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Tee Quake 2012/11/08 00:59:55
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I CANNOT support Obama. He is going to destroy the United States. I'll hopefully be dead before he makes his final destructive moves. It is sad and deplorable that so many Americans were fooled. America is going to be a U.N.-socialist and non-leaders like Obama, Clinton, Gore, Reid, Pelosi, Boehner, all these losers whose only interest is getting rich. I hope 12-21-12 really is the END as predicted. Obama/ You've got to be fooling. The only thing more disheartening are the leftist's expressing their anger because half the country refuses to rollover and support Barack Hussein Obama.
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  • **StarzAbove** 2012/11/08 03:50:16
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    **StarzAbove**
    +21
    We lost nothing. You sore losers need to quit your whining and crying about everything this president tries to do. What big babies you are. Give it a rest.

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  • ehrhornp 2012/12/07 08:05:50
    ehrhornp
    Yes the republicans got their butts kicked. Hopefully republicans have lost all credibility. They sure don't have any credibility with me. What a bunch of idiots. Did you see the republican leader in the senate get his butt kicked? So funny. First time I have seen a republican leader filibuster his own proposal minutes after proposing it. Republicans sure have adopted flip flops as a symbol.
  • The Aging Yankee Liberal Do... 2012/11/21 03:54:16
    Undecided
    The Aging Yankee Liberal Douche
    +1
    America lost nothing. I support Obama. The whining and complaining from the far right is getting annoying. Suck it up and accept the fact that he won.
  • remy 2012/11/10 04:51:08
    Undecided
    remy
    +1
    America didn't LOSE anything~you people are SO dramatic~
  • BlytheSpirit~bn0 2012/11/10 04:20:03
    BlytheSpirit~bn0
    +1
    Wow! Live in fear much? I can understand why you wish for death. Your life must be sheer misery.
  • PBAB 2012/11/10 02:53:45
    Impeach Obama
    PBAB
    And so it begins: Redistribution of wealth.

    Next IPCC report will ‘scare the wits out of everyone’
    Posted on November 7, 2012 by Anthony Watts
    Former UN Official says climate report will shock nations into action

    John Gardner writes in with an entry from the “worse than we thought” department.
    The IPCC seems to be pre-empting the growing skeptical science by preparing to issue an ‘its even worse than we thought’ report in 2013, according to a report in the Australian newspaper.

    “The Brisbane Times’, which quotes Ivo De Boer, the UN climate chief during the 2009 Copenhagen talks. He is quoted “That report is going to scare the wits out of everyone,”

    Mr De Boer said in the only scheduled interview of his visit to Australia.

    “I’m confident those scientific findings will create new political momentum.”

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com....


    ------Al Gore finally gets his payoff. Enjoy it while you can Al.
  • Todd Parsons 2012/11/10 01:32:17
    Impeach Obama
    Todd Parsons
    Obama likes to sodomize America
  • Striker 2012/11/10 01:14:45
    Impeach Obama
    Striker
    But Congress has blown away many opportunities to impeach. Obama must be arrested and tried for Treason. Only that will get rid of him.
  • JwonGalt 2012/11/09 22:56:14
    JwonGalt
    +1
    "Obama, Clinton, Gore, Reid, Pelosi, Boehner, all these losers whose only interest is getting rich."

    Lol...that was probably the worst thing you could have said...considering all Romney cared about was money.
  • Magical Mushroom 2012/11/09 22:33:39
  • BlytheS... Magical... 2012/11/10 04:24:13
    BlytheSpirit~bn0
    +1
    "Can't dress a pig in pretty clothing and call it pretty its still a pig." Wow. At only 24 years old you have the ability to be as petty and ugly as someone twice your age. Hopefully as you mature you will be able to express yourself better and not come off looking like a mad, foot stomping, spluttering seven year old.
  • remy Magical... 2012/11/10 04:52:15
    remy
    You don't pay for her dresses or her vacations. Pay attention~
  • reaper 2012/11/09 22:26:49
    Undecided
    reaper
    +4
    you want to know what you lost? a bunch of moronic nuts like west, akin, and walsh in congress.
  • remy reaper 2012/11/10 04:52:43
    remy
    And what a blessing it is that THEY are gone~
  • Bill 2012/11/09 13:02:54
    Impeach Obama
    Bill
    +2
    Hey, Obi-wan-stupidity. Great job of inspiring the stock market: Coal, down; Oil, down; Financials, down; Insurance, down; Last I heard we were down over 400 points, a 3.5% decline. Thanks again and another thanks for all the idiots who voted for you. When we go down, they'll be going down with us except maybe a little faster. There will be a wailing and gnashing of teeth. No more free stuff. We won't have the money.
  • Tee Quake Bill 2012/11/09 22:22:46
    Tee Quake
    Thanks Bill, but what's the use. The country has been on a steady decline ever since the Kennedy's and Martin Luther King were murdered. 3,000,000 Republicans did not even bother to vote. Now the left is on us like a tick on a wild rabbit.
  • Bill Tee Quake 2012/11/10 00:53:55
    Bill
    After we start sinking and 2M people all of a sudden become unemployed (real quick too) and there is NO healthcare due to its expense and no more welfare and food stamps, we will either come back or surrender to Russia/China.
  • GeeMichael.!! 2012/11/09 06:18:19
    Worship Obama
    GeeMichael.!!
    or lost in space the time
  • Sav 2012/11/09 04:17:22 (edited)
    Impeach Obama
    Sav
    +3

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  • rbeas 2012/11/09 03:30:11
    Undecided
    rbeas
    +2
    America lost nothing according to the pundits. Same president, same house and same senate
  • Bill rbeas 2012/11/09 13:07:49
    Bill
    +2
    The pundits are idiots. He has another FOUR years to stretch out his disastrous policies. ObamaCare will kick in soon (full implementation in 2014), Taxes on industry, dividends and and capital gains will all go up. Businesses will collapse, unemployment up, housing down and those people laid off because businesses simply can't keep them on the payrolls will lose their houses. LOL Thanks to the Dems, this will all happen.
  • rbeas Bill 2012/11/09 18:23:53
    rbeas
    +1
    I love it when someone sends me a message full of vitriol and doom and gloom. Especiall when they lead with a statement that is total bs. Obamacare will not even start until 2014 and then be phased in over time. When a person leads with a misstatement the remainder is summarily dismissed as bs should the reader even get to that point.
  • Bill rbeas 2012/11/10 01:03:50
    Bill
    { Obamacare will not even start until 2014 and then be phased in over time.}
    Wrong. That is when it fully kicks in. All waivers will be dropped. ObamaCare has already been partially implemented.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/0...
    Program Offering Waivers for Health Law Is Ending
    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said Friday that it was shutting down a program that had provided exemptions from the new health care law for many employers and labor unions offering bare-bones insurance coverage to workers.

    Waivers granted or renewed in the next three months will run through 2013. To date, the administration has granted waivers to 1,433 health plans covering 3.2 million people.

    They will be GONE in 2014, not phased in. They NEED the money.


    http://www.examiner.com/artic...
    Scores of US Businesses Announce Closings and Layoffs Due to Obama's Re-election
    The following is a list of companies which have announced layoffs directly as a result of President Obama's re-election. Many contracting businesses have indicated that the impending implementation of Obamacare, a looming threat of tax increases, and an overall anti-business environment will now prevail and perhaps even get worse, over the next four years prompting a defensive stance.

    List of layoffs and closings courtesy of the website The ...





































    { Obamacare will not even start until 2014 and then be phased in over time.}
    Wrong. That is when it fully kicks in. All waivers will be dropped. ObamaCare has already been partially implemented.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/0...
    Program Offering Waivers for Health Law Is Ending
    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said Friday that it was shutting down a program that had provided exemptions from the new health care law for many employers and labor unions offering bare-bones insurance coverage to workers.

    Waivers granted or renewed in the next three months will run through 2013. To date, the administration has granted waivers to 1,433 health plans covering 3.2 million people.

    They will be GONE in 2014, not phased in. They NEED the money.


    http://www.examiner.com/artic...
    Scores of US Businesses Announce Closings and Layoffs Due to Obama's Re-election
    The following is a list of companies which have announced layoffs directly as a result of President Obama's re-election. Many contracting businesses have indicated that the impending implementation of Obamacare, a looming threat of tax increases, and an overall anti-business environment will now prevail and perhaps even get worse, over the next four years prompting a defensive stance.

    List of layoffs and closings courtesy of the website The Blaze:
    Westinghouse -
    Research in Motion Limited -
    Lightyear Network Solutions -
    • Providence Journal -
    • Hawker Beechcraft -
    • Boeing (30% of their management staff) -
    • CVPH Medical Center -
    • US Cellular -
    • Momentive Performance Materials -
    • Rocketdyne -
    • Brake Parts -
    • Vestas Wind Systems -
    • Husqvarna -
    • Center for Hospice New York -
    • Bristol-Meyers -
    • OCE North America -
    • Darden Restaurants -
    • United Blood Services Gulf
    Various Offices which will be closing as a result of re-election:
    Caterpillar Inc. will close its plant in Owatonna Minn.
    Mount Pleasant’s Albrecht Sentry Foods
    The Target store at Manassas Mall Va.
    Millennium Academy in Wake Forest NC
    Target Closing Kissimmee FL Location
    The Andover Gift Shop in Andover MA
    Grand Union Family Markets Closing Storrs Location CT
    Movie Scene Milford Location NH
    Update: TE Connectivity Closing Greensboro Plant – 620 Layoffs Expected
    Gomer’s Fried Chicken in South Kansas City
    Kmart in Homer Glen
    Fresh Market on Pine Street in Burlington
    AGC Glass North America to permanently close its Blue Ridge Plant in Kingsport Tenn.
    The Target store at Platte and Academy in Colorado Springs
    The Roses store on Reynold Road in Winston-Salem NC
    Meanders Kitchen losing its West Seattle location at 6032 California Ave
    Bost Harley-Davidson at 46th Avenue North and Delaware Ave. in West Nashville TN
    Townsend Booksellers in Oakland
    The Kmart store in Parkway Plaza off University Drive in Durham NC – 79 Jobs Lost
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  • rbeas Bill 2012/11/10 05:55:49
    rbeas
    +1
    You do know the the Blaze site you referenced is owned and operated by none other than that moderated voice of America Glen Beck dont you

    Westinghouse is a defense contractor and the layoff u r referring to are at the chemical weapons incenerator. we have no more chemical weapons.

    Research in Motion LTD-With Apple's i-phone, Samsung's Galaxy, and other android-based smartphones all the rage, fewer people want a Blackberry. Who is Research In Motion ltd exclusively tied to? Blackbury

    Lightyear Network Solutions- Company officials could not speak on camera but said in a written statement the layoffs of the 17 employees are due to "challenging business conditions, especially in Appalachia," and that they "regret the need to reduce employment." It is an internet company in Kentucky?Why?

    Providence Journal- The latest round of 23 layoffs come as the paper suffers further circulation declines. Newspapers have been dieing for years.

    Boeing-The measures come as U.S. weapons makers are under pressure to cut costs and preserve profit margins amid dwindling defense spending in the U.S. Spoiler alert......The war is over quit fighting!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok now lets lay people off now.

    Hawker Beechcraft - In 2006, Raytheon sold the company to a consortium of Goldman Sachs and Onex Corporation. Th...





    You do know the the Blaze site you referenced is owned and operated by none other than that moderated voice of America Glen Beck dont you

    Westinghouse is a defense contractor and the layoff u r referring to are at the chemical weapons incenerator. we have no more chemical weapons.

    Research in Motion LTD-With Apple's i-phone, Samsung's Galaxy, and other android-based smartphones all the rage, fewer people want a Blackberry. Who is Research In Motion ltd exclusively tied to? Blackbury

    Lightyear Network Solutions- Company officials could not speak on camera but said in a written statement the layoffs of the 17 employees are due to "challenging business conditions, especially in Appalachia," and that they "regret the need to reduce employment." It is an internet company in Kentucky?Why?

    Providence Journal- The latest round of 23 layoffs come as the paper suffers further circulation declines. Newspapers have been dieing for years.

    Boeing-The measures come as U.S. weapons makers are under pressure to cut costs and preserve profit margins amid dwindling defense spending in the U.S. Spoiler alert......The war is over quit fighting!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok now lets lay people off now.

    Hawker Beechcraft - In 2006, Raytheon sold the company to a consortium of Goldman Sachs and Onex Corporation. This deal left the company with a heavy burden of debt which it struggled to support from the economic crisis of 2008 onwards. Further updates are promised as the company attempts to emerge from Chapter 11 protection as a stand-alone company. Does this reak of a Bain Capital type move to u 2?

    Catepillar Inc in Minnesotta- Caterpillar Inc. responded to the struggling timber industry this week with news that it will shut its tree harvester plant in Owatonna to cut costs and consolidate operations in Georgia and Wisconsin leaving 100 without a job. Laid-off workers will receive severance packages with health insurance, and will be offered job search assistance from the Minnesota Dislocated Workers Program. With housing market in the shape it is by Bush, I am shocked this did not happen earlier.

    Gomers Chicken- Not Gomers Chicken!!!! Say it aint so!!! As it turns out Owner Dimitrios “Jimmy” Milis purchased the Gomer’s Plaza restaurant, at 615 E. 99th St., in 1995, but he said new lease negotiations didn’t work out with his landlord so he will close the restaurant Dec. 30 because the place was just not big enough. About 18 months ago, Milis, a native of Greece, opened a Greek restaurant, Never on Sunday, at 9932 Holmes Road, also in Gomer’s Plaza.

    After I learned about Gomers Chicken I was just too despondent to contine my research.
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  • Bill rbeas 2012/11/10 16:07:39
    Bill
    You raised many valid points and many are due to a weak economy with a 1.3% GDP. But, many see Taxmagedon coming and ObamaCare. Why do you think businesses are complaining about them and are against it and had over 1,400 waivers to be deferred from it until 2014? Because they could afford it??? Even the unions needed waivers. They expire in 2014.
    However, I am more concerned with the Darden Restaurants chain. Hours will be cut down to a 28 hour work week. What then? Less money for the workers. They will most likely have to get two jobs to keep above water.
    While we disagree on what is behind all of this we will see what happens at the beginning of the year. When there is NO compromise, sequestration will go through. What then? You can blame the Reps, I will blame the Dems. Makes no difference. What do you think the effects will be? It stands to reason that if you take money from ANYONE that they have less to spend whether it's through taxing of health care. Money IN, money OUT. It's the money OUT that one has to worry about.
    Besides, what is a FAIR share of the tax burden? What about the bottom 49% that pay no Federal Income Taxes? What about that fair share? I've never heard Obummer say, "Hey, they have to pay their fair share, just as YOU do. So, I will tax them a 0%. That's only fair."
  • rbeas Bill 2012/11/10 06:56:09
    rbeas
    The waivers you are referring to are not automatic. They all have to be reviewed to see if the company that submits them would qualify them to opt out of the syster or enter the system with less coverage. No one has paid a dime in at that point.
    And cant until all states opt into or out of the "insurance exchange" program. They have until Novermber 19, 2012 to submit their exchange program to the government for review. No fines or penalties until 2014.

    Beginning six months after the law’s enactment (by Sep 2010), all existing health insurance plans must:
    •Prohibit lifetime limits.
    •Prohibit rescissions.
    •Restrict annual limits.
    •Include limitations on excessive waiting periods.
    •Include a requirement to provide coverage for non-dependent children up to age 26;
    The law will not require employers to offer health insurance; however, beginning in 2014. Note there is a difference of OFFER and PAY FOR. The employer does not have to pay for it. They will however get a tax break if they pay for 50%.
  • Bill rbeas 2012/11/10 16:17:49
    Bill
    The problem with the exchanges is that they are not uniform from state to state.
    Also, if states opt-out of MedicAid Expansion (many will) then they don't have to set up State Exchanges.
    If they do opt-in, then the Feds will pay UP TO 85% of the premium, depending on income. After three years, the state must pay this and MedicAid Expansion will be withdrawn leaving the state to raise taxes to make up the difference in the loss. That is exactly WHY many states don't want it.
    If the states opt-out, then the Feds step in and creat their own exchanges. However, there will be no subsidies (by law) to the insured. The full cost is on them. Great.
    {Beginning six months after the law’s enactment ...}
    I'm not really against those things but how is the expense covered and who pays for it?
    { Note there is a difference of OFFER and PAY FOR. The employer does not have to pay for it.}
    That is a distinction without a difference. so, the employer say, "I'll OFFER you the insurance. Should you accept the OFFER, I will not pay for it." Does thet REALLY make sense to you? The why have the ACA and the mandate/tax to force compliance via the IRS?
  • Ladybythesea 2012/11/09 03:04:05
    Impeach Obama
    Ladybythesea
    +6
    "GET THAT SON OF A BITCH OUT OF AMERICA'S GOVERNMENT !!!!!!!
    You now have a DICTATOR , and what's worse are all you idiots that don't have a clue of what's really going on !!! You watch your local evening news, maybe 10 minutes of CNN and think you have all the info. I spend at least 3 hours every day with the news channels, that's WHILE I'm on the Internet, just to see what's going on. Oh yeah, to all those smartasses that says, get a life, or you need to get out more, to YOU ALL,
    I LOVE MY COUNTRY ENOUGH TO PAY ATTENTION !!!! My only regret is that I
    didn't start when I was 20 ! And to the na na na na na people still believing in hope and change, it will be come rope and chains ! Do your home work : westernjournalism.com
    & prisonplanet.com
  • hippycat Ladybyt... 2012/11/09 11:10:29
    hippycat
    +4
    To watch TV and the internet simultaneously means that you don't take anything in. You can only ever focus on one source - that's how human beings are made (try to listen to 2 conversations). Listening to Fox is more disinformation anyhow. And please, do you think what you say becomes true because you shout and insult? It just shows you for what you are - ignorant.
  • Bill hippycat 2012/11/09 13:14:45
    Bill
    Usually, INTELLIGENT people can focus on more than one task at a time. It's not difficult to discern, during tasking, what is being said on the radio and TV while reading stuff on the internet. Those things that pique ones interest may cause one to divert their attention and listen/read more closely. I can listen to Fox and Rush AND Google articles on the internet. Why? Because I am CAPABLE of it.
    You arguments against her were sarcastic and petty. Just because you have to take one step, stop, chew gum, stop, take another step, stop, chew gum, stop...doesn't mean that other people have to operate in the same limited manner.
  • hippycat Bill 2012/11/09 15:10:41
    hippycat
    I think I know a bit more about that - unless you're also a psychologists. You might take one or 2 words in (especially if your brain is 'trained' to focus on certain words. Let's say every time you hear Obama-care you'll take it in but whatever it is, it will be out of context). There have been multiple studies and the all came up with the same result, my gun-toting friend. Maybe you are super-human.
  • Bill hippycat 2012/11/09 15:42:40 (edited)
    Bill
    That I am. Look at my profile. While I am not a psychologist, my ex is. I have explored such things as Gazzaniga's split brain theory, brain physiology and behaviorist B.F. Skinner and others (interesting reads).
    I don't salivate at the sound of the ObamaCare "bell". Mine is a reasoned approach and an analysis of what it will, negatively, produce in both the health care system and the economy.
    Are you aware (can you explain) the difference to me in Federal Exchanges and State Exchanges? The difference and affect of states denying MedicAid expansion in their states? How does this affect the subsidies to patients (purchasers) of these policies? What is the effect on doctors? What about the reduction in payments to hospitals? Doctors? Increased number of patients (millions)? Doctors denying new patients because they will be refusing MediCare? What about the IPAB?
    I don't believe that you (at this moment) have any idea how to answer these questions. What about the effect on business? What about the $3000 fine per employee on non-participating employers for not buying the federally required insurance? What about the cost of the premium on those employers if they do participate? What has the Darden Restaurant chain said that they will do to avoid these costs? What if we have more peopl...

    That I am. Look at my profile. While I am not a psychologist, my ex is. I have explored such things as Gazzaniga's split brain theory, brain physiology and behaviorist B.F. Skinner and others (interesting reads).
    I don't salivate at the sound of the ObamaCare "bell". Mine is a reasoned approach and an analysis of what it will, negatively, produce in both the health care system and the economy.
    Are you aware (can you explain) the difference to me in Federal Exchanges and State Exchanges? The difference and affect of states denying MedicAid expansion in their states? How does this affect the subsidies to patients (purchasers) of these policies? What is the effect on doctors? What about the reduction in payments to hospitals? Doctors? Increased number of patients (millions)? Doctors denying new patients because they will be refusing MediCare? What about the IPAB?
    I don't believe that you (at this moment) have any idea how to answer these questions. What about the effect on business? What about the $3000 fine per employee on non-participating employers for not buying the federally required insurance? What about the cost of the premium on those employers if they do participate? What has the Darden Restaurant chain said that they will do to avoid these costs? What if we have more people covered and fewer doctors to take care of them? You know nothing about it, judging by your response.
    You are the Pavlovian response individual when you hear ObamaCare. The world is wonderful because he says so. Study it first then form an opinion.
    Look up some of the things I mentioned (or all) and get back to me with another clever response.
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  • hippycat Bill 2012/11/09 15:56:20
    hippycat
    +2
    No, I probably can't answer all these very specific questions and wouldn't try. I am also not sure that you can. It would, in any case, be nothing more than your version of the facts. (My version of facts against your version of facts - what would be the point?) I do know that in any civilized nation (and one as rich as the USA definitely) no one should have to die because of lack of healthcare. And there the US is way behind other civilized nations. Obama-care is not going far enough as far as I can see but it's a good starting point. A country is defined by the way it treats its weakest.
  • Bill hippycat 2012/11/09 18:07:22
    Bill
    +1
    If I didn't know about it how would I be able to ask you the questions? There is no variation or interpretation of the facts. They are there. So, you wouldn't try to research my questions and give me an answer? Well, that is pure ignorance and you support Obama in the same ignorant way. Don't fill me in on the consequences of the new law, just do it because it sounds nice. When it fails, and it will, the whole country fails. Look at England's NICE health care system. LOL
  • hippycat Bill 2012/11/09 18:18:08
    hippycat
    +2
    Since I live in the UK, I am very familiar with it.I believe in it and it's worth fighting for.
    For a moment I actually thought under all this machismo might be a decent human being, Begin to doubt it though....no, I certainly will not spent hours on the net to look up some things. There's are no facts, just different interpretations. Even stats can be manipulated depending on the way a question is put. And that's really enough for me. I am tired to repeat myself over and over again - most of the questions here are the same, just phrased differently.
  • john Bill 2012/11/09 22:49:53
    john
    +2
    i was agreeing with most what you said, until you seemed to take the p out of our health system, for your information we are in most part, happy with our system....only talk about what you know.....
  • Bill john 2012/11/10 01:07:06
    Bill
    What system? ObamaCare? Exchanges haven't even been set up yet nor MediCare expanded.

    {the p out of our health system}
    ??? the "p" out of our health system?
  • BlytheS... Bill 2012/11/10 04:33:56
    BlytheSpirit~bn0
    +3
    Wow Bill. For someone who thinks they can multi-task so well you're not proving it here. The above posters were obviously talking about socialized health care in Great Britain. The first of the two even spelled that out for you. Now, try to pay attention.
  • Bill BlytheS... 2012/11/10 16:36:31
    Bill
    I was paying attention. I see no difference between the U.K. NICE health care system and what ACA has to offer. My arguments against each would be the same. Besides, the main one I argued with was defending Obama and ACA. That was the topic of discussion, not N.I.C.E. Pay attention.
  • BlytheS... Bill 2012/11/10 19:01:36
    BlytheSpirit~bn0
    You have lost your way, dude. Perhaps a nap would help you along. You've made an ass of yourself on this thread and you know it. If I didn't find you so distasteful, I might actually feel sorry for you.
  • Bill BlytheS... 2012/11/11 00:22:16
    Bill
    Excellent rebuttal to the points I made. At least I know that you are not a multi-tasker. What you have said is quite profound. You're about as smart as Obama and the rest of his followers.
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