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Kane Fernau 2012/07/04 17:53:25
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  • Hawkeye 2012/07/04 20:05:34
    Yes
    Hawkeye
    +8
    I think that it's safe to say that there would be NO such thing as Global Warming were it NOT for the existance of the sun..

    We have Orbital variances of the Earth to deal with,, the Earth's Wobble on it's axis.. The Moon's ever increasing distance which effects the lengths of the days.. Variances with Earth's Magnetosphere.. Solar Variances and cycles.. ALL of these things combine with other variables to produce CLIMATE CHANGE which has been going on since the FIRST day there was a CLIMATE to Change..

    You want to live on a CLimate Change FREE world??

    MOVE to the MOON.. No Climate.. NO change..

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  • Stormy 2012/07/06 06:53:19
    No
    Stormy
    +1
    Of course it could be. That's why climate scientists have studied it and have come to a consensus from all the data which clearly shows that the suns output has been on a decreasing trend for the last three solar cycles, and the reason the planet is warming is probably because of our CO2 emissions which have increased dramatically and rapidly since the fifties. I trust the scientific consensus which is formed from the opinions of experts in various fields of climate science. They know what is happening because they collect all the data and have made an informed decision on this grave and complicated global problem of climate change.
  • Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum 2012/07/05 19:30:28
    No
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +2
    There is no statistically significant correlation between solar activity and earth's climate.
  • Kane Fe... Warren ... 2012/07/05 23:03:55
  • Warren ... Kane Fe... 2012/07/05 23:10:01
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +1
    Here is a direct quote from your link:

    "Many researchers have tried to link sunspot activity to climate change, but the new results cannot be used to explain global warming, according to the scientists who did the study."
  • Kane Fe... Warren ... 2012/07/06 03:05:51
    Kane Fernau
    Why would a scientist getting paid to study global warming ever admit there was no global warming. They've already been exposed you are a little late.
  • Warren ... Kane Fe... 2012/07/06 03:46:21
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +1
    No, to believe that all the worlds scientists and scientific organizations are involved in a massive conspiracy to make this up is fodderfor the lunatic fringe tin foil hat crowd. The investigation into the leaked emails showed nothing improper.
  • Kane Fe... Warren ... 2012/07/06 04:24:59
    Kane Fernau
    Sure, You go on believing that
  • Stormy Kane Fe... 2012/07/06 06:55:52
    Stormy
    +1
    They are the facts. it's not a matter of belief.
  • Kane Fe... Stormy 2012/07/06 15:56:31
  • Stormy Kane Fe... 2012/07/10 05:49:37
    Stormy
    Any halfwit can write an article calling the vast scientific consensus drivel, but is that peer reviewed by all the experts in the field ? No. It's a bunch of lies which are spread via funding from the vastly profitable fossil fuel industry, the very industry which stands to lose the most. I know who I believe and it's not the liar liar pants on fire deniers.
  • Kane Fe... Stormy 2012/07/10 16:58:36
    Kane Fernau
    How many articles do you want? Any halfwit can get addicted to Kool aid if they drink enough.
  • Stormy Kane Fe... 2012/07/20 09:30:03
    Stormy
    Exactly. Which you are demonstrating rather well. Do you understand what PEER REVIEWED SCIENCE is ?
  • Kane Fe... Stormy 2012/07/20 18:55:03
    Kane Fernau
    Yea. I know that computer modela are just models and have nothing to do with climate change.
  • Steve 2012/07/05 06:01:09
    No
    Steve
    +5
    Most of the global warming we've seen since 2000 has been while the sun is has been at a low output state. We're only now seeing an upturn, and it's still below typical maximums.

    If the solar output is a significant factor, things will get very warm indeed over the next few years.

    output upturn typical maximums solar output significant factor warm years
  • Ambassador II 2012/07/05 05:34:22
    Yes
    Ambassador II
    +3
    Did you attempt to ask a fifth grade class this same question? Bet more than half of the students would come up with the right answer and explanation/ Of course the sun heats the earth with an amount of BTUs each day that is beyond measure. We who live on the planet and exhaust our wastes into the atmosphere build a blanket around the earth which prevents the heat from escaping. Ever get that feeling in the middle of the night that the bedroom is "too hot", only to find comfort when you toss off the nice acrylic blanket? In a very basic way you demonstrate how global warning occurs.
  • Kane Fe... Ambassa... 2012/07/05 23:04:26
  • gregaj7 2012/07/05 04:42:53
    Yes
    gregaj7
    +2
    It is the most logical solution. Even with the hottest summer on record here in Colorado Springs, I still do not accept "Global Warming" in the context provided. My stand that "Global Warming" is an effort of wealth-transference in the guise of taxation, of which I will not participate, even unto the point of elimination.
  • Ambassa... gregaj7 2012/07/05 23:20:16
    Ambassador II
    +3
    I know, and the community there is awaiting the "second coming" so as to avoid what is obvious. Consider the wealth transfers that are headed your way in the form of fire insurance premiums. Those insurance companies can raise the temperatures to any level they choose.
    It's all a conspiracy, you know what I mean?
  • gregaj7 Ambassa... 2012/07/06 00:12:41
    gregaj7
    +1
    Yes, I do, and I do NOT do business with any of them.
  • Stormy gregaj7 2012/07/06 07:00:00
    Stormy
    Perhaps you should go and talk to the people who just had their houses burnt to the ground and see if any of them are having doubts about global warming.
  • gregaj7 Stormy 2012/07/07 00:24:51
    gregaj7
    +1
    Perhaps you should get some information straight about the fire in my area, like maybe it was started by some people and not by natural causes.
  • Stormy gregaj7 2012/07/10 05:52:54
    Stormy
    +1
    Wildfires are an obvious outcome from extreme heat, causing dry lightening and winds that fan the flames. All natural causes.
  • gregaj7 Stormy 2012/07/10 06:10:22
    gregaj7
    +1
    Not the one we had here near Colorado Springs. No lightening.
  • Bob DiN 2012/07/05 01:44:36
    Maybe
    Bob DiN
    +1
    If there really is global warming which is questionable. In that case only the Sun is powerful enough to cause it.
  • Icarus Bob DiN 2012/07/05 16:50:26
    Icarus
    +3
    Not true at all. Our influences are now considerably larger than the variations in the sun's output -


    true influences considerably larger variations suns output
  • Bob DiN Icarus 2012/07/05 20:04:24
    Bob DiN
    +2
    Junk science.
  • Icarus Bob DiN 2012/07/05 21:18:42
    Icarus
    +1
    Of course :-)
  • Bob DiN Icarus 2012/07/05 23:10:58
    Bob DiN
    +1
    Agreed!
  • Kane Fe... Icarus 2012/07/05 23:04:51
  • Icarus Kane Fe... 2012/07/05 23:06:48
  • Kane Fe... Icarus 2012/07/05 23:21:27
    Kane Fernau
    Meteorologist Dr. Wolfgang Thüne Calls Potsdam Institute’s Science “Pure Voodoo Magic For Spreading Fear Among The Public”

    By P Gosselin on 29. Juni 2012

    Dr. Wolfgand Thüne

    As the science of the warmists gets exposed as woefully inadequate, slipshod and flawed, all they can do now is give each other awards in pompous ceremonies in an effort to generate a (fake) sense of achievement and contribution. They’ve been reduced to a pretend world.

    One example is the Technical University of Berlin recently awarding Prof. Hans Joachim Schellnhuber an honorary doctorate. Schellnhuber is Director of the infamously über-alarmist Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) and is chairman of the WBGU Advisory Council.

    Last year Schellnhuber and his WBGU published a “masterplan” calling for the dilution of democracy worldwide and forcing societies to take up a highly restricted “sustainable path” that would keep the planet from reaching his nine mathematically concocted “dangerous tipping points”. In it he advocates indoctrination and “changes in awareness”.

    Schellnhuber even once publicly stated that 1 billion people would be the ideal human population for the planet, which would be like eliminating all the world’s people except China and letting them have it all to themselves.

    Schellnhube...





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    Meteorologist Dr. Wolfgang Thüne Calls Potsdam Institute’s Science “Pure Voodoo Magic For Spreading Fear Among The Public”

    By P Gosselin on 29. Juni 2012

    Dr. Wolfgand Thüne

    As the science of the warmists gets exposed as woefully inadequate, slipshod and flawed, all they can do now is give each other awards in pompous ceremonies in an effort to generate a (fake) sense of achievement and contribution. They’ve been reduced to a pretend world.

    One example is the Technical University of Berlin recently awarding Prof. Hans Joachim Schellnhuber an honorary doctorate. Schellnhuber is Director of the infamously über-alarmist Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) and is chairman of the WBGU Advisory Council.

    Last year Schellnhuber and his WBGU published a “masterplan” calling for the dilution of democracy worldwide and forcing societies to take up a highly restricted “sustainable path” that would keep the planet from reaching his nine mathematically concocted “dangerous tipping points”. In it he advocates indoctrination and “changes in awareness”.

    Schellnhuber even once publicly stated that 1 billion people would be the ideal human population for the planet, which would be like eliminating all the world’s people except China and letting them have it all to themselves.

    Schellnhuber, however, having clearly drifted from science to radical policy formulation and advising, is coming under increasing fire from number of scientists and critics.

    For example, Dr. Wolfgang Thüne, a retired German meteorologist and member of the European Institute for Climate and Energy (EIKE) commented yesterday on Schellnhuber’s honorary doctorate:

    That Professor Dr. Hans-Joachim Schellnhuber, the inventer of the “tipping elements”, is now being celebrated and awarded an honorary doctorate is amazing. But what’s even more amazing is that he received this from the TU Berlin for his ‘outstanding scientific achievements in the fields of climate impact research and policy counselling’. Did the TU Berlin, in its addiction to political attention, even stop to consider just how much it is damaging its excellent reputation among the professional world?

    The climate science by Schellnhuber & Co. is pure voodoo-magic spreading fear among the public and reaching big time into the pockets of taxpayers.

    The Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) is senselessly wasting the money of taxpayers. ‘Climate protection’ is a scientific swindle because the weather is not something that can be protected.”

    Thüne even demands that the PIK be shut down immediately.

    That would be a small but effective step in preventing the national debt from getting out of control.“

    Dr. Wolfgang Thüne is a certified meteorologist, who for years was a meteorology expert for ZDF television, and has written about the falsifiications and fraud surrounding the UN IPCC. He is the author of numerous books. His latest work is: “Prophets in the Struggle for the Climate Throne. How primal fear is used in the struggle for money and power.”
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  • Icarus Kane Fe... 2012/07/06 00:31:02 (edited)
    Icarus
    +1
    Ah yes, the entire scientific community of the planet is wrong, and a washed-up TV weatherman is right. Gotcha.
  • Kane Fe... Icarus 2012/07/06 15:57:44
  • Warren ... Bob DiN 2012/07/05 19:32:43
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +3
    The equilibrium temperature of an object in space heated by the sun depends much more on the optical and thermal properties of that object than on the tiny fluctuations in solar output.
  • Bob DiN Warren ... 2012/07/05 20:06:04
    Bob DiN
    +1
    Fluctuations or not the Sun is powerful beyound comprehention.
  • Warren ... Bob DiN 2012/07/05 20:09:11
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +3
    No, the power output of the sun and the solar energy impinging on the Earth can be easily calculated. And the trend does not correlate with the observed change in climate.
  • Bob DiN Warren ... 2012/07/05 20:17:00
    Bob DiN
    +1
    I'm aware.
  • Warren ... Bob DiN 2012/07/05 20:19:15
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +2
    My point is the sun's power is easily measured, quantified and comprehended, as are solar fluctuations. So it is not correct to say it's power is "beyond comprehension".
  • Bob DiN Warren ... 2012/07/05 20:22:52
    Bob DiN
    +1
    I was refering to the average person. You're aware, I'm aware but not everyone is.
  • Kane Fe... Bob DiN 2012/07/05 23:05:10

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