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Doctors ready to quit? Why?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/11 14:51:27
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The Doctor-Patient Medical Association is a new idea. Why should doctors and patients fight one another? The DPMA has a new message: doctor and patient have the same interest, deal with the same reality, and sometimes have the same enemies.


From April 18 to May 22, 2012, the DPMA asked doctors across the
country about the putative President’s health care reform bill, and
about other frustrating things that doctors have to deal with. Two days
ago they published their Physician Attitudes Survey.
Most of the 699 doctors who answered the survey are in solo, group, or
office practice. (Eleven percent are in hospital-based practice. That
could include the doctors who run the lab, the emergency room, and the
X-ray department, and put you to sleep when other doctors operate on
you. But it could also include internists and even surgeons who see all
their patients in one hospital and even draw a hospital salary.) More
than three out of four were in the middle of their careers. (House
officers, the “Young Doctor Kildares” did not answer this survey.)


Their answers should make everyone take notice. Nine in ten said that
medicine was on the wrong track, and five in six thought about
quitting. Some of them might have to quit: two in three say they are
barely breaking even or losing money on their practices.


They don’t want the government to help them. They just want the
government to get out. And it’s not that they “don’t care.” Slightly
more than half of them would rather treat some patients free of charge and not deal with Medicare or Medicaid to treat the same patient.


I want to focus on what is best for my patients and not
what a government official deems cost effective…I would be willing to do
charity care weekly for the poor and underinsured if there was tort
reform.


For that matter, they think medicine is off the rails as it is.
Medicine, as they must practice it today, harms the doctor-patient
relationship. For that they mostly blame the government. But they also blame the big insurers, and the big corporate hospital systems.


The best single thing that can repair most problems, the doctors
said, is for the government to get out. But further than that, patients
should ditch the insurers and start paying their bills directly. So
naturally those doctors want to see the kind of reform that would let a
patient do that. One doctor said:


Only the free market will fix this mess. We need to
eliminate government and government-protected corporate greed from
medical care.


Reporters miss the point

Liberal reporters belittled the survey. That should surprise no one. But The Daily Caller did not do such a good job, either. They picked up on the five in six doctors ready to quit medicine. But they didn’t pick up on the other things the doctors said. They at least let Kathryn Serkes, co-founder of the DPMA, sum up:


Doctors clearly understand what Washington does not —
that a piece of paper that says you are “covered” by insurance or
“enrolled” in Medicare or Medicaid does not translate to actual medical
care when doctors can’t afford to see patients at the lowball payments,
and patients have to jump through government and insurance company
bureaucratic hoops.


But they missed this gem:


Are there any long-term Government run programs that aren’t riddled with inefficiency and corruption?


Nor did they quote any of the other opinions that doctors expressed. Yes, doctors blame the government, but not only the government.


When the airlines were taken over by business instead of
being run by pilots, the industry went to hell. Same thing has happened
to “healthcare”— doctors used to run hospitals and their practices. Now
they are “providers.”


An old problem

The problem, and the debate, are decades old. Ayn Rand called the doctor “the forgotten man of socialized medicine.” In Atlas Shrugged, she said this:


In all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of
medicine, men discussed everything—except the desires of the doctors.
Men considered only the “welfare” of the patients, with no thought for
those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right,
desire or choice in the matter, was regarded as irrelevant selfishness;
his is not to choose, they said, but “to serve.” That a man willing to
work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in
the stockyards—never occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by
making life impossible for the healthy.


Enslavement can take many forms. Sometimes it starts with programs
that offer carrots first, and sticks later. Before Medicare or Medicaid,
doctors-in-training often worked for “slave” wages. The late William A.
Nolen (The Making of a Surgeon), who trained at Bellevue Hospital in the era when Atlas Shrugged came out, earned $780 a year as an intern and about three times as much as a chief resident.


Nobody, at least nobody with a family, could get by on these wages,


Medicare changed everything. House officers today earn not much less
than police officers or teachers in a public school. When Medicare
started to fund care for the elderly, it funded training of doctors
after medical school. The old-school attending doctors often resented
the new trainees, who had no concept of what their economics had been
like:


In my day, I sold my blood for toothpaste money!


But these new salaries also got doctors used to having the government
pick up the tab for everything. Now they’re afraid to lose all the
“benefits.” An empty belly can be as strong a chain as iron. (The
attendings have their own “hook”: federal and other government grants.)


They also developed no concept of the value of a patient’s means. No
one was going to tell them, as a private attending once told Dr. Nolen:


Please don’t order all those expensive blood chemistries
on Mr. R___. He can’t afford them and I don’t understand them anyway. In
two days he’ll be eating and drinking, and he won’t get into any
trouble in so short a time.


Today it’s worse. Doctors order everything because they’re afraid that someone will sue them if they don’t!


Charity patients never have to worry about how much their care will
cost. But private patients don’t have that worry, either. They find out
later, only if “insurance doesn’t cover it.”


No wonder doctors are ready to quit. Obamacare might push
some of them over the edge. But doctors have been ready to quit for
years. You have to read all the results of that survey to get that message.

So what do you think? Why might five in six doctors be ready to quit?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/11 14:56:51
    All of the above
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +16
    If you read the whole survey (follow the link), you know that doctors have *a lot* of reasons to be fed up.

    Obamacare is merely the latest in a long string of outrages, and subtle enslavements, that I have watched happen to medicine all my life. And I did some of that watching from the inside. The attending who complained about selling his blood for toothpaste money, said it to me, when I was a medical student.

    Of course, I learned another thing: When you're a medical student, if you're not a liberal, you have no heart. But when you become an intern ("first-year resident"), if you do not at the same time become a conservative, you have no brain. Your first tax return tends to put things in focus double-quick. Sadly, a lot of my fellow residents never learned--at least, not during residency. They're figuring it out now.

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  • Beccy FeedFwd 2012/07/15 17:43:25
    Beccy
    +1
    I think we had better medical care in the 50's before all the insurance
  • FeedFwd Beccy 2012/07/16 12:15:31
    FeedFwd
    +2
    We probably did have better care, even though obviously we didn't have as many treatment options. Doctors still made house calls back then, but they didn't do heart transplants, for example. ;)
  • Beccy FeedFwd 2012/07/18 03:04:46
    Beccy
    +1
    Maybe that was a good thing
  • TruBluTopaz 2012/07/12 01:09:50
    All of the above
    TruBluTopaz
    +3
    Medicine, like teaching, has become a career where true excellence is seldom rewarded and the recipients are seldom appreciative. In some cultures, notably Asian cultures, being a doctor is one of the highest aspirations, much of that is shaped by expectations of high income. Those paradigms are changing. The pressure for the highest ranking academic student to pursue medicine will sink as education before it lost importance. Our doctors will be mere facilitators ruled by outside forces based on economic return.
  • John Hall 2012/07/12 00:55:22
    Obamacare
    John Hall
    +2
    My Dr said he will no longer except new Medicare patients and thought about early retirement .
  • Walt 2012/07/12 00:49:18
    Obamacare
    Walt
    +3
    Most private practices have dealt with accepting Medicare and private insurance for a long time now, but 0bamacare is the straw that will break the camel's back. It's not just a problem with a reduced payment schedule. It's a problem with having constant oversight and having to get the required approval from unqualified government clerical personnel to perform even the minimum standard of care.

    Under those conditions, what is needed are trained monkeys, not physicians.
  • lee 2012/07/12 00:43:42
    None of the above
    lee
    +3
    if a doctor is only in it for the money, then we are better off without him...
  • Turings... lee 2012/07/12 00:56:49
    TuringsChild
    +2
    In that case you're gonna LOVE what Obamacare is about to do.
  • lee Turings... 2012/07/12 00:57:56
  • Turings... lee 2012/07/12 01:02:15
    TuringsChild
    +2
    Enjoy doing surgery on your own children because there ARE no doctors to fix them up after an accident.
  • lee Turings... 2012/07/12 01:04:12
    lee
    +3
    i am not afraid of that happening.

    i feel sorry for you.
  • Turings... lee 2012/07/12 01:12:14
    TuringsChild
    +2
    And I feel sorry for you. You have a nasty surprise coming.
  • Bilingu... Turings... 2012/07/12 02:55:34
    Bilingual required sucks
    +2
    That entire report is false. Most doctors support the Affordable Care Act.
  • Temlako... lee 2012/07/12 18:05:29
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Just a minute, neighbor.

    Do you mean, you honestly don't expect that to happen?

    Or do you mean, you are ready for it when it does?
  • lee Temlako... 2012/07/12 18:15:26
    lee
    +1
    i don't expect that to happen.... the fear mongering you are listening to is nothing more than that.... fear mongering.
  • Temlako... lee 2012/07/12 18:20:20
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Get ready for Armageddon, then.
  • lee Temlako... 2012/07/12 18:35:07
    lee
    +1
    Armageddon... really?

    hyperbolic much?
  • WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA 2012/07/12 00:34:03
    Obamacare
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    They know how bad Medicaid is, they know Obamacare will be worse as it is much more like Medicaid than Medicare.

    obamacaresucks
  • Kiosk Kid 2012/07/12 00:29:23 (edited)
    Obamacare
    Kiosk Kid
    +2
    Why put up with Marxist Liberals when you don't have too?
  • Bilingual required sucks 2012/07/11 23:48:26 (edited)
    None of the above
    Bilingual required sucks
    +5
    The Doctorwho? The AMA the American Medical Association and it's members have given overwhelming support to the Affordable Care Act. The Doctor-Patient Medical Association is not an official group or official anything, probably some made up Republican group that opposes Obamacare.



    http://liberalvaluesblog.com/...

    http://www.dailydisruption.co...
  • trentin... Bilingu... 2012/07/12 02:03:51
    trentinafur
    +4
    Exactly, Bilingual. As I've pointed out to these jokes/jokers - why would people go to some "organization" (using the term very loosely here...) that is on NO one's radar scope to find out what Docs think about the ACA. The AMA is BY A COUNTRY MILE the largest association of Docs in the country.

    The answers of course: they don't like that the AMA supports what the ACA is doing as a helluva good starting point.

    So they find these podunk websites which are set up specifically to give a different answer.

    It's pretty funny. Smarties will get it in a sec. I suppose there are some hillibillies who will buy this dung.
  • Bilingu... trentin... 2012/07/12 02:15:45
    Bilingual required sucks
    +3
    ". I suppose there are some hillibillies who will buy this dung."

    It is so unfortunate that rural, southern, mostly uneducated people will buy this crap, hook line and sinker, without checking a single fact. Some don't even have computers, so when they hear this reported on FOX they swallow it all, and they will truly believe 83% of doctors are quitting and it's all Obamas' fault. It is so sad that Republicans deceive the people that support them, without remorse. I couldn't do it, I have a conscience.
  • Steve Bilingu... 2012/07/13 05:27:54
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/07/11 23:32:40
    None of the above
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    I wouldn't sweat it too much.... once these overpaid spoiled brats find out there are no other jobs out there and they can't buy a new BMW every year, they will stick with being doctors.
  • Prairie Wind 2012/07/11 23:12:12
    All of the above
    Prairie Wind
    +3
    It's a business. Why shouldn't they make a profilt just like any other business?
    Otherwise, they'll find something else to support themselves and their own families. If they migrate, I can't blame them one bit.
  • texasred 2012/07/11 21:56:59
    Obamacare
    texasred
    +4
    And over regulation which requires reams of paperwork. It must be difficult to spend that much time learning and not being able to really practice medicine.
  • Cal 2012/07/11 21:33:29
    Obamacare
    Cal
    +5
    Obamacare. More risk to practice, higher malpractice insurance, less income, less rights of practice.
  • FeedFwd 2012/07/11 21:29:50
    All of the above
    FeedFwd
    +5
    Whenever government meddles with the free market, choice and competition inevitably decline leaving both buyers and sellers in the market poorer or worse off.
  • Bilingu... FeedFwd 2012/07/11 23:52:54 (edited)
    Bilingual required sucks
    +1
    F*ck your so called "Free Market". Socialism rules.

    You conservatives just want the government out of the way so the health insurance companies can do whatever they please, whenever they please, that is the ONLY reason for Republican opposition to the Affordable Care Act.
  • FeedFwd Bilingu... 2012/07/12 00:12:39
    FeedFwd
    +3
    Truly that is one of the most compelling arguments and intelligent discourse I've seen from a liberal in a long time!
  • Walt FeedFwd 2012/07/12 00:51:38
    Walt
    +4
    And convincing! I know he has me convinced!

    Hahaha!
  • FeedFwd Walt 2012/07/12 01:21:52
    FeedFwd
    +2
    Hit and run? Even though other liberals are sometimes even dumber, at least they hang around for a while. We will see. ;)
  • Bilingu... FeedFwd 2012/07/12 01:28:05 (edited)
    Bilingual required sucks
    +1
    Oh yeah because you conservatives endlessly repeat the same crap, eg. job creators, lower taxes for the rich equal jobs, free market enterprise, it all just gets pretty sickening, sometimes Liberals just have to mouth off. How long do you people use the exact same words before even you yourselves get tired of hearing them?
  • FeedFwd Bilingu... 2012/07/12 01:35:02
    FeedFwd
    +1
    Perhaps you are right. But is there a rebuttal or a point, or do you just hate the truth? If you don't want to make a credible argument or engage in honest debate, then why comment at all? If you are sick of it, why hang around?
  • Bilingu... FeedFwd 2012/07/12 01:43:54
    Bilingual required sucks
    There is no debate you people are all corporatist lemmings, you have no problem with our government being bought and sold to the highest bidding corporation on all levels. It is all just revolting.
  • FeedFwd Bilingu... 2012/07/12 02:08:28
    FeedFwd
    +3
    Actually that would be false. I am certainly against corporate welfare and against influence peddling. It is the elitists statists in both parties, democrat and republican who are selling the government, which is why we need to cut government power and influence. For every ADM, there is a GE and a Solyndra. For every Exxon Mobil, there is a GM. How quickly we forget that some of the biggest supporters of Obama were Wall Street financiers. Wake up! We need everybody's help to reign in the corporate plutocracy.
  • Bilingu... FeedFwd 2012/07/12 02:18:59
    Bilingual required sucks
    +1
    That I will agree with. I certainly do not think Mitt is going to help us reign in the corporate plutocracy, so I'm going with the other guy.
  • FeedFwd Bilingu... 2012/07/12 02:32:30
    FeedFwd
    +2
    I doubt I could change your mind, no matter how hard I tried. I'm not thrilled about Mitt. I deplore Obama. He has his own friends in corporate America... Buffett and Immelt to name 2. He is also cozy with unions, which are squandering (IMHO) union worker dues for political purposes and not necessarily for the good of the rank and file members. He has never met a green company that he didn't want to give half a billion or so to and if the money goes to Finland or Mexico or Denmark... well so much the better. He has no respect for American history and tradition. At a time when everybody is having to tighten their belts, he is like Nero fiddling away... or golfing or sending the wife and kids on exotic trips. If we weren't already borrowing almost 50 cents of every dollar spent, it might not be such a big issue. But our debt is ginormous, our credit rating has fallen, and the only reason we haven't completely crashed is because the US Dollar remains the reserve currency of the world. It is already starting to change as some oil contracts are now being negotiated in other currencies. When that happens, none of us are going to know what hit the fan. Well... some of us will, but none of us will be able to do much about it except hunker down and possibly move to a primitive bartering economy or something.
  • Bilingu... FeedFwd 2012/07/12 02:42:10
    Bilingual required sucks
    +1
    Well I respectfully disagree, I think you're a bit too much into the "doom and gloom" if I may be so bold, but thank you for taking the time for explaining your point of view.
  • FeedFwd Bilingu... 2012/07/12 03:01:56
    FeedFwd
    +2
    I am concerned. Well thank you for the discussion. Better than hit and run name calling and vapid throw away lines. I enjoyed it. It's okay to disagree, but discussion can be enlightening and enjoyable.

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