.
  • Arizona... Todd~AFCL 2012/04/14 15:18:58 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    or state as defined in the 14th Amendment. Anchor babies are clearly not natural-born. :-)
  • hari 2012/04/13 16:42:07
    Obama is ineligible because he wasn't a citizen in 1787.
    hari
    +2
    NOT ELIGIBLE BUT MANIPULATED WITHIN FRAME WORK OF LAWS
  • Seonag 2012/04/13 16:41:32
    Undecided. Let's think about this...
    Seonag
    +1
    Fine with me --- because that means both Bobby Jindal (who thinks he's not eligible since his parents were not citizens at the time of his birth in Louisiana) and Marco Rubio would be eligible for President. Suits me just fine!
  • Old Salt Seonag 2012/04/13 21:19:19
    Old Salt
    +3
    The citizenship of the parents is absolutely irrelevant to the issue of being eligible to run and serve as president. If a person was born in the United States, and is a citizen, and is over 35 years old, he/she is eligible. All of those things apply to Obama. Case Closed.
  • 56lady☆... Old Salt 2012/04/13 23:40:34
    56lady☆POTL JLA BTO-t- BCRA-F's
    +4
    YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!!

    At least ONE parent MUST be a United States Citizen to become President
  • LadyBGood 56lady☆... 2012/04/14 02:58:40
    LadyBGood
    +2
    There are 2 Old Salts?
  • 56lady☆... LadyBGood 2012/04/14 03:04:24
    56lady☆POTL JLA BTO-t- BCRA-F's
    +3
    IDK ?!?!?!?! HUMMMMMMMM never seen this Old Salt before !!

    obama sock
  • Todd~AFCL 56lady☆... 2012/04/14 03:25:57
    Todd~AFCL
    +3
    He very well could be a sock. His profile says he has only been here since the 1st of March.
  • 56lady☆... Todd~AFCL 2012/04/14 03:33:28
    56lady☆POTL JLA BTO-t- BCRA-F's
    +3
    but will the REAL Old Salt please stand up???
  • Todd~AFCL 56lady☆... 2012/04/14 03:44:51
    Todd~AFCL
    +3
    I sure hope so; he needs to do something with this imposter.
  • Arizona... Todd~AFCL 2012/04/14 15:25:32
    Arizona1950
    +2
    I'll send him a note ...
  • Old Salt 56lady☆... 2012/04/14 20:08:01
  • 56lady☆... Old Salt 2012/04/14 20:53:11
    56lady☆POTL JLA BTO-t- BCRA-F's
    +2
    AH HA The REAL OS magically appears !!

    There you are love ♥

    You had me worried there !! LOL :)

    watermelon on your head and your a pussy !!
  • Arizona... LadyBGood 2012/04/14 15:24:51
    Arizona1950
    +1
    Thank you ... I was really wondering what was going on. I really wish SH would address this problem of duplicate names and avatars.
  • Arizona... 56lady☆... 2012/04/14 15:23:50
    Arizona1950
    +2
    For natural-born it is both parents but in the days or our Founders all rights fell to the father so people are confused thinking it can be only one parent. However that is not how natural-born is defined.

    Either way Obama does not qualify as his daddy was a British subject and not an American citizen.
  • 56lady☆... Arizona... 2012/04/14 18:23:08
    56lady☆POTL JLA BTO-t- BCRA-F's
    +2
    thank you I stand corrected ....

    •Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, though from time to time that requirement is called into question, most recently after Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, was elected governor of California, in 2003. The Constitution originally provided a small loophole to this provision: One needn't have been born in the United States but had to be a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. But, since that occurred in 1789, that ship has sailed.
  • Arizona... 56lady☆... 2012/04/14 21:38:49
    Arizona1950
    +1
    It is only the Presidend and VP that have to natural-born. A naturalized citizen (former immigrant) is able to hold public office just not the 2 highest ones.
  • Seonag Old Salt 2012/04/14 12:40:58
    Seonag
    As I said, I'm sure Bobby Jindal and his supporters will be happy to hear this as he had already disqualified himself for NOT meeting the requirements as his parents weren't citizens when he was born on US soil.
  • Arizona... Old Salt 2012/04/14 15:21:27
    Arizona1950
    +1
    Still spreading the lie I see.
  • God bless American freedom 2012/04/13 16:31:51 (edited)
    Undecided. Let's think about this...
    God bless American freedom
    +6
    I am not even sure his legal name at the moment of his birth was Barack Hussein Obama , nor am I sure of the location of his birth.. or his true fathers name. I do know he is listed as a citizen of Indonesia.... but he refuses to release all of his American records... ( UNchanged American records ) and he has given over the years so many conflicting statements.. ?

    here he states he is not an American citizen and he was born in Kenya.. his wife also supports that ...



    http://www.bostonherald.com/n...

    or http://capoliticalnews.com/20...

    or http://www.washingtonpost.com... , not mosques... christian et al churches ...

    etc etc
  • God ble... God ble... 2012/04/15 13:06:44
  • Red Branch 2012/04/13 16:18:31
    It doesn't matter. Obama is a "blah, blah, blah"...
    Red Branch
    +23
    Punctuation was not standardized at the time the Constitution was written.
    Spelling was not standardized at this time either, not that it has been called into question at this time, it will probably be next in an effort to legitimize* the bamaster.

    If people are grasping at commas in an effort to legitimize Obama, his support fgr his case must be disappearing. A comma being smaller than a piece of straw, so this indicates some real weakness.

    * The term legitimize refers only to his citizenship status because there is NFW he can change the fact that his parents were not married.
  • Rogue_L... Red Branch 2012/04/13 16:22:41
  • Seonag Rogue_L... 2012/04/13 16:43:37
    Seonag
    +2
    Not very standardized (it's been Queens English since 1953) and always evolving.
  • Rogue_L... Seonag 2012/04/13 16:50:56 (edited)
  • Red Branch Rogue_L... 2012/04/13 16:44:43
    Red Branch
    +8
    I am talking about the King's English. It wasn't standardized until it was the Queen's English; as in Queen Victoria.
  • Rogue_L... Red Branch 2012/04/13 16:52:07
  • Red Branch Rogue_L... 2012/04/13 22:45:03
    Red Branch
    +9
    Wrong on both counts. There is a reason that a natural born citizen was defined in Hazel v Minor in 1875.

    If one seeks to determine the intent of the Constitution, you need to look in the Federalist Papers or the minutes of the Convention and the notes of the members taken during the same problem.
  • Always ... Rogue_L... 2012/04/14 13:29:52
    Always Right
    +3
    No way! The American people will never vote to change the US Constitution to allow a foreign bastard to be President of the United States!

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