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Drue-AFCL 2012/06/30 02:37:10
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  • Moonage 2012/06/30 02:40:34
    Yes
    Moonage
    +12
    I'm not sure there's been a ruling where the Justices decided one part of the Constitution was more important than the other parts. Usually if it violated the Constitution, it was just tossed out. Everyone knew Obamacare violated the Commerce Clause, so the Justices just randomly re-defined what this thing actually was and decided Congress's ability to tax something trumped the Commerce Clause.

    I know that flies over everyone's heads here, but this is serious doodoo. Now all Congress has to do is pass a tax and anything they want is peachy-keen with the Supreme Court. That's flipping crazy.

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  • Steve ☮ R ☮ P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/07/05 03:46:55
    Yes
    Steve ☮ R ☮ P ☮ 2012 ☮
    They gave everything to gain their freedom, and the freedom of those who live here. And we're handing it all back.
  • gaylehelen 2012/07/01 19:30:13
    Yes
    gaylehelen
    I think they have been since the Civil War. Even more so since 9/11. The "Patriot Act". It's not to them.
  • Stryder 2012/07/01 15:39:45
    Yes
    Stryder
    More like a full-body convulsion.
  • tywon.smith 2012/07/01 14:50:31
    Yes
    tywon.smith
    You can bet your sweet ass they are! They build a nation and some people turn it into their personal playground!!
  • ready46xwu 2012/07/01 13:35:19
    Yes
    ready46xwu
    Them, and all the 'great ones', that have gave their life's, making us GREAT!
    WE'VE SEEN OUR/THE GOVERNMENT BECOME CROUPT AND WE HAVE NOT
    RESPONDED! OUR FOUNDERS WOULD BE 'ASHAMED OF US/WE THE PEOPLE'!!
  • golem48 2012/07/01 06:15:00
    Yes
    golem48
    I hope they rise from the dead and defeat the 0bamanation, his minions, and all their works!
  • Cliff 2012/06/30 22:29:47 (edited)
    Yes
    Cliff
    +1
    They certainly knew that the form of government they created could be bastardized by ungodly and unprincipled people, but I doubt that they envisioned a Frankenstein monster in the White House.

    Frankenstein president
  • Avenged7 2012/06/30 22:14:19
    Yes
    Avenged7
    Not from Obama Care, but for the 5 activist right wing justices, and you can add politician justices to that. First thing you can add, is the commerce clause the 5 ruled against the mandate because of the commerce clause in the Obama ruling. How do they rectify other federal mandates. Why doesn't the commerce clause cancel those mandates. It was a political ruling when they ruled against commerce clause.

    Antonin Scalia is completely out of control. He is so political and activist that he doesn't even try to hide it. He runs with the Koch crowd, attends ALEC meetings, goes hunting with Cheney, then rules 5 days later in favor of Cheney, when Cheney was sued for not allowing the names of the oil companies to become public, which he met with them secretly. Also he blasted Obama on immigration. If he wants to be political, resign from the Supreme court, and run for congress or the presidency.

    This right wing court, when polled, has the lowest favor ability, in modern times, and it's because they are so activist and political. The anointing of W in 2000. the Citizen United ruling, and now this ruling. These 5 don't even try and hide their hypocricy. The dissenters in the Arizona immigration ruling stuck there nose in the air and proclaimed states rights. Then the same day, they...
    Not from Obama Care, but for the 5 activist right wing justices, and you can add politician justices to that. First thing you can add, is the commerce clause the 5 ruled against the mandate because of the commerce clause in the Obama ruling. How do they rectify other federal mandates. Why doesn't the commerce clause cancel those mandates. It was a political ruling when they ruled against commerce clause.

    Antonin Scalia is completely out of control. He is so political and activist that he doesn't even try to hide it. He runs with the Koch crowd, attends ALEC meetings, goes hunting with Cheney, then rules 5 days later in favor of Cheney, when Cheney was sued for not allowing the names of the oil companies to become public, which he met with them secretly. Also he blasted Obama on immigration. If he wants to be political, resign from the Supreme court, and run for congress or the presidency.

    This right wing court, when polled, has the lowest favor ability, in modern times, and it's because they are so activist and political. The anointing of W in 2000. the Citizen United ruling, and now this ruling. These 5 don't even try and hide their hypocricy. The dissenters in the Arizona immigration ruling stuck there nose in the air and proclaimed states rights. Then the same day, they ruled against Montana for their hundred years of law banning corporate money to flood local and state elections. The 5 right wingers on the court got right down snooty with Montana telling them Citizen United was federal law, and Montana has no states rights to have their own law. Yeah the Founders are turning over in their grave with these 5 activist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
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  • the judgebigdogeagle-~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/30 21:25:09
    Yes
    the judgebigdogeagle-~PWCM~JLA
    They are yelling WTF WTH !
  • Swampdog PWCM 2012/06/30 20:50:15
    Yes
    Swampdog PWCM
    +1
    Rolling? More like spinning!
  • WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/30 20:38:54
    Yes
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    Absolutely.
  • ehrhornp 2012/06/30 19:19:37
    No
    ehrhornp
    +1
    They have been rolling int their graves for about 30 years now, perhaps as much as 50.
  • BlueRepublican 2012/06/30 18:30:21
    Yes
    BlueRepublican
    +3
    It's kinda' like asking Dr. King if he was still alive today, after all the sacrifice that went into the civil rights movt for equality, what he thinks of teens sagging their pants and showing their underwear.
    Yup. That pretty much nails it.
  • none 2012/06/30 18:26:09
    Yes
    none
    +2
    They'd be completely disgusted with Obama, his whole administration, and the useless get nothing done Congress.
  • Drue-AFCL none 2012/06/30 18:38:11
    Drue-AFCL
    +2
    I think that they would be more disgusted by WE THE PEOPLE who voted in these clowns and for not doing our part in maintaining what they so selflessly achieved!
  • none Drue-AFCL 2012/06/30 18:40:37
    none
    Not everyone voted for those clowns, I know Obama didn't get my vote and won't get it this time. Too bad no enough Americans pay attention to what's going on.
  • Drue-AFCL none 2012/06/30 20:36:39
    Drue-AFCL
    +1
    I didn't either, but obviously the majority did!
  • none Drue-AFCL 2012/06/30 21:07:48
    none
    The problem in this country is lazy people who don't vote or the ignorant ones that intend to write in Paul's name or someone elses name, that's like a vote for Obama. You sure can't fix lazy or stupid can you?
  • Common Sense Conservative 2012/06/30 17:57:42
    Yes
    Common Sense Conservative
    +2
    And all because of Hussein Obama.
  • The Duke 2012/06/30 17:10:21
    Yes
    The Duke
    +3
    If they're not, they definitely SHOULD BE!
  • Fashionable60s 2012/06/30 16:43:33
    Yes
    Fashionable60s
    +3
    Don't feel so down yet. I know the liberals are crowing but had they read the SCOTUS's decision, it is a Pyrrhic victory for Obama as it exposed it as a tax despite his repeated denials. In his nuanced decision, Justice Roberts basically gave an opening for all citizens to decide what to do on the Obamacare instead of the Supreme Court. This should galvanize everybody to give this unpopular issue the boot come November. Obama is in a no win situation now. How is he going to fund the Obamacare when the country is more than $15T in debt, the real unemployment number is above 10% and the middle class will really be victimized by the new tax? Obama is basically going to hurt his main constituents. Our votes will decide the fate of Obamacare and Obama in November.
  • Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/06/30 16:38:02
    Yes
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +5
    It took Obama to undo all they put in place !!!!!
  • ajracestables1 2012/06/30 16:35:47
    Yes
    ajracestables1
    +4
    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights is now just a peice of paper and the justices have just used it as toilet paper.
  • pops 2012/06/30 15:42:37
    No
    pops
    They take the weekend off,but will be back at it monday.
  • urwutuis 2012/06/30 15:37:49
    Yes
    urwutuis
    +3
    If Jefferson saw we had adopted capitalism as our economic system he'd puke.
  • susan urwutuis 2012/06/30 16:20:24 (edited)
    susan
    +3
    Jefferson was against banks, not true capitalism. He wanted a government that kept commerce fair, by restraining both government and banks (corporations) from exploiting free men.
    "A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government." – Thomas Jefferson (1801)
  • urwutuis susan 2012/07/01 07:26:36
    urwutuis
    Jefferson considered the exchange of labor for wages a form of slavery.which it is.
  • susan urwutuis 2012/07/01 18:04:49 (edited)
    susan
    +1
    Really? Where did you get that interpretation? BTW, Jefferson was a slave owner.
    What we have today is not capitalism, but a mix of crony capitalism, corrupted socialism, and plutocracy. Jefferson's fear of central banks as the corrupter of government and the road to excessive control of the free marketplace has now come true. Our government and our legal system no longer works to restrain men (including banks and corporations) from injuring each other (through corrupt practices, false allegations, and financial power). Today, money rules, and the banks have no restrictions that are enforceable to restrain their excess and tyranny over the marketplace.
  • urwutuis susan 2012/07/01 21:51:09
    urwutuis
    +1
    I can agree with some of what you're saying and I think we're generally on the same page. True capitalism is as much a fantasy as rue socialism, communism or any other ism with the possible exception of totalitarianism
    Once you introduce the human factor it perverts everything

    I agree that plutocracy is what we have now although it operates somewhat under the radar.
    I refer to it as Fascism lite. Pay no attention to the man. . . . .

    Money rules as it always has. That's the failure of all monetary systems.

    Besides being exploitative capitalism must continually expand or it collapses. Expansion requires cyclical consumption which makes it not only wasteful but destructive to society and the environment.

    It's completely unsustainable. Calling it an economy is something of a misnomer. It economizes nothing and you can't solve problems with the same level of thinking that created them.
  • susan urwutuis 2012/07/01 23:37:03
    susan
    As long as the population expands, any system has to expand or the whole economy collapses. Capitalism, by its very nature, must expand in order to provide jobs, goods and services for an increasing population.
    As Jefferson stated, governments exist to restrain the worst of human nature, to protect under law each man's rights to the fruits of his own labor.
  • urwutuis susan 2012/07/02 03:43:23
    urwutuis
    Expansion pertains to markets and cyclical consumption is what's driving the first man made mass extinction event.
    Capitalism is the most wasteful and destructive force on the planet and is still unsustainable. It's the exploitation to exhaustion of everything under the sun for short term monetary gain and you want to go back to business as usual?
    Isn't that what got us here?
  • susan urwutuis 2012/07/02 17:04:20
    susan
    So you want to sterilize the population, to control the number of children allowed by fiat as they have tried in China, to limit medical caret, to limit what people can consume to a bare minimum (except the ruling class), to stop all research and development, to prevent innovation and invention? So we should all go back to the cave, without fire?

    Change is inevitably a part of human nature, a part of the natural world. How we deal with change as the intelligent species on earth is the issue.
    Capitalism is no more wasteful or destructive than all the other economic system theories. Free markets are responsive to change. Markets that are controlled by corrupt government, corrupt rulers of any stripe, and by emotional basis decision-making are not.
  • urwutuis susan 2012/07/03 03:39:22
    urwutuis
    Population control will be a necessity very soon but education might be a better route than mandate and we're already limiting what people can consume. Scarcity raises market value.


    Stop research and development? Don't be ridiculous
    I agree that all govt is corrupt but planned obsolescence ensures wasted resources.
    We make up less than 5% of the population yet consume 25% of the resources and produce 30% of the pollution.
    Capitalism most definitely does waste and destroy more and the environmental risk increases exponentially.
    What do you think got us here in the first place?
    Like I said, you can't solve problems using the same level of thinking that created them. Going back to business as usual is inane.
  • susan urwutuis 2012/07/03 14:55:52
    susan
    +1
    Nor can you solve problems by emotional thinking that ignores facts and evidence. Other nations are moving toward a freer capitalistic system because it creates a better life for their citizens. Population control, production control, and consumer control do nothing but create misery and pain, not to mention black markets and under-the-table dealings.
    Population in this country is increasing, not by birth rates of the majority of its citizens, but by the influx of immigrants, both legal and illegal, and their offspring. The average birth rate of the primarily white population has been below the rate needed to keep the population steady for years.
  • Charles Braley 2012/06/30 15:33:04
    No
    Charles Braley
    +1
    They quit sometime before Clinton left the orifice, I mean - Office! lol
  • Phantom 2012/06/30 15:02:17
    Yes
    Phantom
    +1
    Yeah, they're rolling all right, because they're laughing so hard at you whining cons .
  • Common ... Phantom 2012/06/30 18:00:13
    Common Sense Conservative
    +2
    Wow you're an idiot
  • Phantom Common ... 2012/06/30 19:36:51
    Phantom
    The founding fathers would have sent the present day conservative packing.
  • Common ... Phantom 2012/06/30 20:34:41
    Common Sense Conservative
    All I can say is, you're comments are dumber than stupid.
  • Phantom Common ... 2012/06/30 23:08:45
    Phantom
    How would you even know the difference, you with the brains of a jelly fish?

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