The MSM in reality is the ACTUAL CAUSE of this tragedy ! I doubt this sick individual shot these poor children because he didn't like them. He shot them because it would be a ultra major act of violence that would shock the nation and he would become
infamous !
He knew the MSM would make sure the world would know his name, the world would see and remember his face, his background, just everything he wanted to achieve would be done by the MSM. Now the MSM won't even consider they played the major role, they will dwell on gun control. HYPOCRITICAL @$$holes !
Do you think the Liberal news media will overexpose the latest school shooting to push stricter gun laws and a American police state??
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2012/12/15 11:20:35
I defintely think it is a propoganda tool to push a society of less freedom! Do you think the Liberal news media will overexpose the latest school shooting to push stricter gun laws and a American police state??


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Risk 2012/12/15 13:34:25Yes, they will!!






















Philadelphia already has armed officers in our schools to protect teachers from their illegally armed sudents.
Second of all, your question is flawed, since stricter gun control and a so-called "police state" have nothing to do with each other. No one is suggesting that the Second Amendment should be repealed and no one is plotting to "take everyone's guns away". What the American people (including a majority of NRA members) want is common sense laws to prevent the likelihood of another tragedy like we saw in Sandy Hook Elementary. NO ONE needs an assault weapon for personal defense, and NO ONE needs a hundred or a thousand guns to keep their homes safe. The Second Amendment provides for a "well regulated militia", and all the American people want is to see the gun culture in our country "well regulated" as it was always intended to be. No one's rights are infringed by requiring background checks on ALL gun sales, including the "gun show loophole". No one is deprived of their rights by having to wait a few days before they get their new gun.
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Second of all, your question is flawed, since stricter gun control and a so-called "police state" have nothing to do with each other. No one is suggesting that the Second Amendment should be repealed and no one is plotting to "take everyone's guns away". What the American people (including a majority of NRA members) want is common sense laws to prevent the likelihood of another tragedy like we saw in Sandy Hook Elementary. NO ONE needs an assault weapon for personal defense, and NO ONE needs a hundred or a thousand guns to keep their homes safe. The Second Amendment provides for a "well regulated militia", and all the American people want is to see the gun culture in our country "well regulated" as it was always intended to be. No one's rights are infringed by requiring background checks on ALL gun sales, including the "gun show loophole". No one is deprived of their rights by having to wait a few days before they get their new gun.
Third of all, it is MORE guns in our communities that deprive us of our freedom, not less. I want to be free to send a six year old to school without worrying about whether she will come home or be shot. I want to be able to buy a package of Skittles and walk home without being chased down by some idiotic vigilante who doesn't like my looks. Those freedoms disappear with each additional gun that enters my community.
One thing that's worse than living in a police state is living in a war zone. I don't want to live in either, but the latter is the only one we are in danger of falling into if the conservatives once again manage to shout down sensible regulations to protect the 300 million people who live here.
Law providing gun purchase restrictions, background checks, mandatory waiting periods —-
FAIL
Law providing “Gun-Free Zones” — No weapons allowed on the premises
FAIL
Law designating homocide as intentional killing of another human being justifying capital punishment
FAIL
Law keeping teachers, administrators, school officials from arming themselves
FAIL
1994 Assault weapons BAN [if it were right now still in place]
FAIL
41 other various laws and useless garbage legislation
FAIL
Im done with liberal stupidness
The media doesn't need to "push" this. The pro-gun people are WRONG and will LOSE this one - because they SHOULD.
Typical HYPOCRITE
Less dead kids? Universal access to comprehensive mental health care, and a ban on assault rifles and large capacity magazines.
Anyone not in the police or military who thinks they need a semi-automatic rifle has a personality disorder.
I am not happy with the police state we have been LIVING IN SINCE NIXON/REAGAN . . . . but the people who think the solution is to go to war with ourselves are living in a fantasy land of video games and B movies.
Ban semi-automatic rifles and high capacity clips.
AND it should be easier to get comprehensive mental health care than it is to get a gun.
THAT'S what's going to happen. Argue away about the 2nd amendment - we ARE going to ban assault rifles and high capacity clips . . . it's going to happem, and it's RIGHT.
Arguing with that FAKE notion that gun ownership in under attack is misdirection and a waste of time.
This is about high capacity clips and semi-automatic assault rifles, and this is about mental health care.
Stop wasting time with this bullsh*t.
Ban semi-automatic rifles and high capacity clips.
AND it should be easier to get comprehensive mental health care than it is to get a gun.
THAT'S what's going to happen. Argue away about the 2nd amendment - we ARE going to ban assault rifles and high capacity clips . . . it's going to happem, and it's RIGHT.
This study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.
The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:
Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).
For example, Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western ...
This study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.
The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:
Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).
For example, Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland's murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns. As the study's authors write in the report:
If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)
Finally, and as if to prove the bumper sticker correct - that "gun don't kill people, people do" - the study also shows that Russia's murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns.
The important thing to keep in mind is not the rate of deaths by gun - a statistic that anti-gun advocates are quick to recite - but the overall murder rate, regardless of means. The criminologists explain:
[P]er capita murder overall is only half as frequent in the United States as in several other nations where gun murder is rarer, but murder by strangling, stabbing, or beating is much more frequent. (p. 663 - emphases in original)
It is important to note here that Profs. Kates and Mauser are not pro-gun zealots. In fact, they go out of their way to stress that their study neither proves that gun control causes higher murder rates nor that increased gun ownership necessarily leads to lower murder rates. (Though, in my view, Prof. John Lott's More Guns, Less Crime does indeed prove the latter.) But what is clear, and what they do say, is that gun control is ineffectual at preventing murder, and apparently counterproductive.
Arguing with that FAKE notion that gun ownership in under attack is misdirection and a waste of time.
This is about high capacity clips and semi-automatic assault rifles, and this is about mental health care.
Stop wasting time with this bullsh*t.
You have knowledge of MY "ideology"? Please, enlighten me further about what I think.
I'm asking you to explain where I've failed in what I believe. You seem to know.
(If you're a liberal), then your "straw man comment", & "no body wants to ban guns" & "arguing with a fake notion" & your denial that this isn't about banning guns or gun control comments, show you're lying about your support of the 2nd amendment....
(If you're a conservative), then you're a very UNINFORMED one....or maybe you're just totally confused.....
Your post----> This continues to be a false, straw man argument. Nobody wants to ban guns. I SUPPORT gun ownership. I own a gun. I think people owning guns for self-defense, hunting, sport, hobby, is a right and a good thing.
Arguing with that FAKE notion that gun ownership in under attack is misdirection and a waste of time.
This is about high capacity clips and semi-automatic assault rifles, and this is about mental health care.
Stop wasting time with this bullsh*t.
I support 2nd Amendment rights. I own a gun. In my opinion, anyone who thinks he has any legitimate reason (other than "wanna") to own a semi-automatic weapon with high capacity magazines of ANY type, is operating under a delusion. An entire society awash in WalMart Bushmasters is not an America we should be TRYING for.
I don't know if it would be best to ban them all outside of police and miltary, have special licenses with high standards for some but not others, or what.
I do know that the answer, right now, is most definitely not more guns.
I do know that the way it is now, with guns, in America, is pathological.
We need to address that pathology, or it will get worse.
Outside of police or military, owning these weapons should be severely restricted and licenced, at the very least. Retroactively, as well.
That they may be found illegally is no excuse. Why have laws at all, for anything, then? Because someone could put together a dynamite bomb, and drop it on your house from a helicopter, should you have the right to own a shoulder-mounted surface-to-air missle?