Do You Think the U.S. Should Stop Deporting Young Immigrants? (Obama Does)

Wow, it AMAZES me how many people really know nothing about illegal immigrant populations. SURE, some of them end up in better jobs as you have discussed. However, most end up in agricultural jobs, doing farming, working at barns, etc. Its hard work, incredibly long days and very low pay. Americans don't want to do these types of jobs.....and if they are willing to do it, they want more than minimum wage (who can blame them) which the employers in these positions cannot afford to pay. Hence why illegal immigrants fill these positions. I have a horse and have been to MANY barns in the past where illegal immigrants worked. The pay was ALWAYS the same, whether legal or illegal. The difference was that the citizens didn't want to work as hard as the illegal immigrants, didn't want to work the hours/the holidays (etc) for low pay. At one barn I went to, the employees were CONSTANTLY changing....no one stayed in the job for more than a few months. That is until a incredibly hard working illegal immigrant was hired. He worked his ass off, was willing to do TRIPLE the work of ANY of the legal workers we had had over the years and stayed for the remainder of my time there (3 years). For all I know, he is still there. He was a much better, much more consistant and much more willing worker than anything I had ever seen. His work ethic was amazing and should be appreciated instead of ridiculed. And as someone who boarded there and worried about the constant flow of new stable hands, it was VERY NICE to know there was ONE person there who knew the job, knew the horses and would get things done.

Just because you had your experience with illegals doesn't mean that those who have had quite a different experience with them, "really know nothing about illegal immigrant populations". You live in a different world than most people. You shouldn't speak that way until you've had the same experiences as other people have had. What you say would make sense if ALL they were doing was farm work, but that is very far from reality.

I have MANY friends in the construction and restaurant business who are out of work right now directly because unscrupulous employers have resorted to hiring illegals, and it was NOT because the illegals work any harder than anyone else. It was simply because they can pay them dirt cheap wages, and it isn't always because the employer can't afford to pay good wages either. They do it because they can get away with it. They can also treat them whatever way they want to, and abuse them, because the illegals are afraid to speak up from fear of deportation. Once one of them hires illegals, the rest have to do the same because they can't outbid the others for jobs. It's a vicious cycle. There are a lot of young people who can't get jobs in restaurants because they are taken by illegals.

I stopped going to a couple of the car washes around here because the Hispanic workers are lazy and do a terrible job on your car. Illegals are just like any other group of people. Some work hard, and some don't. If you went to a sporting event in my city, after the game,you would see that the entire clean up crews are all Americans, mostly African-American. It is a very filthy job for very low pay, so please don't tell me that Americans aren't willing to do hard jobs. I see them doing them every day. Who do you think was doing all the jobs illegals are doing today before the illegals were hired?

And your solution is give them taxpayers money.. Typical brain dead liberal way Read this,or get someone to read it to you,would
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Illegals from Terrorist Nations are Crossing the Border into Arizona
Tom McNamara and the Eyewitness News 4 Investigators have spent the last three months talking to experts and eyewitnesses.

The stories are compelling and the evidence is frightening, and just this week, Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo released a report showing that the problem is worse than anyone thought.

Here's what the Eyewitness News 4 Investigators uncovered.

"It's a Muslim prayer blanket. It was found about a mile and a half west from the Douglas port of entry in 2001."

Larry Vance is a rancher who lives near the U.S.-Mexico border in Douglas, Arizona.

For years, he says he's watched - and documented - thousands of illegals crossing the border and running away to eventual arrest... or freedom and anonymity somewhere in this country.

And in just one hour, during this stake-out along the border between Douglas and Bisbee, The Investigators count 198 illegals in five different groups crossing into the U.S. with no resistance.

Watch as they huddle in the bushes, then climb thru a few strands of barbed wire and run for freedom.

We called Border Patrol and waited another full hour, but no one ever came.

Later, we checked Border Patrol logs which note agents being dispatched following our call, but also note those agents found no signs of activity in the area.

"In recent years," Vance says, "the evidence some illegals leave behind is alarming."

Vance says, "Other log books, diary-type things, other bits and pieces of paper with Arabic written on them found in the area over the last few years."

We've all heard of the U.S. government's Terror Watch List: countries flagged because Americans are endangered by their citizens, yet regularly, illegals from those countries are crossing the Arizona border, blending in with groups of Mexican and South American illegal immigrants.

If apprehended, they are brought to this federal detention center in Florence, Arizona.

The investigators found that on this day, several individuals of this kind were being detained here, including some from Sudan, Iran, and even Iraq.

These are just the ones who were caught.

These detainees are called 'other than Mexicans' or OTM's. Most will eventually be sent back to their home country.

But some disappear very quickly, usually before they even reach this center or other holding facilities. They're taken away by tight-lipped federal agents to who-knows-where.

Who are they? They're called "Special Interest Aliens" or "SIA."

According to Ben Anderson, a retired U.S. Army Colonel, The SIA that they don't want to talk about. That's special interest alien. These are people from those countries that we consider terrorist threats."

Anderson is a retired U.S. Army Colonel who tracks illegal immigration from his home in Sierra Vista, Arizona. He has a website sharing his research into Special Interest Aliens.

"You will not read about that. You will not hear about that. They will not talk about that. They will not provide that info to the press."

Colonel Anderson says these Special Interest Aliens originate in the Middle East or Northeast Asia. They travel through Spain to what's called the tri-border area of Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay, then, to Mexico City.

They pay to learn Spanish language skills, and by the time they reach the U.S., they're acting and talking like Mexicans to fool border agents.

And, Anderson says, "They're entering the United States right through our backyard. "This is the main alley. It's called 'Cocaine Alley' or 'Terrorist Alley.' Whatever you want to call it, Arizona is the prime place."

"Cochise County is the center. It's the point of gravitus, center of gravity for all illegals," says Anderson.

Anderson says some Special Interest Aliens are well-funded. paying tens of thousands of dollars to be smuggled into this country. They manage to get passports from non-terrorist nations.

And here's the shocking part: if they are caught, they are often released on their own recognizance, never to be seen again.

According to Retired Border Patrol Agent David Stoddard, "There are Middle Easterners coming across the border as we speak."

Stoddard agrees with Anderson. Stoddard spent 17 years as a Border Patrol agent and supervisor in the Tucson Sector before retiring.

"What's scary is that I can show you places out here on the line right now where 18-wheelers can be driven across."

"These 18-wheelers can be loaded with anything -- illegal aliens, atomic weapons, whatever."

Stoddard says Americans would be shocked if they knew just how many people from all over the world are getting into this country across the Arizona border. And he says we're even less safe from terrorism today than we were before 9/11.

Take for example, the capture of terrorist suspect Jose Padilla. The Justice Department says Padilla and an accomplice planned to enter the U.S. thru Mexico to blow up apartment buildings in major cities, like New York.

Or the case of suspected al-Qaeda sleeper agent Mohammed Junaid Babar.

Babar has told investigators of a scheme to smuggle terrorists across the Mexican border. He's tied to a terror plot to carry out bombings and assassinations in London.

And the Tombstone Tumbleweed newspaper reports that in June, 53 Middle Eastern men were apprehended by Border Patrol agents near Willcox.

It's believed they were from Iran or Syria.

Stoddard says, "It's the ones who are sneaking into our country under cover of darkness between our ports of entry that concern me and should concern every American.

Border Patrol Council President T.J. Bonner says, "You don't know what is getting by you unless you come across, as you said, small pieces of evidence, remnants of things that give you clues, that not everybody is coming across from mexico looking for a job."

Bonner knows exactly who and what current agents are uncovering along our border and he has a dire warning:

"It's only a matter of time before another terrorist attack occurs, unfortunately."

Some in Congress are starting to take notice of the threat. Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo released a report that revealed a 50% increase in OTMs, illegals Other Than Mexicans, crossing the border.

Tancredo says some illegals from terrorist nations are paying as much as $50,000 to be smuggled in. He says they're not paying that kind of money simply to work at a 7/11.



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