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Drue-AFCL 2012/06/30 02:37:10
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  • Moonage 2012/06/30 02:40:34
    Yes
    Moonage
    +12
    I'm not sure there's been a ruling where the Justices decided one part of the Constitution was more important than the other parts. Usually if it violated the Constitution, it was just tossed out. Everyone knew Obamacare violated the Commerce Clause, so the Justices just randomly re-defined what this thing actually was and decided Congress's ability to tax something trumped the Commerce Clause.

    I know that flies over everyone's heads here, but this is serious doodoo. Now all Congress has to do is pass a tax and anything they want is peachy-keen with the Supreme Court. That's flipping crazy.

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  • 3kidsan... RS 2012/06/30 04:41:19
    3kidsandamom
    +2
    LOL, that could be interesting, along with all the soldiers who died to give and protect our freedoms :)
  • RS 3kidsan... 2012/06/30 18:21:09
    RS
    It really is amazing to me that such an outstanding group of men could be in the same place at the same time and willing to risk everything...including their necks because they wanted to make a better place. I belive they would spit on many of the people in gov now both Dem and GOP!
  • Christine/Rest in peace Pet... 2012/06/30 04:27:15 (edited)
    Yes
    Christine/Rest in peace Peter Br
    +5
    They would be horrified at what our leadership has done to Americans, but they would also be disgusted at what we the American people have allowed to happen to the greatest country in the world that they faught and sacrificed so much to give us. It is not just Obama and his leadership that is endangering our liberties and way of life, but it is the large amount of people that believe the foundations of our country no longer matter.

    Fellow citizens are guilty of apathy and not caring about the constitution that protects us. Fellow citizens are out protesting and trying to dismantle the things that have made this country great. And it is fellow citizens who want to give up on the American way of life, follow Obama, and change our country into a socialist, or worse, a totalitarian government. They will not realize how precious our constitution, or our freedoms were, until they are lost. I think that would sadden our Founders and the thousands of soldiers that died protecting and defending this nation the most.

    They would be horrified at what our leadership has done to Americans, but they would also be disgusted at what we the American people have allowed to happen to the greatest country in the world that they faught and sacrificed so much to give us. It is not just Obama and his leadership that is endangering our liberties and way of life, but it is the large amount of people that believe the foundations of our country no longer matter.

    Fellow citizens are guilty of apathy and not caring about the constitution that protects us. Fellow citizens are out protesting and trying to dismantle the things that have made this country great. And it is fellow citizens who want to give up on the American way of life, follow Obama, and change our country into a socialist, or worse, a totalitarian government. They will not realize how precious our constitution, or our freedoms were, until they are lost. I think that would sadden our Founders and the thousands of soldiers that died protecting and defending this nation the most.

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  • RS Christi... 2012/06/30 18:22:16
    RS
    +1
    Well written. I started to get watery eyes.
  • Kat 2012/06/30 04:18:06
  • Sherlock Dog BL - a Gazillion 2012/06/30 04:10:14
  • AL Sherloc... 2012/06/30 05:32:25
    AL
    +1
    They just might say-Who are these Marxist Bast___that took over the Country I loved?
  • Sherloc... AL 2012/06/30 05:47:47
  • AL Sherloc... 2012/06/30 07:16:57
    AL
    +2
    I agree 100%! I know they wouldn't put up with Obamas marxist B.S. for one single day in fact!
  • Sherloc... AL 2012/06/30 07:50:05
  • Michael=Constitution & Liberty 2012/06/30 04:01:12
    Yes
    Michael=Constitution & Liberty
    +3
    but it actually started many years ago. with regard to the coming health care tax, what a freaking joke. healthcare my ass. start with the f*cking corporate run food industry that poisons us and the environment. fluoride still dumped into the drinking water supply...
  • Red 2012/06/30 04:00:33
  • Pakki Red 2012/06/30 05:03:51
  • Red Pakki 2012/06/30 07:03:38
  • AL Red 2012/06/30 05:35:58
    AL
    +1
    Indeed it is,its almost like watching your best friend die a very slow death now in fact! You knows he's been sick for a very long time, yet you just don't want to believe the end might be near!
  • Red AL 2012/06/30 07:05:33
  • AL Red 2012/06/30 07:19:58
    AL
    I agree! I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this whole down fall of our Country wasn't all planed by evil men just like Soros as well!
  • Red AL 2012/06/30 13:31:39
  • POWERSHAKER 2012/06/30 03:53:40
    Yes
    POWERSHAKER
    +4
    Absolutely! They would be disgusted with what America has become. Fifteen trillion dollar deficit? That's beyond shocking. It makes you wonder how America can possibly be running right now.
  • Maria 2012/06/30 03:48:31
    Yes
    Maria
    +5
    They talk of listening to the people until they reach Washington D.C. and then fall on deaf ears of the will of the people. We need to restore that the governed have the power and those who govern should be listening. We the people must be returned to mean something to those in Washington D.C.

    If in the opinion of the people the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation. ~George Washington
    Jon McNaughton painting
  • 3kidsan... Maria 2012/06/30 04:29:36
    3kidsandamom
    +2
    I love McNaughton's new painting, if we had a few more "Empowered Men" standing up for America elected into office we the people would regain our power!
  • JohnT 2012/06/30 03:44:26
    Yes
    JohnT
    +1
    Mad as hell at people that are in the hallowed halls with nothing but graft and greed in their heads.
  • paul 2012/06/30 03:28:58 (edited)
    No
    paul
    +2
    No....... they would be applying for Mexican Citizenship! mexicans laughing
    washington crying
  • George Romney 2012/06/30 03:26:12
    Yes
    George Romney
    +1
    But probably because more people read about the Supreme Court's opinion on some fancy-shmancey computer, tablet or television than on animal-hide parchment.
  • Freeranger 2012/06/30 03:21:18
    Yes
    Freeranger
    +1
    If not, attempting to dig out
  • Boris D. 2012/06/30 03:15:23
    Yes
    Boris D.
    +3
    Like rotisserie chickens.
    rotisserie chicken gif
  • Pakki 2012/06/30 03:14:08
    Yes
    Pakki
    +5
    the power to tax is the power to destroy.
  • Pakki Pakki 2012/06/30 05:04:50
    Pakki
    +1
    Obama is Taxing liberty
  • endthefed.soundmoney 2012/06/30 03:11:09
    Yes
    endthefed.soundmoney
    +3
    Yes and YES!!
  • AL endthef... 2012/06/30 05:42:04
    AL
    +1
    Heptarch: I don't think the founders had Obamas Marxist Welfare state in mind, when they said "Promote The General Welfare"
  • Heptarch 2012/06/30 03:07:41
    No
    Heptarch
    +1
    There's that whole "Promote the general welfare" thing seemed to work for them.
  • Pakki Heptarch 2012/06/30 05:06:31
    Pakki
    +1
    in a healthy garden you pull the weeds and water what is good for the farm.

    We shouldn't give lazy bastards all the nutrients at the expense of the hard workers.
  • Sherloc... Pakki 2012/06/30 05:54:15
  • Heptarch Pakki 2012/06/30 13:04:01
    Heptarch
    +1
    Who are the "lazy bastards" in your scenario?
  • Pakki Heptarch 2012/06/30 14:06:44
    Pakki
    Those that believe the government should pay their way rather than work towards something.
  • Heptarch Pakki 2012/06/30 21:40:10
    Heptarch
    But that's not what socialized medicine would be. If you're paying taxes for it, you're paying for what you get.
  • Pakki Heptarch 2012/07/08 19:44:27
    Pakki
    Not those that choose to sit and collect for others hard work.
    I have had people on the government tit heckle me at my job sites that "The working man was a fool because you can get beer money, section 8 housing and not sweat at all".

    And everything the government touches becomes a big inefficient money drain. American business is much better with the money than government workers with no incentive to make it smooth, efficient and effective.

    Do you think a successful company would continue to employ the same CEO that ran a deficit that grew every year? Well the government employs thousands of them. They get reelected and they get bonuses, vacation and health care. Obama care will just be another financial nightmare with many becoming billionaires while the public gets a good f**king. I believe this because of our system and not because of political affiliation.
  • Heptarch Pakki 2012/07/08 22:39:11
    Heptarch
    "American business is much better with the money than government workers with no incentive to make it smooth, efficient and effective."

    Yes, because private insurers have done the job SO well... Give me a break. Their incentive isn't to make things efficient, it's to make profit. They do that by denying the coverage their customers pay for whenever they can get away with it.

    I'd rather have everyone covered, thanks.
  • Pakki Heptarch 2012/07/09 03:01:27
    Pakki
    You assume that the government would do better than the current system. That is an opinion that you could not possibly support.
    What is the precedent that you base your opinion on?

    What does the American government do better than American business?

    Its funny how people are so against businesses making money that they prefer that the government charge more tax and waste the money.

    You cut off your nose to spite your face.
    Throwing money at the government when they can't even balance and
    spend what they have already is an idiotic idea.

    Why invest in the government that is failing rather than American business? If I operated in a massive deficit for years and years. and could not even raise taxes fast enough to match my out of control spending would you trust me with your family medical care?
  • Heptarch Pakki 2012/07/09 16:59:26
    Heptarch
    I don't know whether the government will or can do a better job. What I DO know is that with the government doing it, we can legislate fair business practices into the industry.

    Bottom line for me is simple: I believe it is reprehensible to treat the health of American citizens as a commodity to bought and sold and weighed against a profit margin. No one has the right to make money off my health except the doctors who protect it and the people who assist them.

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