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Do You Think the U.S. Should Stop Deporting Young Immigrants? (Obama Does)
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2012/06/15 23:15:45
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Barack Obama made headlines Friday as he stated that his administration will no longer deport young illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. when they were children. His announcement, as expected, was met with part-joy and part-skepticism -- as well as a heckler who constantly kept interrupting the president as he spoke.
"These are young people who study in our schools, they play in our neighborhoods, they're friends with our kids, they pledge allegiance to our flag. They are Americans in their heart, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper," the president said in his speech Friday morning. But he was also quick to add that this is not a permanent answer. "This is not amnesty. This is not immunity. This is not a path to citizenship... It's not a permanent fix," Obama said. Do you think the U.S. should stop deporting young immigrants?
Top Opinion
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Demonic Rat Hunter 2012/06/16 01:16:44
What if you were waiting to get a car, you spend a lot of money to hold that car on the lot, wait years just to have ownership and then someone steals the car and the police say that it's their car and they get the car before you do.
If people want in this country they need to abide by the rules like everyone else, you don't reward illegal behavior, it's a shame the kids have to pay for the parents mistake but there are lots of families waiting to be in this country, people with kids and I think those people should be rewarded not illegals.
I don't know how you don't get this...
We have become a sovereign nation, with laws set in place to protect not only its citizens, but also those seeking refuge here.
If we allow a specific group to bypass laws that we hold not only our own citizens, as well as legal immigrants to, then what does that show to those who seek to bypass those laws?
In reality it shows them that doing something illegal can be rewarded, and it might just carry over if they do make it here.
As far as lack of security, I blame that on the government that's supposed to be in place to protect its citizens. I will also blame the children because there is no excuse for ignorance of the law. We can't be subjective on who the law applies to simply because of their plight otherwise the law holds no authority and neither do the people who enforce them.
By upholding the laws that this nation has founded, in a fair and just manner, that makes us a compassionate and structured nation. We are not saying that we refuse immigration, we are just saying that we refuse "illegal" immigration. Many other nations take the same stance as the U.S., the only difference is in enforcement.
I think it should be easier to become a American citizen but because illegals make it that much harder on everyone, there are a lot of legal immigrant citizens who need jobs right now like every American does and what does Obama do? try and give special rights to people who are breaking the law.
Tell me, doesn't it piss you off that illegals are just cutting in front of your honorable Stepfather when he should be the one getting to the front of the line?
It saddens me that this country is rewarding illegal behavior and doing nothing to help good people who're actually working trying to get here legally.
If we actually enforced the laws and made it easier to gain access to be here it would make it easier on everyone, try to remember that it's because of crap that's going on with illegals that they're getting a cut in line before those who actually deserve to be called Americans like your Stepfather.
We need change and it's not amnesty, it's better handling of incoming soon to be new Americans, This would be a much better country if our immigration laws were not only enforced but our immigration policies changed to make easier access for those longing to be here legally.
I might be wrong on that though.
If citizens are held accountable for laws they didn't know about, then so should illegal immigrants.
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
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(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.
It is not my opinion, it is the FACT, it is THE LAW.
Perhaps you should do the same. But then I guess that would violate the "do as I say, not as I do" clause by the brainwashed masses advocating for the complete and total usurpation of this Nation's laws, especially those concerning our Constitution. Congress is our Legislative process (to which is the reason that we even have a Congress with REPRESENTATIVES for U.S. CITIZENS (NATURAL-BORN OR NATURALIZED - there's that NATURALIZED term again), so that they can serve the will of the majority of We The People), NOT 0bama and his powerless Edicts. The Constitution does NOT grant the Executive Branch ANY power over Immigration, much less for POTUS to usurp itself or our Legislative Branch through the issue of ILLEGAL EDICTS!
And 0bama knows this but went ahead and attempted to do it anyway!:
Yes, WONDERFUL people. Listen here, I went to the California public school system... I know EXACTLY what these people are like and they are NOTHING like the rosy people you seem to think they are. NOTHING like that. There were at least five violent fights BEFORE LUNCH every single day between these illegal kids, them ganging up on us whites, or up on the blacks, and I see what they're doing to my State and Country. The only thing that they want is AMERICA TO BECOME MEXICO - they would NOT be burning our flags and telling us all to go #uck ourselves and etc. etc. etc. if they really wanted to assimilate as Americans. They do not belong here, they need to keep all of their trash at home south of our borders! Unwanted, unwelcome, stay the #uck out!
Actually, he (POTUS) has the Constitutional power to grant COMPLETE amnesty to the WHOLE LOT OF THEM if he so chooses.
Like every President before him, he has the legal power to override the justice system, release anyone he chooses from imprisonment or from paying a fine, or from deportation, and return that person to a state of innocence as though he had never committed a crime.
In the United States, the pardon power for federal crimes is granted to the President of the United States under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, which states that:
“The President … shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.”
The Supreme Court — in accordance with its own Constitutionally granted powers (like it or not) has interpreted this language to include the power to grant pardons, conditional pardons, commutations of sentence, conditional commutations of sentence, remissions of fines and forfeitures, respites and, yes, AMNESTIES.
"Offenses against the United States" includes Immigration offenses, of course.
Moreover, the...
Actually, he (POTUS) has the Constitutional power to grant COMPLETE amnesty to the WHOLE LOT OF THEM if he so chooses.
Like every President before him, he has the legal power to override the justice system, release anyone he chooses from imprisonment or from paying a fine, or from deportation, and return that person to a state of innocence as though he had never committed a crime.
In the United States, the pardon power for federal crimes is granted to the President of the United States under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, which states that:
“The President … shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.”
The Supreme Court — in accordance with its own Constitutionally granted powers (like it or not) has interpreted this language to include the power to grant pardons, conditional pardons, commutations of sentence, conditional commutations of sentence, remissions of fines and forfeitures, respites and, yes, AMNESTIES.
"Offenses against the United States" includes Immigration offenses, of course.
Moreover, the power to do this is plenary. That is, it is complete and it is his alone. The president isn’t required to explain or justify his actions to you, to me, to Congress nor, for that matter, to anyone else .The power to pardon (or grant amnesties) is solely at the discretion of the president, and cannot be reviewed or overturned by any of the other branches of government.
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The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
It is talking explicitly about soldiers and government officials, ambassadors etc. (basically, people working under or with the federal government) and NOT about pardoning a whole slew of another Nation's citizens (notice also, the clause of 'except in cases of Impeachment' - which Citizens cannot be subjected too, it does not apply to anyone and everyone! And did you just gloss over this part in Article 1, Section 8 (powers of Congres)? "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization;" meaning exactly that, ONLY Congress! Pardoning foreign National citizens en masse would STILL not make them Naturalized Citizens! Even if it could, it would STILL be in violation of the Constitution because it granted ONLY Congress that power!!!
Brilliant!!!
How tough is that for you liberals to understand?
Brilliant!!!