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Do You Think the U.S. Should Stop Deporting Young Immigrants? (Obama Does)

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Barack Obama made headlines Friday as he stated that his administration will no longer deport young illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. when they were children. His announcement, as expected, was met with part-joy and part-skepticism -- as well as a heckler who constantly kept interrupting the president as he spoke.

"These are young people who study in our schools, they play in our neighborhoods, they're friends with our kids, they pledge allegiance to our flag. They are Americans in their heart, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper," the president said in his speech Friday morning. But he was also quick to add that this is not a permanent answer. "This is not amnesty. This is not immunity. This is not a path to citizenship... It's not a permanent fix," Obama said. Do you think the U.S. should stop deporting young immigrants?

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  • jean Sunny 2012/06/30 02:17:38
    jean
    +2
    What about OUR teenagers and college students (children) trying to improve their lives?
  • The Gov... jean 2012/06/30 14:21:29
    The Govenor
    +1
    What a novel concept, taking care of U.S.Citizens. I like that.
  • Sunny jean 2012/07/04 14:07:16
    Sunny
    "OUR" teenagers and college students? Nothing is preventing them from being all they can be.
  • jean Sunny 2012/07/04 15:40:29
    jean
    Uh - yes OUR (AMERICAN CITIZENS) lack of opportunities and being saddled with enormous debt (both personal and public). Most importantly few job prospects.
  • Sunny jean 2012/07/07 11:12:43
    Sunny
    The problems with debt, economy and job prospects are not being caused by immigrants. There are most bigger influences at play here, both in the US and in many other countries. It's about balancing... and a Congress which is suppose to LEGISLATE.
  • jean Sunny 2012/07/07 14:23:54
    jean
    GREATLY compounds are already overwhelming problems. It takes away from from EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE AND PRISON - big time. Not to mention jobs.
  • The Gov... Sunny 2012/06/30 14:31:06
    The Govenor
    +1
    We are "discussing" ILLEGAL ALIENS. Why can't you people get that through your thick skulls?
  • Sunny The Gov... 2012/07/04 14:08:28
    Sunny
    We are also discussing HUMAN BEINGS!
  • The Gov... Sunny 2012/07/05 01:03:58
  • Sunny The Gov... 2012/07/07 11:18:41
    Sunny
    I guess you levels of spirtuality are pretty low.. eh?
    Keep in mind that each ethnic group that has entered this country has contributed to the whole. If you have ever been around Mexicans to see how hard they work, often doing jobs US born citizens don't want or wouldn't do as well, you might just sit down to dinner of vegatables and/or bite into an apple, and appreciate their existance here.
  • The Gov... Sunny 2012/07/07 15:48:05
    The Govenor
    +1
    Lady, what part of ILLEGAL aren't you getting? Are you in denial or just plain ol' stupid? I know more about this subject than you will ever know.
  • Sunny The Gov... 2012/07/08 16:31:37
    Sunny
    I am neither in denial nor stupid.... and who are you to make the last statement!!!! How can you be so ridiculous?
    Laws and rules are made by humans, like YOU and me. "Rules" and laws always have to be modified, adjusted, and flex (like our minds and hearts) to accomodate change, humanity, life, and grow... It's called evolving as human beings .....
  • The Gov... Sunny 2012/07/09 04:29:05
  • Sunny The Gov... 2012/08/01 15:03:00
    Sunny
    NO... here is the definition of ignorance:
    http://www.safeshare.tv/v/fJu...
  • The Gov... Sunny 2012/08/01 15:34:49
    The Govenor
    Ya diverted from reality and the question posed to you, ya must be a liberal.
  • Sunny The Gov... 2012/08/04 15:34:46
    Sunny
    Nah... just another human being like you are...
    And remember "reality" is just a thought... any thought... that has been repeated... Therefore there is no real reality.
  • The Gov... Sunny 2012/08/05 03:03:46
    The Govenor
    OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH boy!!! You're out there.
  • Sunny The Gov... 2012/08/07 15:16:25
    Sunny
    Not really... just new perspectives... Think about it... Which is "right"? YOUR reality? or MY reality? Spirituality and the way people think is evolving, as it always has... It is just happening faster and faster as technology speeds up the pace. Many are seeing patterns of humanity that no longer serve us.
  • The Gov... Sunny 2012/08/07 23:28:57
    The Govenor
    Whackooooooooooooooooooooooo!...
  • Sunny The Gov... 2012/08/08 01:59:10
    Sunny
    See if you can grasp any of this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • The Gov... Sunny 2012/07/10 02:38:11
    The Govenor
    Free Lunch...
    900 teachers just got laid off from the Los Angeles Unified School District . They are $650,000 over their annual budget.

    The following English teacher helps to explain one area that looms large over California 's educational crisis.


    This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet.

    This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent.

    >From a California school teacher and department head.

    "As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
    I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southernCalifornia high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

    Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc.. where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

    Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.


    I estimate that well...


































































    Free Lunch...
    900 teachers just got laid off from the Los Angeles Unified School District . They are $650,000 over their annual budget.

    The following English teacher helps to explain one area that looms large over California 's educational crisis.


    This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet.

    This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent.

    >From a California school teacher and department head.

    "As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
    I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southernCalifornia high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

    Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc.. where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

    Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.


    I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also providesday care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls(some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.


    I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America .


    I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less than 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas"(whores) and throwing things, that the teachers were in tears.

    Free medical, free education, free food, day care, etc, etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled not only to be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

    To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

    Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

    Americans, We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

    It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and anAmerican culture that has become so weakand worried about"political correctness " that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

    If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know including your Congressmen and Senators.

    CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

    Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

    Consumers don't want expensive produce.

    Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

    But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth and a lie.
    There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

    Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

    He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

    He qualifies for food stamps..

    He qualifies for free (no deductible), noco-pay) health care.

    His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

    He requires bilingual teachers and books.

    He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

    If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI.
    Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

    He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

    Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

    He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour inbenefits.

    Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills AND the illegals.

    The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

    Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!

    THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'

    THIS HAS GOT TO BE PASSED ALONG TO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OR WE WILL ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE A FEW DON'T CARE.
    To Ignore the facts
    does not
    Change the facts.

    T-121 and counting
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  • Sunny The Gov... 2012/08/01 15:18:08
    Sunny
    Granted, we need improvements, change and better decriptions of "good food". Recggnizing the problems, speaking out is the start. In all situations, change is inevitable and WE are the change. Look how much Michelle Obama has brought better food, lower obesity, and exercise into focus.
    This article represented one frustrated employee in a very extreme, isolated and dramatic position. (Another in his/her position may have taken more initiative to object and change her world a bit. ??)
    And... remember.... this country was created by immigrants except for Native & African Americans.
  • The Gov... Sunny 2012/08/01 15:37:14
    The Govenor
    What part of ILLEGAL isn't sinking into your thick scull?

    BTW- Mooseshell is an obese slob.
  • Sunny The Gov... 2012/08/04 15:37:18
    Sunny
    Laws are made by humans... Humans are made by God with choices.
    Who is Mooseshell?
  • The Gov... Sunny 2012/08/05 03:04:41
    The Govenor
    You definitely need to get back on your meds.
  • Sunny The Gov... 2012/08/07 15:17:41
    Sunny
    No pills... no booze.... I just think... and don't need to call people names or use cliches or rage to express myself.
  • The Gov... Sunny 2012/08/07 23:30:25
    The Govenor
    "I just think"?? Ya might wanna re-access that.
  • Magnus ... Sunny 2012/06/21 20:17:49
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    You show a very clear lack of what Congress is there to serve the purpose of... let me educate you... it is Congress' job to SERVE THE WILL OF WE THE PEOPLE, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE NATURAL-BORN AND NATURALIZED AMERICAN CITIZENS - NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AND THEIR CHILDREN. This is not supposed to be a politburo here, nor a Dictatorship. If even just 2/3rds of WE THE PEOPLE do not want something, that's supposed to be the end of it (and in the reverse, if 2/3rds of WE THE PEOPLE do want something, it is supposed to get done - not be shuffled away under the carpet). It is bad enough our Republic somewhere along the way faded into a full-fledged Democracy (a Republic is a far cry from a Democracy, and a Democracy a very far cry from being anything else other than outright Totalitarianism) and which now apparently is not even in effect either, let alone to be having a Congress and POTUS unwilling to follow the letter of the highest law of this Nation that we have, which would be the Constitution. Nevermind the tripe that current and past politicians have puled out of their asses, but THE CONSTITUTION.

    And that's the core of the issue here. And it is ENTIRELY un-American to go against what I've just explained to you here. It is ENTIRELY un-American to put foreign Nationals ahead of yo...
    You show a very clear lack of what Congress is there to serve the purpose of... let me educate you... it is Congress' job to SERVE THE WILL OF WE THE PEOPLE, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE NATURAL-BORN AND NATURALIZED AMERICAN CITIZENS - NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AND THEIR CHILDREN. This is not supposed to be a politburo here, nor a Dictatorship. If even just 2/3rds of WE THE PEOPLE do not want something, that's supposed to be the end of it (and in the reverse, if 2/3rds of WE THE PEOPLE do want something, it is supposed to get done - not be shuffled away under the carpet). It is bad enough our Republic somewhere along the way faded into a full-fledged Democracy (a Republic is a far cry from a Democracy, and a Democracy a very far cry from being anything else other than outright Totalitarianism) and which now apparently is not even in effect either, let alone to be having a Congress and POTUS unwilling to follow the letter of the highest law of this Nation that we have, which would be the Constitution. Nevermind the tripe that current and past politicians have puled out of their asses, but THE CONSTITUTION.

    And that's the core of the issue here. And it is ENTIRELY un-American to go against what I've just explained to you here. It is ENTIRELY un-American to put foreign Nationals ahead of your own Citizenry and blatantly disregard their wishes and will, for the wants of again, a foreign Nation's subjects. Not only is that un-American, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND CRIMINAL - IT IS TYRANNY!
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  • Sunny Magnus ... 2012/06/29 20:09:14
    Sunny
    Keep in mind, that all but Native and African Americans have immigrated here... that our Constitution was created to represent our wishes.... Today's Congress represent political parties, specific religions, and their individual careers.... They are suppose to respect ALL people... and legislate.. adjusting and creating the "rules" to find the best solutions to ever evolving new situations that come up.... and make life better for all of us.
    I wonder today, how you have reacted to yesterday's legal interpretation of our Constitution? The President said it all yesterday when he said, "I sure didn't pass the Health Bill for political gain, but to help all Americans... At least we have one person who does consider all of us rather than his own BS.
  • Magnus ... Sunny 2012/06/29 20:56:12 (edited)
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    If you are insinuating that these MEXICANS are indigenous, then you apparently have never heard of The Spanish Conquest of the Aztecs (1519-1521). The SPANIARDS slaughtered the Aztecs and commandeered their lands, which are now known collectively as MEXICO. They COMPLETELY wiped them out. These "Mexicans" are NOT indigenous whatsoever (and the plain ass clue of this FACT is that they speak what language? ... ... SPANISH)! And now they endeavor (and are succeeding by and large in) doing the same thing to us, just without raising a striking hand to do it this time.

    And as for the "Native Americans" (of which I share 3% of my overall bloodlines with through my dad, by the way): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sc... ALSO not indigenous.

    Further, the DIFFERENCE between now and then is the fact that we now have something called the RULE OF LAW, NATIONS and BORDERS - not a lawless, wild land with ancient "castle law" anymore - and there CERTAINLY was not any socialism whatsoever for them to come and suck off of, bankrupting everyone else there, either. And also, those who immigrated here LEGALLY did so from Ellis Island, my grandmother's family came here (again) LEGALLY through Ellis Island from Norway. They did not sneak in and they worked their assess off (while, again, being LEGALLY NATU...

    If you are insinuating that these MEXICANS are indigenous, then you apparently have never heard of The Spanish Conquest of the Aztecs (1519-1521). The SPANIARDS slaughtered the Aztecs and commandeered their lands, which are now known collectively as MEXICO. They COMPLETELY wiped them out. These "Mexicans" are NOT indigenous whatsoever (and the plain ass clue of this FACT is that they speak what language? ... ... SPANISH)! And now they endeavor (and are succeeding by and large in) doing the same thing to us, just without raising a striking hand to do it this time.

    And as for the "Native Americans" (of which I share 3% of my overall bloodlines with through my dad, by the way): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sc... ALSO not indigenous.

    Further, the DIFFERENCE between now and then is the fact that we now have something called the RULE OF LAW, NATIONS and BORDERS - not a lawless, wild land with ancient "castle law" anymore - and there CERTAINLY was not any socialism whatsoever for them to come and suck off of, bankrupting everyone else there, either. And also, those who immigrated here LEGALLY did so from Ellis Island, my grandmother's family came here (again) LEGALLY through Ellis Island from Norway. They did not sneak in and they worked their assess off (while, again, being LEGALLY NATURALIZED CITIZENS) to build a better life for themselves.

    Trying to compare these instances to the INVASION of Foreign National Alien FELONS who sneak over here, and sit on their assess popping out a dozen kids primarily to suck off of welfare and other public dole SOCIALISM that they did not work to pay one red cent into first like everyone else who is able to work has had to do, is LUDICROUS!!!
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  • Sunny Magnus ... 2012/07/04 14:17:32
    Sunny
    No, I was not suggesting that Mexicans are indigenous.... I mentioned Native Americans who were here before the English and French and Spainards decided that this land was theirs. And then I also mentioned African Americans who were brought here by force.... Before we condemn others, let us balance who we are.
    Change is a part of existence.... Laws and PEOPLE must flex and changes as new circumstances and facts presnt themselves. Rantings & rage never have helped anything.
  • Magnus ... Sunny 2012/07/09 15:05:06
  • Sunny Magnus ... 2012/08/01 15:22:50
    Sunny
    Your anger and frustration is a start. NOW, consider positive and uplifting solutions you can make yourself to create a better country with superior bitching. Take a look at these "normal" looking Americans and listen to their answers. Another awakening for the need for change????
    http://www.safeshare.tv/v/fJu...
  • Magnus ... Sunny 2012/08/08 22:57:49
  • Sunny Sunny 2012/08/09 02:23:07
    Sunny
    Wow... check out this answer (below) I got and he blocked me... Please, someone do him a favor and ask where genocide came into this... OMG some of the people on this site are SOOOOO sad! scary eh?
  • Pete 2012/06/20 09:07:30
    No
    Pete
    +5
    Where is Obama's concern for helping and supporting young AMERICANS!? When will the influx of illegal aliens end now that Obama has validated it? We can't afford to adequately educate our own young Americans, and now Obama is opening the gates to untold multitudes of future aliens who will be educated at taxpayer expense. This validation of illegal U.S. entry will encourage inestimably large numbers of foreigners to enter this country illegally and to bring their children with them so that they can receive the benefits and support that are being withheld from young American citizens. Obama's disregard of the law is an absolutely outrageous travesty which must be reversed in the November election!
  • jerry.alan.carroll 2012/06/20 09:02:30
    I'm not sure
    jerry.alan.carroll
    as much as I want to say yes, I can't because this would separate the kids from their parents....I am split on this. there was an issue like this in japan not too long ago and it was heart wrenching for all to watch
  • The Gov... jerry.a... 2012/06/20 15:06:10
  • jerry.a... The Gov... 2012/06/21 08:26:11
    jerry.alan.carroll
    a child born in America only knows english and the American culture getting sent to some third world country because the parents were stupid...the child should pay?
  • The Gov... jerry.a... 2012/06/21 15:44:50
    The Govenor
    +2
    YES, and we need to stop the anchor baby loophole.

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