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Do you want to pay taxes for someone to use contraceptives?

heirsoftheking 2012/08/24 17:24:08
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  • Mrs.Vader-BN0 2012/09/03 13:18:13
    Yes! (Here's why)
    Mrs.Vader-BN0
    Yes, please...put my tax dollars towards cutting down on unwanted pregnancies instead of blowing it on overpaid politicians and paying for ridiculous things like TV for Korean villages and Sesame Street for Pakistan.
    http://www.coburn.senate.gov/...
  • All American 2012/09/01 21:50:15
    No! (Here's why)
    All American
    It's not my job to subsidize someone's private elective behavior.
  • Yes! (Here's why)
    Pixie·ŸŸMzAwesome♠ƤĦĂĔŢ♠
    I would much much rather pay for someone's contraceptives then pay for their aids or other STI treatment or a child they can't afford
  • YepIDidItSo 2012/08/25 15:13:39
    Yes! (Here's why)
    YepIDidItSo
    +1
    Cheaper than paying her medical expenses AND public aid for 18 years.
  • Ambassador II 2012/08/25 04:53:46
    Yes! (Here's why)
    Ambassador II
    +1
    The contraceptives can be had for about $12/month. The cost to taxpayers of one more unwanted baby can exceed $400,000 over it's lifetime. Now, do I have to explain in detail
    why the pills are a bargain?
  • iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~ 2012/08/25 02:51:56
    Yes! (Here's why)
    iamthemob ~ the 444th Guru ~
    +1
    Generally, an increase in use of contraceptives reduces both an insupportable population boom and the spread of disease.

    Contraceptives are cheap in comparison with spending on health care and child services.
  • Maria R 2012/08/25 02:35:31
    No! (Here's why)
    Maria R
    +2
    Buy your own damn birth control. You play, you pay, just like we did in the 80s. It's called being RESPONSIBLE! Oh, I forgot, you can whore around all you want these days and it's MY fault.....
  • Kat 2012/08/25 02:22:17
    No! (Here's why)
    Kat
    +1
    They play, they pay. I pay for my hobbies.
  • Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2012/08/24 23:03:13
    Yes! (Here's why)
    Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    +1
    Uhh.. Last time I checked, condoms are cheaper than babies..... Pretty sure anyone who is in a situation where the government is willing to pay for their condoms would most likely be getting welfare and all kinds of benefits if they gave birth.

    Do you think health insurance companies pay for the pill because they want to help you get laid? No, it just makes good business sense. Therefore the same would be true if our government is forced to make a similar decision.

    If you are against this in order to save tax money than be prepared to let these newborn babies starve to death and live in a cardboard box as well. Otherwise you will lose a lot more than you gain (tax money).
  • Randy Freedom... 2012/08/24 23:23:52
    Randy
    +2
    In other words, you're too cheap to provide your own?
  • Freedom... Randy 2012/08/24 23:53:16
  • Randy Freedom... 2012/08/25 07:56:38
    Randy
    The poor around here have air conditioning, better vehicles than me, smart phones(paid by me), free groceries(paid by me), giant screen Tv's and best of all, plenty of leisure time for drugs!
  • Freedom... Randy 2012/08/27 10:19:47
    Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Oh..... Well if you know someone that is abusing welfare than that changes everything! I had no idea that stuff happened!!!

    I bet poor ppl don't even exist and its all a conspiracy. We should cut off all support and count how many starve to death so we can make sure no one is cheating the system.
  • rustyshackelford 2012/08/24 22:45:25 (edited)
  • Randy rustysh... 2012/08/24 23:27:21
    Randy
    Hmm, under those circumstances, 'Ol' Sandy ain't looking too bad!!!
  • Peggy 2012/08/24 22:43:46
    Yes! (Here's why)
    Peggy
    +2
    I would rather pay for contraceptives than a child for 18 years.
  • ed 2012/08/24 22:38:15
    No! (Here's why)
    ed
    +2
    I don't want to pay a damn thing ,if they want them they can pay for it themselves.
  • dawn 2012/08/24 21:32:11
    No! (Here's why)
    dawn
    +1
    Nobody paid for mine Nothing is free. I don't think we should have to pay to protect these people from the risks of sex ie: pregnancy or std's
  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/08/24 21:25:56
    No! (Here's why)
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +1
    Not really!!
  • kyle 2012/08/24 21:14:16
    No! (Here's why)
    kyle
    +1
    We shouldn't have taxes.
  • fudge35 2012/08/24 21:10:36
    No! (Here's why)
    fudge35
    NO, but what taxes are paying for contraceptives?? Is this another lie that the right wing is having their minions to spread?? Seems like this lie is another part of the war on women!!!!
  • heirsof... fudge35 2012/08/25 13:35:58
    heirsoftheking
    The Roman-Catholic Church (and their schools, hospitals, and healthcare facilities) has been complaining about how Obama-care is pushing for them (and other employers and entities of certain minimal sizes) to pay for birth control and so on. Here's a web-link that may explain part of the situation better than I can:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-2...
  • fudge35 heirsof... 2012/08/25 16:42:06
    fudge35
    No i don't need to look at your link. I know everything about Romney/Obama Care. Romney/Obama Care calls for health insurance companies to provide contraception for women. The Catholic Church run these businesses as an employer. All employers that have health insurance, are to provide contraception.

    Now I understand the church does not believe in contraception, but this does not violate their religious beliefs, because no Catholics are forced to take this benefit. But the church is in violation of forcing their religious edicts to deny these benefits to non-Catholics. So actually the church is doing the reverse, and their complaint of the government is hypocritical.

    So this post is either mistaken or just lying about taxes paying for contraception. I guess you can raise the ire of people making this a tax issue, even if it isn't true.
  • heirsof... fudge35 2012/08/25 18:24:25 (edited)
    heirsoftheking
    I tried to nice to you by providing a weblink from CBS News, one of the more liberal news outlets that you might be more comfortable with. But since you sound a little on the stubborn side, I'll just share the solution for all of Obama-care. Here it is:
    nuclear explosion
  • fudge35 heirsof... 2012/08/25 18:51:01
    fudge35
    So you don't like what I said so you resort to this as a metaphor. Typical right winger. If you don't like the truth, then violence is the answer!!!
  • Cameleon 2012/08/24 20:09:48
    Yes! (Here's why)
    Cameleon
    +3
    If you do not pay for birth control, you will end up paying for abortions, welfare and social disfunctions in all other areas of society. Birth conttol is by far the cheapest of all the other options.
  • munda 2012/08/24 19:37:12
    No! (Here's why)
    munda
    +2
    They are making a choice of their own free will, they can carry the resposibility of that choice. And no I don't want to pay for their kids that they made of their own free will. I would support free sterilization.
  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/08/24 19:32:50 (edited)
    Yes! (Here's why)
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    +2
    Taxes for contraceptives or taxes for welfare babies...

    You get to choose one... there is no "other" option.
  • rustysh... Beat Ma... 2012/08/24 22:47:47
  • ZenerSix 2012/08/24 19:29:07 (edited)
    No! (Here's why)
    ZenerSix
    +3
    I don't want to pay taxes period.

    sompininphormativ
  • heirsof... ZenerSix 2012/08/24 20:04:20
    heirsoftheking
    +2
    I love that idea!
  • Peggy heirsof... 2012/08/24 22:45:02
    Peggy
    +1
    I am definitely with you heirs and Zener, best idea of all.
  • Cameleon ZenerSix 2012/08/24 20:10:31
    Cameleon
    How do you expect the country to run with out taxes.
  • ZenerSix Cameleon 2012/08/24 20:29:10 (edited)
    ZenerSix
    The private sector can run on it's own. I expect government to run on donations or close it's doors. Because that is what is supposed to happen, as stated in our Declaration of Independence:

    "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

    The 2nd amendment was created for this reason. But gun control has restricted the 2nd amendment to those law-abiding citizen pawn/slaves who are least likely to use them to resist government fascism, and anyone who might be a threat to Uncle Sam has been classified as domestic terrorists, which the government is at war with. Now we have no effective means of keeping government in check- not even the election process- and that is why it has run out of control.

    The only way to rein government in and put it back on a leash is to take away it's powers of taxation and borrowing. Government should run strictly on the donations of it's citizens. We should get...
    The private sector can run on it's own. I expect government to run on donations or close it's doors. Because that is what is supposed to happen, as stated in our Declaration of Independence:

    "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

    The 2nd amendment was created for this reason. But gun control has restricted the 2nd amendment to those law-abiding citizen pawn/slaves who are least likely to use them to resist government fascism, and anyone who might be a threat to Uncle Sam has been classified as domestic terrorists, which the government is at war with. Now we have no effective means of keeping government in check- not even the election process- and that is why it has run out of control.

    The only way to rein government in and put it back on a leash is to take away it's powers of taxation and borrowing. Government should run strictly on the donations of it's citizens. We should get into the habit of donating to government when we approve of it, but when we don't like what the government is doing, we should have the right not to pay for it. And therein lies the balance of power between us and the legislators who write the laws that effect us.
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  • Ambassa... ZenerSix 2012/08/25 04:56:45
    Ambassador II
    Keep your car off my highway and your kids out of my school, freeloader.
  • ZenerSix Ambassa... 2012/08/25 15:17:09 (edited)
    ZenerSix
    I never said I wasn't willing to pay for what I use.

    I'm just not willing to be forced to pay for what I don't use.
  • Ambassa... ZenerSix 2012/08/25 17:33:24 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Join in civilized society where you are not the center of attention. Parents sometimes forget to teach children that they are part of a greater and more important arena than themselves. You may not have breast cancer either, but we all share in the research and treatment of those less fortunate. Lots of things like that.
  • ZenerSix Ambassa... 2012/08/25 20:10:58 (edited)
    ZenerSix
    The more free people are, the more prosperous they tend to be. The more prosperous people are, the more kind and charitable they tend to be. Thus, the most civilized societies are those that value individual freedom above all else. The least civilized societies are those that value the community or state above all else.
  • Ambassa... ZenerSix 2012/08/26 04:24:30 (edited)
    Ambassador II
    Yea, you have a point. Why, those who live in the hills of Appalachia and in the swamps of Mississippi and Louisiana, and out there on the prairies of South Dakota and Oklahoma, they are so dammed prosperous as to be the envy of the nation. Yessir, they are the "free ones". They can hunt the coons and alligators, make their own liquor, shoot squirrels all year round, and do all sorts of things that urban dwellers in a more civilized society can't do. Good that you remind us of what it means to be "free".

    By the way, I take not that you live in perhaps the most tightly controlled environment in all the United States and I wonder what you really know about "free" people? You can't plant a rose bush without permission of the City of Monterrey, and the Coastal Commission controls your every "emission", some quite personal. Don't give me that "free men" crap.

    I have more freedoms than I can find use for, as do all who are with sound minds and lacking criminal records. I can travel to any point on the planet,
    buy and sell anything I wish that is not harmful in some way, invest, own,
    say, read, write and do whatever strikes my mood, eat what I want, and exercise a free vote for any candidate in my political district. If you know of any other place on earth with such freedoms, tel...

    Yea, you have a point. Why, those who live in the hills of Appalachia and in the swamps of Mississippi and Louisiana, and out there on the prairies of South Dakota and Oklahoma, they are so dammed prosperous as to be the envy of the nation. Yessir, they are the "free ones". They can hunt the coons and alligators, make their own liquor, shoot squirrels all year round, and do all sorts of things that urban dwellers in a more civilized society can't do. Good that you remind us of what it means to be "free".

    By the way, I take not that you live in perhaps the most tightly controlled environment in all the United States and I wonder what you really know about "free" people? You can't plant a rose bush without permission of the City of Monterrey, and the Coastal Commission controls your every "emission", some quite personal. Don't give me that "free men" crap.

    I have more freedoms than I can find use for, as do all who are with sound minds and lacking criminal records. I can travel to any point on the planet,
    buy and sell anything I wish that is not harmful in some way, invest, own,
    say, read, write and do whatever strikes my mood, eat what I want, and exercise a free vote for any candidate in my political district. If you know of any other place on earth with such freedoms, tell us here and now of the place that we might all want to go there.

    I suspect you are just one more ungrateful and unthoughtful person who spins yarns of delusions and ideologies that have no foundations. Or, your are feeling restrained by the place in which you live. Maybe move on down to Big Sur and find some "freedoms"?
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  • ZenerSix Ambassa... 2012/08/26 17:09:10 (edited)
    ZenerSix
    First you suggest with sarcasm that people in rural areas aren't free. Well I never said anybody was free- taxation is slavery.

    Then you erroneously presume that, because I live in a place where I'm deprived of liberty on a regular basis, I don't know what freedom is? WTF is a matter with you?! People who understand and appreciate liberty the most are the ones who are most deprived of it.

    But then you claim to have more freedom than you know what to do with. Well that explains everything. Freedom in America is proportional to wealth, and wealth comes not from a free market but from a market held captive in the grip of monopolism and big government. No, it doesn't mean you're mind is more sound than mine, quite the opposite I think. It just means you benefit from the injustices of the system and you lack the scruples to give a damn.

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