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Tasine 2012/07/09 15:11:54
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China's attempt at a high-speed rail network is fraught with corrupt
officials, impossible costs, and deadly safety failures. But U.S.
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood wishes America would follow it as a
model.



LaHood told The Cable last week:

The Chinese are more successful [in building infrastructure]
because in their country, only three people make the decision. In our
country, 3,000 people do, 3 million. In a country where only three
people make the decision, they can decide where to put their rail line,
get the money, and do it. We don't do it that way in America.


His comments are stunning. Yes, that's how Communists do it: A few
people make decisions for the country and control the money, land,
resources, and workers. And how has that worked out?

The bottom line is that high-speed rail is like pouring money down a
hole. China's official institutions aren't known for transparency, but
according to the Voice of America, "Even the [Chinese] national research
institution, the Academy of Science, reported last year that at current
investment and estimated passenger numbers, the trains will never collect enough in fares to repay construction loans."



LaHood—and President Obama—advocate high-speed rail in America by
evoking the image of thousands of workers on the project. It's part of
their stimulus-funded plan to get America back to work. But once again,
China's experience demonstrates that government spending on infrastructure has not helped the Chinese economy.
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Just like this Administration! Drive businesses out of America, then realize they must do something to provide jobs, have no real ideas of any substance so copy what other countries are already failing at. This Administration is a dangerous grab bag. If we don't stop these fools SOON, we won't have anything left to save!

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  • john Kills 2012/07/09 16:36:33
    NO
    john Kills
    +6
    But that is what is going to happen very soon if the people don't forcibly stand up against our government.

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  • Red 2012/07/31 09:58:12
  • Muriel 2012/07/11 16:31:21
    NO
    Muriel
    +1
    Good grief why would you even ask such a question? It is beyond me!
  • gregaj7 2012/07/10 00:29:38
    NO
    gregaj7
    +1
    You mean we aren't?!?
  • Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA 2012/07/09 22:52:21
    NO
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Only liberals want that.
  • Charles R. Anderson 2012/07/09 22:40:17
    NO
    Charles R. Anderson
    +2
    I want to live in the U.S.A. under the American Principle of equal, sovereign individual rights and a highly limited government that protects individual rights. I want a rich and robust private sector. I am very happy to see our central planners frustrated by the difficulty they have forcing their mandates down our throats, even as they hold a gun to our heads.

    Down with the tyranny of ObamaCare!!!!!
  • Vision of Verve 2012/07/09 21:08:14
  • Striker 2012/07/09 18:57:50
    NO
    Striker
    +3
    If some people believe that high-speed rail is necessary and good, then they form a corporation and build one. It is totally immoral to steal money via using some government to build one, which forces others to pay for it even if they have no need for it.

    So right there is all the reason needed to NOT burden all the people merely so that some few can see their dreams fulfilled. So if China is forcing their stupidity upon it's populace with this, why would we want the same?
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/07/09 17:40:20
    Undecided
    Lady Whitewolf
    The republicans do!
  • Old Salt Lady Wh... 2012/07/31 20:20:39
    Old Salt
    +3
    Do you lower yourself like this often?
  • UGH...L... Old Salt 2012/07/31 20:29:16
    UGH...LIBS ~ PWCM ~ JLA ~
    +2
    Do you have to ask?
  • Tasine 2012/07/09 17:20:34
    NO
    Tasine
    +4
    No, I would like us to be as we were before our politicians destroyed it. China is Communist but had to accept capitalism as a means of maintaining itself, and our officials rapidly cleaned our country out of products and services to satisfy the left and the Sierra Club and the Climate change channelers. China is on the upswing - We are on the downswing, but we DO NOT WANT TO BE CHINA. We want to be what we once were - the leader in industry, in freedoms, in buying power - UNTIL WE STARTED CATERING TO THE LEFT.

    Some of the posters here answered "Yes" they want to be like China. Heaven help them for such a reckless answer. One has to question the motives of any American who would rather have China than the US as any kind of model. Where have Americans put their priorities? Why not work to remake America what it once was instead of even hinting we would be better off to be like any communist country?

    I cannot believe some of what I see written on this thread. Everyone has the right to say what he believes, and I have the right to think you don't know diddly about the world either as it is or as it was.
  • R. Tasine 2012/07/09 19:05:34 (edited)
    R.
    +1
    With all due respect to all the posters here , the way the qusetion is worded leaves
    it wrought with ambiguity. The ones who answered yes ( myself included ) tend to
    first look at the positive and then the negative. Of course no one wants to " be like "
    any communists country but to be experiencing the growth they are in their economy and their middle class and the lack of political correctness and the mere fact that they ENFORCE their rules are all things I would like for us to have in this country. As for
    the corruptness in their government , the cost overruns and the spending of taxpayer monies on things that that have little or no return on investment (ROI) , heck , we are just like them now. They have three people deciding whats good for a billion people and we have a community organizer and a cabinet of czars deciding for millions.
    It is scary similar. Take away our constitution and the bill of rights, which are being
    ignored anyway , there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of difference outside the
    the things mentioned.
  • Tasine R. 2012/07/10 00:08:21
    Tasine
    I unfortunately "assumed" the word "Communist" in the question would get the attention, NOT the word rapid transit. LOL. And I KNOW that "assumption" is the mother of most screw-ups. I could have worded the question better.
  • Vieuphoria 2012/07/09 17:10:30 (edited)
    Undecided
    Vieuphoria
    +1
    You people have no idea what communism is.



    China is one of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world. If you think it's communism then surely you support if. If not, then you should realise they are as capitalist as us. It's their government who is corrupt to the core. Don't confuse what they have with Communism.
  • Striker Vieuphoria 2012/07/09 18:32:18 (edited)
    Striker
    +5
    So you support communism even if it is corrupt to the core. Give yourself a few years to grasp the Right to Life.
  • Vieuphoria Striker 2012/07/09 19:24:30
    Vieuphoria
    I don't support communism any more than capitalism. They're both easily corrupted.

    Communism itself isn't any more "rotten to the core" than capitalism. No matter what you've been brainwashed to think. Humanity and economic systems don't mix. Every system is easily corrupted, look at our capitalist systems being run by the minority. Not so different than capitalism when you really think about it.
  • Striker Vieuphoria 2012/07/09 19:35:25
    Striker
    +4
    Difference. Governments, as in communist or otherwise, are somehow allowed to use Force. That's not true of capitalism. The only valid "human" system is pure Liberty.
  • Old Salt Striker 2012/07/31 20:27:44
    Old Salt
    +1
    Such was a "trial" by China when it took over soverign control of Hong Kong, was it not?
  • Striker Old Salt 2012/07/31 20:30:26
    Striker
    +2
    I really don't recall how that came down.
  • Old Salt Striker 2012/07/31 20:47:11
    Old Salt
    +2
    1997, yes? It was basically the ONLY out that the British had to go by? They knew they could not defend it as a territory, yet the Chinese KNEW they could not convert the people living there to absolute Communism! Besides, Hong Kong alone was feeding its entire population!
  • Striker Old Salt 2012/07/31 21:02:16 (edited)
    Striker
    +2
    Which says that China "won" by default, and that those of Hong Kong never had a choice. Meanwhile communist China using some unknown version of capitalism has become a world leader in trade. Hard to grasp.
  • Old Salt Striker 2012/08/13 19:17:24
    Old Salt
    +1
    Well.... once Hong Kong was seen to have provided such a boost to the Chinese capital, they took that same "capitalistic" idea to Bejing and other major areas.... yet it is restricted to be ONLY by govt oversight!

    Hmmmmm kinda like obama is trying out here! :(
  • Old Salt Vieuphoria 2012/07/31 20:26:48
    Old Salt
    +1
    So, where did China get ALL of its worth? Was Hong Kong not a British territory till 1997 with the assurance of leaving it a "capitalistic" city after China takeover? Hmmmmmmmm... Now, when did China start to become a World Economy?
  • Vieuphoria Old Salt 2012/07/31 21:04:34
    Vieuphoria
    SO you would like to be like communist china?
  • Old Salt Vieuphoria 2012/08/13 19:18:54
    Old Salt
    No... outside the "capitalism" zones, there is STILL no freedom in China! Controlled capitalism is allowed... pretty much what obama is trying to do in the U.S.! :(
  • Vieuphoria Old Salt 2012/08/13 19:23:00
    Vieuphoria
    It's nothing like what Obama is doing. Do you honestly believe that is what he's trying to do?
  • Old Salt Vieuphoria 2012/08/13 19:56:12
    Old Salt
    If you are SERIOUSLY asking me.... YES! Before you start calling me ugly names, I'd be happy to fill you in on some "SPECIFIC" areas which I answer yes! :)
  • Vieuphoria Old Salt 2012/08/13 19:57:56
    Vieuphoria
    What makes you think I would call you ugly names? Odd thing to say?

    There is a difference between a dictatorship and an an economic structure.
  • Old Salt Vieuphoria 2012/08/13 20:04:58
    Old Salt
    So are you saying you WANT me to tell you? Im serious on this because I will take the time to explain something to you that I don't think you know.... not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to pass something along!

    So, IF you are interested, let me know! I do not wish to waste my time on such a serious statement IF you are not willing to read and apply! OS
  • Vieuphoria Old Salt 2012/08/13 20:10:08
    Vieuphoria
    +1
    Only if you realise what you're about to tell me is not rooted in fact. Economic and Social concepts are not fact, they are concepts. Both work in theory, and neither are to be feared. It depends entirely on ones outlook as to which one should be adopted.

    Ok... Shoot...
  • Old Salt Vieuphoria 2012/08/13 20:30:04
    Old Salt
    Do you know what “BOND” means? Bond is perhaps the most solid statement of a promise that any person can make! “My word is my Bond” is only made by those who respect truth and not "theory," yes?

    When something is tied together, it is many times easy to come apart. However, if it is BONDED, never shall it be separated.

    In the financial world, a BOND is the most coveted means of investment in any times, especially though in troubled times. A BOND is a 100% rock solid agreement that money will be paid back! In any case of Bankruptcy, any court will FIRST look at the BOND holder to be paid before any other person or loaning entity. The United States issues Savings BONDS. They’re not the greatest return on investment, but they are sought after only because they carry the FULL FAITH AND PROMISE of the United States govt to be honored and paid!

    General Motors went belly-up because Union Members would not give in and negotiate with corporate owners! In steps the U.S. Govt, under the premises that GM is “Too Big To Fail” came in to the rescue. Not to mention, of course, Union Bosses are in the kitchen of the White House negotiating privately with obama their demands for a future GM!

    So… what was the FINAL outcome of General Motors? The President of the United States announces t...



    Do you know what “BOND” means? Bond is perhaps the most solid statement of a promise that any person can make! “My word is my Bond” is only made by those who respect truth and not "theory," yes?

    When something is tied together, it is many times easy to come apart. However, if it is BONDED, never shall it be separated.

    In the financial world, a BOND is the most coveted means of investment in any times, especially though in troubled times. A BOND is a 100% rock solid agreement that money will be paid back! In any case of Bankruptcy, any court will FIRST look at the BOND holder to be paid before any other person or loaning entity. The United States issues Savings BONDS. They’re not the greatest return on investment, but they are sought after only because they carry the FULL FAITH AND PROMISE of the United States govt to be honored and paid!

    General Motors went belly-up because Union Members would not give in and negotiate with corporate owners! In steps the U.S. Govt, under the premises that GM is “Too Big To Fail” came in to the rescue. Not to mention, of course, Union Bosses are in the kitchen of the White House negotiating privately with obama their demands for a future GM!

    So… what was the FINAL outcome of General Motors? The President of the United States announces that U.S. taxpayers will “bail out” GM! In doing so, BOND holders must agree to take “pennies on the dollar” for their promised investment!

    In other words, Govt came in and declared the oldest form of “rock solid” financing was no longer reverenced! Rather, the govt would tell what was acceptable and what wasn’t! Had GM gone through the legal channels of a bankruptcy…. UNIONS would have NEVER been given a reward of 17% ownership of a private corporation simply because Union Bosses met with the President in private meetings at the White House! Or, they knew the deal with GM or they would have negotiated.

    So, what did you say again about “dictatorship” and a “economic structure?” Don’t think for one minute I am selfish in my concerns about a continuation of obama as our President! Im certainly not a selfish person to desire that! I care more for the future of our Country, Vieuporia, which just so happens to be my children and grandchildren….. and even you! Old Salt
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  • danila777 Vieuphoria 2012/07/09 18:39:35
    danila777
    +3
    Lived under communism, did not like it. So if you admire them so much I would advise you to go see how the average person lives and than we can have a conversation.
  • Striker danila777 2012/07/09 19:00:44
    Striker
    +2
    Or move there; there's no place for you in America.
  • Vieuphoria danila777 2012/07/09 19:28:28
    Vieuphoria
    I don't think living under chinese capitalism would be good. But people seem to think blindly about capitalism. Communism has never truly existed, but Americans have always been taught to fear it. Capitalism is corrupt. I don't trust people with money, no economic system will ever work as people are greedy.
  • danila777 Vieuphoria 2012/07/09 19:39:58
    danila777
    +1
    Hmm, communism never truly existed, tell that to the people that come from Europe's eastern block, the chinese, the north koreans, and the people that are saying to fear communism are right. Like I said if you never lived under communism you never will understand why when we hear the word we panic. I'll take capitalism as corupt as it is over communism any day. As for people being greedy you only have to look at our commander in chief, before he was president he made somewhere around 300, 000 $ and now he is declaring millions on his income tax.
    Under communism if you had two houses one went to the government unless you were somebody in the government than the rules and regulations did not apply to you. Tell that to million of Christians that were killed for refusing to say that the state is their God. I would like to see how you like it to have to get up at 2'o'clock in the morning so that you can have milk for your children, or stay in line for most of the day so you can get a puond of meat only to have the store close in front of you because some beauracrat wants to throw a party and needs meat and everything else. As for China, do not look at the industrial cities look at the rest of the population and than we will talk.
  • Vieuphoria danila777 2012/07/09 19:59:20
    Vieuphoria
    +1
    Those are dictatorships. You can have capitalist dictatorships. People seem to not understand the difference between dictatorships and communism because true communism has never existed. Plus Americans aren't taught about it, just told it is wrong.
  • danila777 Vieuphoria 2012/07/09 20:04:23
    danila777
    +1
    And why do you care about America so much since you are in the UK? As for dictatorships they started as communism first. My grandparents were alive when the country I came from made the transition from a monarchy to communism and afterwards dictatorship.
  • Vieuphoria danila777 2012/07/09 20:16:40
    Vieuphoria
    aaand the last resort for someone that knows they are wrong. Bring up a persons location. Nice one.

    Do you think capitalist nations cannot be dictatorships?
  • danila777 Vieuphoria 2012/07/09 20:18:58
    danila777
    It's not a last resort, I'm just curious why you are so interested in America since the UK has problems too. As for capitalist nations being dictatorships, maybe.
  • Vieuphoria danila777 2012/07/09 20:23:22
    Vieuphoria
    +1
    Everywhere has problems. Largely based on corrupt political and economic systems. But I dislike the ignorance people have when they assume that the dictatorships of the past are a true vision of communism, because it is not. People also being brainwashed into thinking Communism is somehow worse or easier corrupted than Capitalism, it's just not true.

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