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Do You Think the U.S. Should Stop Deporting Young Immigrants? (Obama Does)

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Barack Obama made headlines Friday as he stated that his administration will no longer deport young illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. when they were children. His announcement, as expected, was met with part-joy and part-skepticism -- as well as a heckler who constantly kept interrupting the president as he spoke.

"These are young people who study in our schools, they play in our neighborhoods, they're friends with our kids, they pledge allegiance to our flag. They are Americans in their heart, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper," the president said in his speech Friday morning. But he was also quick to add that this is not a permanent answer. "This is not amnesty. This is not immunity. This is not a path to citizenship... It's not a permanent fix," Obama said. Do you think the U.S. should stop deporting young immigrants?

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  • Haruko.Haruhara 2012/06/18 21:44:14 (edited)
    No
    Haruko.Haruhara
    +6
    They are here IIIegally period.



    I will NOT be paying for their food, taxes, college or anything else they want.



    It's bad enough we have Moms who get paid to have baby after baby.

    Makes sense as No bama would say no seeing as when he lived in Indonesia with his mom he relinguished his American rights becoming an Indonesian citizen, he shouldn't even be president.
  • NotSoSi... Haruko.... 2012/06/19 02:37:25
    NotSoSimple
    +1
    Yes, yes, yes and yes!!!
    Well, let's do not forget that Obama's uncle and aunt are illegally in this country, and got away with it. Some president do we have. God help us!
  • Haruko.... NotSoSi... 2012/06/19 08:37:17
    Haruko.Haruhara
    Thank you for the comment, and Lord God help us all.............................
  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/06/18 21:34:23 (edited)
    No
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +8
    In fact they should make E-Verify the law. This iwas caused by their parents. It was a mistake to have the first two amnesties.
  • Saye Saye 2012/06/18 21:29:51
    I'm not sure
    Saye Saye
    +3
    It's more like the parents need to be charged. The kids had no choice
  • NotSoSi... Saye Saye 2012/06/19 02:38:28
    NotSoSimple
    They have choice know. They need to go home!
  • Laura NotSoSi... 2012/06/19 03:40:12
    Laura
    +1
    But if a child was brought here at a month old and grew up knowing no other home, then why should he/she be deported. Take this scenario, a young girl was brought into this country at a month old. She grew up in Florida, did well in school and was happy to work hard. She had NO idea she was illegal and has never known any place but America as her home. She has a strong allegiance to America and loves her country. She graduates high school at the top of her class, but when she goes to apply for colleges, her parents are forced to tell her the truth, that she has no SS number and is here illegally. This makes it nearly impossible to go to college or to get a good job. Her future has just dissapeared in front of her eyes. Her choices now are to stay in America, the only country she has ever known but stay hidden in the shadows, working crap jobs and never reaching her potential OR to go back to El Salvador, the country where she was born, where she will be lucky to make $5 for a full day of hard work and since the American dollar is the national currency of El Salvador, $5 does not go very far.

    Why should this girl with so much potential be sent back to El Salvador, a country she has NEVER known. If she was allowed to stay, who knows what she could contribute to our society.
  • kevjon Laura 2012/06/19 14:13:12
    kevjon
    Your scenario is just what Obama said, but lets take your scene. Obama said people over the last 5 years, so how did this girl work hard at the age of five? He also said people up to the age of 30, now how did a parent bring a 30 year old as a child. Do you not see what is going on here, this is pure political at our cost. You truly don't understand what the consequences are of pushing this migration issue. It will kill us economically, why cant you see that?
  • Laura kevjon 2012/06/19 14:41:14 (edited)
    Laura
    Please look up the information again. This law is protecting people who came in BEFORE the age of 16. If a person came in at 16 and has lived here for the past 14 years, he is protected under this law. If he came in at 17, he is not. If a child came in at one year old and is not 20, she is protected. They same child would not be protected if she came in at 20 and is now 30.

    And by the way, allowing these immigrants who came in as children to come out of the shadows will help our economy, not hurt it.
  • kevjon Laura 2012/06/19 21:08:14
    kevjon
    Excuse me but they are illegal no matter who brought them in. Leave it to a liberal to follow the bleeding heart. This as you say law is against the constitution and is illegal. Obama has no right going around the law and doing this behind congresses back.
    As far as helping our economy how do you figure it will help when our own people are out of work?
    I have 5 friends whose kids are moving back due to a lack of jobs. You need to quit saving the world and focus on us. If we keep this up we will never be able to help anyone in the future.
    Please, if you feel a need to help someone open your house to the needy and report back to us in one year. If all the liberals opened their homes to the illegals and shared their income the problem would be solved so what are you people waiting for?
    I would really like a responce from you based on my proposal.
  • Laura kevjon 2012/06/19 23:36:23 (edited)
    Laura
    If these kids would like to work the jobs illegal immigrants work, which are often hard physical labor, dirty, disgusting and full of horrible conditions, which little pay, I am sure that the employers would be happy to higher them instead. The fact is that people do not want to work these jobs. The pay is often barely minimum wage (if even). Most American's especially those with an education would NEVER consider working jobs like this for $7 an hour. Hell most Americans wont even work at McDonalds or Dunkin Donuts because they feel it is beneath them.

    And by the way, I would have no problem opening my home to an illegal immigrant. None at all.
    And as far as helping our economy, as I stated, most of the jobs worked by illegal immigrants are not ones that normal Americans would be willing to work. If we allow these immigrants to come out of the shadows, pay taxes and spend their earnings without fear of getting caught by immigration, this will greatly help our economy.
  • kevjon Laura 2012/06/20 04:19:13
    kevjon
    You say you would open your house but the fact that you haven't only shows where you truly stand. I have read your little stories about raped children and starving people with no water or food and I am calling your BS. You have not been to these places and you are letting your warped imagination run wild. Latin America isn't a death trap for people, Africa is but not Latin America. Yes there are cases but a very small percentage. You need to get a grip and understand that flooding this nation with that many people will kill our chances of being able to help. Now be a good person and practice what you preach by putting an add in the hispanic paper or radio station saying that you can house illegal immigrants.
  • Laura kevjon 2012/06/20 04:22:02
    Laura
    How do you know I havent? You really think I would publicly admit to "harboring" an illegal immigrant when it could technically get myself in trouble and put the immigrant in danger? Lets just say this, you are wrong. Period.

    And I did not say Latin America is a death trap for people. There are plenty who live happily with no issues, but there are also those who dont and for reasons beyond my knowledge, you refuse to acknowledge that.
  • kevjon Laura 2012/06/20 14:41:53
    kevjon
    I'm not a gullible liberal I realize that this world is not perfect but I also realize that we have our limitations of being able to help. You on the other hand find one case and now want to open our doors to anyone with the desire to move here. Now let me ask you, if you lived a poor life (sustainable but poor) and saw pictures of green fields and nice houses and knew that you could get that life for no effort, what would you do? If we keep allowing this idiot in DC to have his way you will see people looking to Latin America for a better place to live. By the way Latin America has a huge middle class.

    I have to ask why liberals trashed Bush for invading Iraq when it was a known fact (to those who were open minded and not out to trash Republicans) that Saddam Hussein was horrifically abusing and killing anyone suspected of treason. He mutilated villages and you people turner your heads and screamed spiteful verbiage at Bush unwilling to recognize the atrocities.
  • Laura kevjon 2012/06/20 16:58:52
    Laura
    I never trashed Bush for invading Iraq...that was not an issue I had with him. I did have an issue with him keeping soldiers there after we had completed our goals. Please stop blatantly putting me into these categories. You do not know me or the majority of my personal opinions...... so stop pretending you do.

    And all Obama is saying is that he doesn't want to focus his efforts on those who were brought here and children and grew up calling America home. Why can't you see what a good thing this is? These people are here either way (immigration does not typically deport children and immigration is not going to be able to find all these people UNLESS they come out of hiding)...so why not let them contribute to our society while AT THE SAME TIME, getting a hold on who has come into this country. Obama is bringing them out of the shadows, which when you think about it, is the ONLY way to get control of the situation. They can apply for two years to stay here legally and after that they would need to re-apply or go back to their home country. This is a good idea ion many levels....
  • Grandbr... kevjon 2012/06/19 22:12:11
    Grandbrother
    +1
    That scenario is based on a real girl who is facing precisely the situation described. And the 30 year old would have to've been under 16 when they arrived in the U.S. So if they came 14 or more years ago, then they would qualify retroactively.
  • kevjon Grandbr... 2012/06/19 22:45:11
    kevjon
    They are still illegal, you can skin a cat ten ways but you still have a cat in the end. I don't care how long they have been here they are still illegal. Would you let your daughter marry a murderer whose crime was ten years ago and never served? I don't think so. This is so typical of liberals to say a poor innocent starving baby girl is going to get raped and killed if she gets sent back to Guatemala therefore everyone is facing the same fate and you Republicans are so mean to send them back. So instead lets let all the babies stay here and then we can deal with the parents saying how unfair it is to kick them out away from their babies. You just wait and see how that works with you liberals then that number will go from 800 thousand to 4 million.
  • Laura kevjon 2012/06/19 23:39:20
    Laura
    +1
    Look, either way these immigrants are here and will most likely, not be deported anytime soon.

    Immigration needs to focus on border control and deporting people who are a danger to our society, not innocent children. This is what makes Obama's proposal so perfect. Not to mention it is just the right thing to do, at least to anyone who can think of someone else before they think of themselves.
  • Grandbr... kevjon 2012/06/20 04:00:13
    Grandbrother
    +1
    I'm not a liberal. You may be surprised to learn that approximately two thirds of Americans support the immigration policy change Obama announced last week, including moderate independents like myself.

    That being said, an illegal immigrant is nowhere near on par with a murderer. Allowing responsible, promising young people who are illegal through no fault of their own to have the chance to make something of themselves while contributing to the betterment of our economy is a far cry from letting my daughter marry a convicted murderer. If you can't see that differentiation, then we should probably end our conversation now.

    Incidentally, the DREAM Act is originally a Republican proposal, and a good one at that.
  • kevjon Grandbr... 2012/06/20 04:25:50
    kevjon
    And where do you get your information about two thirds supporting it? I work with hard core liberal Hispanics that are pissed about this issue. This is what you people do, you throw numbers with no fact to back them up and then you start believing in your own fantasy.
  • Grandbr... kevjon 2012/06/20 04:42:21
    Grandbrother
    +1
    http://www.boston.com/politic...

    Who are "you people"? I'm a single individual.
  • kevjon Grandbr... 2012/06/20 04:47:36
    kevjon
    You people are the ones who deliberately choose to ignore our immigration laws of this country.
    You people who defend Obama and his arrogant disregard for our laws.
    That's who you people are, surprised you needed help figuring that out.
  • Grandbr... kevjon 2012/06/20 18:29:31
    Grandbrother
    +1
    Not sure how you're reaching your conclusions given that one, Obama has had more illegals deported than any other past President, and two, the Dream Act that provided the blueprint for Obama's announced immigration policy change is originally Republican legislation that enjoyed sweeping Republican support when it was first introduced.
  • kevjon Grandbr... 2012/06/20 04:56:43
    kevjon
    By the way it doesn't matter what people think, there is a law that says he doesn't have the authority to pass that law without a ruling from congress. Obama is breaking the law once again.
    Boston doesn't represent the majority and word on the street is that Latinos are not buying this. They have to live in the same economy as the rest of us and they can see that 800 thousand more people pushed into the economy threatens their jobs as much as ours. Obama's timing really sucks and his down fall is going to be his weak economy.
  • Grandbr... kevjon 2012/06/20 18:39:03
    Grandbrother
    Obama isn't passing any law. He's exercising his executive power to suspend the execution of illegal immigration policy where a very specific demographic is concerned. Not sure where you get all this "pass that law" stuff.

    I'm also not sure what you mean by "Boston doesn't represent the majority". Are you saying that you actually think the poll I referenced is only of Bostonians simply because the source I linked was Boston.com? You have to actually read the article's content you know, not just glance at the url. The poll was a national survey, not just a Boston one. The polling details are available here: http://media.bloomberg.com/bb... Let me know if I need to give you instructions on how to read this link as well.
  • kevjon Grandbr... 2012/06/20 18:48:18
    kevjon
    Your sources are liberal controlled, polls are and have been set up to push agendas. Yeah I'll run a poll by calling mostly Republican populated areas and give you a complete contradictory result....I don't buy into poles.
    As far as reading ability people aren't judge by their ability but by what they read. I would suggest that you step up the quality of your choices.
  • Grandbr... kevjon 2012/06/20 19:47:58
    Grandbrother
    Really? Sezer & Co of Des Moines Iowa is "liberal controlled"? Can you offer any evidence to support this, or to support your assertion that they targetted liberal populated areas? Because that runs counter to the methodology posted on the survey results themselves. I guess you struggled with reading and comprehending that second link as well...
  • Kris 2012/06/18 21:21:00
    Yes
    Kris
    +3
    Yes. Just don't allow illegal immigrants to use any money from the welfare system. (unless they've worked.) That's all.
  • God ble... Kris 2012/06/18 21:54:14
    God bless American freedom
    +2
    No not even if they have worked.
  • NotSoSi... Kris 2012/06/19 02:44:21
    NotSoSimple
    +1
    Kris, just to let you know that the illegals do get money from welfare. They get food stamps and other assistance if they have any children, and we all know they have lots of children. Popping children is what they do the best. They give birth every year in American hospitals and I don't think they pay for it, but we all know that nothing is free, someone has to pay. Your and me pay for it, THAT'S ALL.
  • kevjon NotSoSi... 2012/06/19 14:15:57
    kevjon
    My daughter just had a baby in the hospital and she was told that she couldn't leave until her bill was paid,stupid thing was that she prepaid and was due money back. Her nurse was pissed because she was not allowed to approach Hispanics for money.
  • Grandbr... kevjon 2012/06/19 22:14:16
    Grandbrother
    +1
    That sounds like pure b.s. What kind of cut-rate hospital holds their patients hostage until they pay their bill in full?
  • kevjon Grandbr... 2012/06/19 22:47:21
    kevjon
    That is not BS I was there when they told that to my daughter, you can think what you want. They said they would not release the baby till her bill was settled.
  • Grandbr... kevjon 2012/06/20 04:03:14 (edited)
    Grandbrother
    +2
    There must have been extenuating circumstances. A hospital cannot hold a baby hostage to compell immediate payment from a patient. Thats essentially kidnap and a demand for ransom. What's the whole story?
  • kevjon Grandbr... 2012/06/20 04:29:46
    kevjon
    The fact that my daughter prepaid and then found that they over charged her was dropped from that point on so I have no idea. She was made to prepay along with her health insurance prior to admission. Hispanics can walk into a hospital give birth and walk out without a penny having changed hands. We are in the medical industry and see it all the time.
  • Laura kevjon 2012/06/20 04:45:11
    Laura
    Hmmm...funny, my white, american friend was able to do the same thing. She has no insurance and yet was able to walk into a hospital, give birth and leave without paying a penny. She was sent a couple of bills but did not pay them. It's been four years, nothing ever came of it...the hospital stopped sending her bills 3 1/2 years ago. This is about not having insurance, not about being illegal.....at least around here
  • kevjon Laura 2012/06/20 13:08:31
    kevjon
    Some friend you have there, I'm sure you are proud of her. Let me guess she deserves it. Now the question here is, how is Obama helping the situation by killing jobs, flooding our population and giving free everything? Who is going to pay for that?
  • Laura kevjon 2012/06/20 13:29:30 (edited)
    Laura
    +1
    Absolutely not proud of her....I think shes an immature, selfish person. She also couldn't deal with having a child and I ended up adopting her son (the best things that ever happened to me followed equally by the birth of my second child). The only point of mentioning her was to show that it is not just illegal who can get free medical care if needed.

    You are going to have your opinion on this. I personally do not agree. All Obama is doing, in my opinion, is making it possible for these young people already in this country to pay taxes (instead of working in hiding) and to in turn, spend their money freely in America, helping to boost our economy. By doing this, he is also freeing up resources to work on the more important immigration issues such as border control and deporting dangerous immigrants.
  • kevjon Laura 2012/06/20 18:38:48
    kevjon
    So let me see if I got this right, you adopted a friends unwanted kid shortly after you gave birth out of wedlock and are engaged to a Salvadoran? I am getting a clear picture of who you are. You are the perfect picture of a true blooded Liberal, no wonder you think the way you do.
    I don't care if you want to save the world, ex friends kid and foreigners but just don't do it on my money, I will chose who I want to help not you and all your bleeding heart liberal friends.....leave my tax dollars alone.
  • Laura kevjon 2012/06/20 19:20:21 (edited)
    Laura
    Once again, you are jumping to conclusions and thinking you know everything when really you know nothing.

    I have been with my fiance for over 7 years. I adopted my older son (who by the way was NEVER unwanted. I have loved him from the moment he was born and its CLEAR he was destined for me and my family)3 years ago as a single mom when he was a year old. His birth mother was living with me when he was born as she doesn't have any family and we were helping her. When she had trouble being responsible, she asked me to adopt him and I gladly accepted. I had full custody of him at 6 months and he was legally mine at a year. My fiance took on the father role for him by the time I had custody and is an amazing dad.

    And yes, I accidentally got pregnant a little over 2 years ago, about a year after the adoption went through (after being in a fully committed relationship for 5 full years and having every intention to marry) and I gave birth to a beautiful little boy who has made my life complete. My fiance and I have been saving up for a large wedding (which is happening in september) which is the only reason we were not married much earlier. Wedding are expensive...especially when you have a couple of hundred people coming.

    And fyi- I dont think I ever said you should help anyone...

    Once again, you are jumping to conclusions and thinking you know everything when really you know nothing.

    I have been with my fiance for over 7 years. I adopted my older son (who by the way was NEVER unwanted. I have loved him from the moment he was born and its CLEAR he was destined for me and my family)3 years ago as a single mom when he was a year old. His birth mother was living with me when he was born as she doesn't have any family and we were helping her. When she had trouble being responsible, she asked me to adopt him and I gladly accepted. I had full custody of him at 6 months and he was legally mine at a year. My fiance took on the father role for him by the time I had custody and is an amazing dad.

    And yes, I accidentally got pregnant a little over 2 years ago, about a year after the adoption went through (after being in a fully committed relationship for 5 full years and having every intention to marry) and I gave birth to a beautiful little boy who has made my life complete. My fiance and I have been saving up for a large wedding (which is happening in september) which is the only reason we were not married much earlier. Wedding are expensive...especially when you have a couple of hundred people coming.

    And fyi- I dont think I ever said you should help anyone, I can tell what kind of person you are from our oh-so-pleasurable discussions on here. Can't say I am glad to have had them...but whatever.

    Keep on jumping to conclusions, judging people and acting like you know everything. Its clearly what you do best! Have a nice day!
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