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Does a candidate acquire the Gay/Lesbian vote by simply backing Same Sex Marriage?

CAPISCE 2012/08/17 16:52:36
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  • ♒ßεllεchεvεllε®♒ 2012/08/17 16:55:25
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    ♒ßεllεchεvεllε®♒
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    it looks like that's what some politicians believe.... and truthfully, i have met people who have voted for a specific candidate solely on their stance on a singular issue. personally, i find it.....sad.

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  • iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~ 2012/09/07 20:30:47
    no, site example
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    But candidates certainly lose the gay and lesbian vote, much of the time, by running against marriage equality.

    (note: if you want citations of groups that support Republican candidates, see GOProud: http://www.goproud.org/page.a... and the Log Cabin Republicans: http://www.logcabin.org/site/...

    (note part 2: "site example" is wrong...the word is "cite" which is short for citation).
  • CAPISCE iamthem... 2012/09/07 20:49:20
    CAPISCE
    Single issue voters are a sad lot
  • iamthem... CAPISCE 2012/09/07 20:52:55
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    It's unfortunate that candidates force the issue by denying civil rights and equality to citizens.
  • CAPISCE iamthem... 2012/09/07 20:56:57
    CAPISCE
    Amendment 10 of the constitution. This is a state level issue not Federal---31 states voted on same sex marriage and 31 states voted it down.
    It's not the candidates making this decision, it's the people. Respect the people
  • iamthem... CAPISCE 2012/09/07 21:04:21
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    Amendment 14 of the Constitution. States are not allowed to discriminate against their citizens based on innate differences.
  • CAPISCE iamthem... 2012/09/07 21:06:12
    CAPISCE
    So you should be able to marry your poodle? It doesn't apply
  • iamthem... CAPISCE 2012/09/07 21:08:26
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    Nope.

    Are you actually arguing that poodles are considered "persons" under the U.S. Constitution?

    No. Your argument is inapplicable as we are talking about legal persons, and U.S. citizens.
  • CAPISCE iamthem... 2012/09/07 21:09:25
    CAPISCE
    No---but the PERSON who wants to marry his poodle has rights, doesn't he?
  • iamthem... CAPISCE 2012/09/07 21:10:32
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    A marriage is about two contracting parties.

    Can an animal contract?

    Be honest.
  • CAPISCE iamthem... 2012/09/07 21:12:10
    CAPISCE
    Adult siblings? By the way where did you come up with the "TWO"?
  • iamthem... CAPISCE 2012/09/07 21:31:40
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    So you do admit that contracts cannot exist between anything but human parties, and your argument about animals was inappropriate, correct?

    We can't move forward in the discussion until we establish that.
  • CAPISCE iamthem... 2012/09/07 21:33:51
    CAPISCE
    yes
  • iamthem... CAPISCE 2012/09/07 21:41:56
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    Alright.

    I believe that marriage, in the state, civil sense, is about the legal establishment of a committed family unit.

    That means that it's not about sex. It's not religious. It's not about reproduction. Therefore, if siblings want to get married, I see no problem with it.

    Example: there are two sisters in Britain. They're elderly, and one has benefits, and neither are planning on marrying an SO in the future. They should be able to get married. Why not?

    As for MULTIPLE parties...there are more issues there. Considering that the entire legal system contemplates two partners, the revamping necessary to include more is profound.
  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/08/23 13:04:59
    no, site example
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    I don't generally support the candidate that supports gay marriage, because that is irrelevant to me and I don't care about their views on social issues, I just care about them fixing the economy.
  • CAPISCE Anonymo... 2012/08/24 02:13:16
    CAPISCE
    I hear ya.
  • Reichstolz 2012/08/21 16:19:53
    Yes
    Reichstolz
    +2
    The gay agenda does not require any more action from politicians than agreement. That is why their movement changes no hearts or minds in the populous. They leave politicians who are smart enough to pander to their deviance.
  • JCD aka... Reichstolz 2012/08/21 16:37:40
    JCD aka "biz"
    I'm not sure the populace considers homosexuality as a "deviance".
  • Reichstolz JCD aka... 2012/08/21 16:40:16
    Reichstolz
    +2
    Look up the definition.
    Behavior outside of societal norms is deviant. You are yet another testament to the ignorance present in our populace. No wonder why this nation has no sense of itself.
    facepalm
  • JCD aka... Reichstolz 2012/08/21 16:48:16
    JCD aka "biz"
    +2
    Thanks.
  • CAPISCE JCD aka... 2012/08/21 19:13:12
    CAPISCE
    +1
    Not sure about "deviance" but 31 states voted on same sex and all 31 states voted it down
  • JCD aka... CAPISCE 2012/08/21 20:44:23
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    Thanks for the info.
  • frozenKmadness 2012/08/21 16:03:17
    no, site example
    frozenKmadness
    The candidate wouldn't acquire my vote just for backing same sex marriage.
  • CAPISCE frozenK... 2012/08/21 16:07:49
    CAPISCE
    Thank you--you proved my point how a the Homosexuals vote is nothing but a vote for same sex marriage--the country's debt, unemployment are a after thought. Freaking sad, narrow minded and one dimensional
  • frozenK... CAPISCE 2012/08/21 16:19:39
    frozenKmadness
    +2
    Sorry?... I said I wouldn't vote for somebody just because they think gay marriage is okay. I wouldn't really vote for someone who is against it, though.
  • CAPISCE frozenK... 2012/08/21 19:13:49
    CAPISCE
    +1
    OH---my bad----lol
  • frozenK... CAPISCE 2012/08/22 21:31:20
    frozenKmadness
    =]
  • JCD aka... CAPISCE 2012/08/21 16:38:48
    JCD aka "biz"
    +2
    Are you sure you've read frozenKmadness' s comment?
  • CAPISCE JCD aka... 2012/08/21 19:14:11
    CAPISCE
    +2
    misread my bad
  • JCD aka... CAPISCE 2012/08/21 20:45:11
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    Happens to me once in a while too.
  • Jack's Pearl 2012/08/21 15:57:56
    no, site example
    Jack's Pearl
    I'm sure it's a big influence but if the guy is an oaf then it may not matter.
  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/08/21 15:55:27
    Yes
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +1
    They will get majority of them, Yes
  • Chris- Demon of the PHAET 2012/08/20 12:44:01
    no, site example
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +1
    This is a complicated question. I think it's far more likely a politician who aggressively argues against same-sex marriage will lose LGBT votes than a politician who supports it will gain them. The truth is Congressmen, Senators, and even the President have limited power to actually effect the outcome of this issue and LGBT people are well aware of those who cater to us for donations and votes. (Does attending a Human Rights Campaign event with a red ribbon on your lapel really mean anything?)

    Bottom line? We do what most voters do; weigh the pros and cons, decide what is most important to us, and pull the lever.
  • CAPISCE Chris- ... 2012/08/20 12:54:00
    CAPISCE
    +1
    It's funny because if Sodahead/the news networks/facebook/hollywood and my personal life are any reflection on society I have not found one Homosexual who votes for a candidate who does not support same sex marriage---personally I don't think they ever go any further than that issue if the two candidates have different opinions---that is very sad in my opinion
  • Chris- ... CAPISCE 2012/08/20 16:11:24
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    I can only give my opinion. I am always skeptical of short answers to complicated questions. Your example of the two candidates with opposing opinions shows the problem with simple answers. If I was given only that choice I would answer "I vote for the supporter of same-sex marriage." Why wouldn't I? But don't forget gays overwhelmingly voted for Bill Clinton and he signed DOMA into law. I don't think it's as simple as most people believe.
  • CAPISCE Chris- ... 2012/08/20 19:19:46
    CAPISCE
    The point I'm making is that is the sole issue most, if not all ,decide the homosexuals vote if the candidates are opposed on the Same Sex issue.
    So far not one Homosexual or Bi-Sexual has proven me wrong
  • Chris- ... CAPISCE 2012/08/20 21:10:21
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +2
    I understand what you're saying Jay1, but the truth is you are basing this assumption on your own observations. I have no doubt where a candidate stands on any "gay" issue influences how a gay man or woman votes. Pro-life supporters, fiscal conservatives, those against the war, etc...do the same. We all vote based on self interest.

    You believe it goes one step farther. You're trying to prove gay men and women are one issue voters who will put all other concerns aside if favor of a candidate who supports same-sex marriage.

    Nothing is ever that simple when you talk about an entire group of people. You need to start using words like, "generally speaking" " have a tendency to..." and "many seem to...".
  • CAPISCE Chris- ... 2012/08/21 12:58:39
    CAPISCE
    +1
    All I'm saying is I personally have been exposed to only one Homosexual that supports a candidate for big issues other than there stance against Same Sex marriage---she is a distant relative.
    You are correct---many other examples can be noted--abortion, Immigration are similar---in my opinion single issue voters are fools and selfish
  • Chris- ... CAPISCE 2012/08/21 13:23:55
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +1
    I tend to agree with you on this. If we elect a person based on only one issue, we end up with a leader who can handle only one issue.

    I guess I go back to my original statement. I would not support someone who aggressively opposed same-sex marriage. But I would not vote for someone simply because they supported it.

    Remember this conversation if that situation ever comes up in the future and ask me how I voted. :-)
  • CAPISCE Chris- ... 2012/08/21 13:45:07
  • Just me ∞ijm♥G☮F♀U∞ 2012/08/19 03:33:57
    Yes
    Just me ∞ijm♥G☮F♀U∞
    +2
    I'm sure it probably earns them a majority of the G/L vote and why people vote on candidates over one topic is beyond me.

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