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Do you want the BUSH ERA tax cuts to be extended?

Drue-AFCL 2012/07/10 03:28:50
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  • beavith1 2012/07/11 02:14:00
    Yes and why?
    beavith1
    +1
    raising taxes now is suicidal.
  • Cliff 2012/07/11 01:18:47
    Yes and why?
    Cliff
    +1
    I've heard that if the Bush tax cuts were extended 5 years, that alone would be enough to encourage businesses to resume hiring and put us on the road to recovery. A one year extension only drags out the uncertainty.
  • DuncanONeil 2012/07/10 23:45:36
    Yes and why?
    DuncanONeil
    +1
    And not a year at a time either! We all need some certainty from Washington.

    In fact if we could lower them some more or institute the FairTax we would be way better off.
  • TheCouchF*cker 2012/07/10 23:31:10
    No and why?
    TheCouchF*cker
    +2
    I want all taxes to be ended. Taxation is theft.
  • Moonage 2012/07/10 18:11:56
    Yes and why?
    Moonage
    +1
    Because higher taxes stifle economic growth and that is the very last thing we need right now.
  • none 2012/07/10 17:48:34
    Yes and why?
    none
    +1
    More taxes will NOT help the economy, only a fool would think it will.
  • John Hall 2012/07/10 13:47:45
    Yes and why?
    John Hall
    +1
    no one in this country needs to be hit with taxes at a time like this and we need for these dipsticks to get a balenced budget .
  • DuncanO... John Hall 2012/07/10 23:50:18
    DuncanONeil
    +1
    At this point ANY budget would help!
  • John Hall DuncanO... 2012/07/11 00:17:20
    John Hall
    +2
    And that's something that Obama and the democrats have not done . I also want to point out that Obama said himself raising taxes in a recession is wrong but has changed his views again .
  • Waldorf 2012/07/10 13:25:56
    Yes and why?
    Waldorf
    +2
    I don't favor any movement on taxes until 1) Congress passes a budget and 2) Spending is cut to only what makes sense in a down economy. You almost have to take the politics out of budgeting. The Committees have got to work together, or they are not doing their jobs.
  • JL 2012/07/10 11:54:05
    Yes and why?
    JL
    +2
    FOR A START....THE OUT OF CONTROL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM, IT DOESN'T MAKE KAKA FOR DIFFERENCE ...SEND IT TO WASHINGTON AND THEY WILL SPEND IT AND WANT MORE! HERE'S A CLUE CUT THEIR MONEY, CUT THE SPENDING AND WATCH JOBS AND PEOPLES LIVES IMPROVE...
  • Jayne 2012/07/10 11:40:21
    Yes and why?
    Jayne
    Only for the middle class (those making 250K or less).
  • Devil's Advocate 2012/07/10 10:28:51
    No and why?
    Devil's Advocate
    They were the single biggest contributory factor to Americas return to deficit spending over the last decade.
    Besides that, a lack of demand in the economy is the big problem for the US right now (it is one of the main problems that is leading to a slump in Chinese exports and creating inflationary pressure back in the US), not that taxes are too high; not on top earners, at least, and extending middle class tax cuts or increases in tax credits would be a good way to boost it.
  • beavith1 Devil's... 2012/07/11 02:13:34
    beavith1
    baloney. .

    if your revenues drop, any prudent manager would cut spending. amazingly, our spending went up.
  • Devil's... beavith1 2012/07/11 05:37:51
    Devil's Advocate
    It isnt baloney at all.
    America had a $1.35tn surplus when Bush came to power and was poised to pay off its entire national debt by 2013. Bush then instituted his tax cuts, wiped out the surplus, increased spending and the deficit ballooned. Obama inherited a massive structural deficit as a result but managed to ensure that any further increases were kept to a minimum (with Obama presiding over the slowest rate of growth in spending since the Depression), with spending set to start coming down this fiscal year. The numbers speak for themselves.
  • beavith1 Devil's... 2012/07/11 14:31:11
    beavith1
    +1
    no. he didn't have a surplus. the national debt was at $5T or so. it had increased every year of Clinton's term.

    http://www.treasurydirect.gov...

    that projected surplus was over 10 years. as you can see by today's budgeting, looking out 10 years is absolutely meaningless. we can't budget for the next year. forget 2, 5 or 10.

    Bush's increased spending amounted to about $200B/year. it really jumped up when the bubble burst. all said and done, he added $4.4T to the national debt over 96 months. Obama is on track to have added $5.5T to the national debt in 48 months.

    LOL! Obama's got the slowest rate of growth... can't you tell when you're being played? or are you trying to tell me that $1 TRILLION plus deficits are the new normal? if he was half the president we needed, he'd have spending down to where Bush ran it for most of Bush's term.

    but that's not going to happen. big deficit spending buys constituencies and constituencies vote.

    the numbers speak, alright. official unemployment is stuck at 8.2%, and the only thing saving Obama's ass there is the fact that more people are leaving the work force than are getting hired. if those people stayed in and kept looking for work, that official rate would have been climbing these last two months. unofficially, the unemploy...



    no. he didn't have a surplus. the national debt was at $5T or so. it had increased every year of Clinton's term.

    http://www.treasurydirect.gov...

    that projected surplus was over 10 years. as you can see by today's budgeting, looking out 10 years is absolutely meaningless. we can't budget for the next year. forget 2, 5 or 10.

    Bush's increased spending amounted to about $200B/year. it really jumped up when the bubble burst. all said and done, he added $4.4T to the national debt over 96 months. Obama is on track to have added $5.5T to the national debt in 48 months.

    LOL! Obama's got the slowest rate of growth... can't you tell when you're being played? or are you trying to tell me that $1 TRILLION plus deficits are the new normal? if he was half the president we needed, he'd have spending down to where Bush ran it for most of Bush's term.

    but that's not going to happen. big deficit spending buys constituencies and constituencies vote.

    the numbers speak, alright. official unemployment is stuck at 8.2%, and the only thing saving Obama's ass there is the fact that more people are leaving the work force than are getting hired. if those people stayed in and kept looking for work, that official rate would have been climbing these last two months. unofficially, the unemployment rate is somewhere north of 10%. U6 is probably a more accurate number, and its not 8.2%.

    GDP growth is sub 2%. and when the taxpocolypse hits on 1/1/13, we're right back in the recessionary crapper.

    face it. he's a divisive incompetent that has nothing. he's going down in November...
    (more)
  • Devil's... beavith1 2012/07/11 15:24:15
    Devil's Advocate
    Indeed, it was only a projected surplus but that doesnt alter the fact that the it was the Bush era tax cuts that caused it to not materialise (although borrowing did hit a spike the year before Bush took office- although that should have been a warning that the cuts were a bad idea) and then the financial crisis to exacerbate the situation.
    Well, budgeting projections have historically been useful tools in terms of future budgeting and creating parameters of success (despite the issue of time lags creating some need for revision, of course). It is only really been of late where the have become more volatile.
    It is the slowest rate of spending increases as a percentage of the previous fiscal year. It is the highest nominal deficit, but slowest year on year percentage growth.
    I wholly agree that unemployment is very high and static and he hasnt been successful in tackling that thusfar. However, it seems to by systemic at present and is shared by all western economies affected by the crisis, whether they are borrowing more or cutting.
    I dont think he is incompetent, I just think no-one has an answer to this crisis yet. Things will be no better under Romney or anyone else.
    But, back to the original point, I dont think the Bush-era tax cuts should be retained.
  • beavith1 Devil's... 2012/07/11 16:22:39 (edited)
    beavith1
    how can you know?

    i know the democrats seem to take some comfort in saying that, but who could predict what the economy would do after 9/11? or the bubble bursting.

    that 'surplus' was a guess, and one that REQUIRED everything to happen per the projection.

    cmon. slowest rate of growth? if my wife doubled our household spending and tried to tell me that, 'well, it hasn't doubled again,' we'd be having words.

    why would you give that argument a second of credence?

    its systemic because Obama has a 'war on capital.' until he gets his jackboot off capital's neck, its never going to get any better. we are unlike the rest of the world. we have the ability to fix ourselves. he/democrats have prevented it

    he's had four years and, as you say, he has no answers.

    times up.

    next guy.

    tax revenue is not the problem. spending is.
  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/07/10 09:35:52
    Yes and why?
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +2
    If taxes are increased, purchasing power will go down, and the economy will drop.
  • Roger 2012/07/10 08:28:38
    Yes and why?
    Roger
    +2
    Taxed Enough Already. No more taxes....Less spending
  • AL 2012/07/10 07:25:16
    Yes and why?
    AL
    +2
    100% across the board!The last thing you want to do is raise taxes on real job creators
  • Jayne AL 2012/07/10 11:46:39
    Jayne
    Right! Job Creators my butt. The only jobs created were in China. They took the tax cuts, our-sourced the jobs, and gave themselves nice bonuses for throwing the American worker under the bus. Those who took the money and put it into off shore accounts to avoid taxes are traitors to this country.
  • beavith1 Jayne 2012/07/11 02:11:33
    beavith1
    +2
    the only jobs that went to China were the low profit, low margin, high labor jobs that we consider 'dead end.' the manufacturing equivalent of mexicans that pick our fruits and vegetables.

    the 'good paying' jobs went away because of automation.

    you might want to listen to people other than democrats. they aren't doing you any favors...
  • AL Jayne 2012/07/11 06:23:40
    AL
    Do you ever use any common sense at all?
  • Jayne AL 2012/07/15 13:39:00
    Jayne
    I do use common sense all the time. I refuse to watch Fox NOT-News. I don't know why it's so hard for you to see what's going on. Some will never see the truth until it's too late. I will never vote for Mitt and I believe I can also say that for any Republican with the exception of Ron Paul. He would get my vote since he's the only one who hasn't flip-flopped on his stand.
  • AL Jayne 2012/07/22 07:28:22
    AL
    Are you sure common sense is really all that common- when it comes to your off the wall liberal views?
  • Jayne AL 2012/07/28 00:17:02
    Jayne
    If you can't see what is going on you are blind. The Republican Party has gone so far to the right that the middle is seen as Liberal.
  • AL Jayne 2012/07/28 05:30:42
    AL
    LOL! The Democratic party has already been taken over by Socialist already! Thats why I changed parties some 25 years now! As a Christian myself, I couldn't agree with the parties platform and views on abortion, sex perverson, the racist affirmative atction views and their big Socialist Government Ideas either!
  • Jayne AL 2012/08/04 10:48:29
    Jayne
    So you are a christian, that explains a lot. You christians are quick to jump on the rights of others and freely pick parts of the bible to justify both your hate and your ignorance. The bible is more suitable to be used as toilet paper. I believe that the guy you worship (Jesus) would be on the side of the Democrats. Truth is he wouldn't be allowed in the republican party since he fed the poor, healed the sick and did it all with compensation. Was Jesus a socialist also?
  • AL Jayne 2012/08/18 06:26:21 (edited)
    AL
    In the first place-The Bible isn't based on Hate for anyone! Its based only on the hate for sin itself is all!
  • Jayne AL 2012/08/18 22:20:18
    Jayne
    RIGHT!
  • S* 2012/07/10 06:14:31
    No and why?
    S*
    we are broke.
  • beavith1 S* 2012/07/11 02:08:23
    beavith1
    because we spend too much.
  • S* beavith1 2012/07/11 03:14:59
    S*
    +1
    still broke.
  • wtf S* 2012/07/11 15:15:00
    wtf
    And raising taxes (end the tax cuts) will keep us that way.
  • S* wtf 2012/07/11 22:41:36
    S*
    i do not believe so.
  • wtf S* 2012/07/13 16:56:49
    wtf
    Then you do not understand the problem.
  • S* wtf 2012/07/13 17:01:24
    S*
    you do not understand the solution.
  • wtf S* 2012/07/13 17:04:33
    wtf
    Actually I do but you are to blind to see the truth.
  • S* wtf 2012/07/13 17:05:34
    S*
    right. you are the all seeing eye. LOL.

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