Do you think we've reached a point in this country where the popular vote should determine a president.

I think wev'e reached a point were we should not allow our candidates to lie ,and then pretend it never happened.

The electoral college should be abolished

It seems that my and my peers votes don't count for anything, I think the popular vote will capture the current American demographic much clearer than the electoral college ever could.

The Electoral College is obsolete.

What you are describing is a democracy.

Our country is not a democracy, it is a republic and the differences, although subtle, are very important. Our founding fathers knew that this country would litterally tear itself apartt if they had set up a democracy; one of the reasons that it has survived this long is that we have avoided one group of people developing a democracy and suppressing others.

This arguement has been going on since the inception of the US. The
reason for the Electoral College is a grand compromise between one vote
per state, and one vote per person. One vote per state favors the small
states, one vote per person favors the large states. Nothing has
changed. It isn't perfect, but it is still better than any other system
out there. Imagine what the discussion would be if it was popular vote.
It would then tout to the big cities, the farmers and the small towns
would have almost no voice, and if they did spout a voice, it would get
ignored, because the 8million in NYC is more than some states.

So you are saying that an individual's vote doesn't matter, because there might be 100 voters in the corner who think opposite. Sorry every vote counts whether you are from Maine or California. There is no guarantee that every voter in California will vote a certain way.

This might come as a shock to you, but the founding fathers didn't
think that the mass populace was informed enough or intellegent enough
to effectively select a national leader. They chose this in order to
avoid the inept "popular kid" getting in over the "informed nerdy kid"
that will actually do what is in the best interest of the US, not just
what is in the best interest of the big cities, or of just the small
townies. There is no guarentee that every voter will vote a certain
way, but if you look at the representitives, senators and the
governerors(all elected by popular vote) you will see that they are far
more corrupt and more easily bought by big business, greenies, ect,
than presidents have been.

Beyond time. The old electorial college is outdated. It was a political bandaid that we don't need anymore.

Absolutely! We wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now if the 2000 election would have been decided by the popular vote.

Of course, as long as the politicians can make it tough for people to vote in areas that would be prone to vote against them, we'll still have a problem. I live in Ohio and in the last national election there weren't enough voting booths in the Ohio State Un. area, the largest university in the country. People stood in line for 10 hours and many were turned away at poll closing time. It turned out it was a decision made by the republican administration in Ohio. Obviously, students would be more prone to vote Democrate so they didn't want them to vote.

I heard that after the 2000 election some nations talked about sending observers here to make sure our elections were fair, you know like we do for third world nations.

without question

But it won't happen. Not in the best interests of the politicians running and we're just We the People so....

That would make it a more accurate depiction of what Americans really want. I believe that the electoral college isn't that far off when you figure in the numbers and averages, but making the popular vote the decision maker would make the term 'every vote counts' ring true.

I believe so. After all, why all the advertising and campaigning, if not for the voters?