Do you think the Dems would have voted in obamacare if it had been correctly called a tax then?

Hell yes. Republicans are against all taxes and without them this country would have nothing, nota, zip....Third world or lower baby.......

Or a monarchy...which we seem to be becoming, or rather a dictatorship.

So you don't have a problem with all the taxes written into obamacare/tax?

Nope. I do have a problem with all the tax "breaks" written into our tax codes for the wealthy and big businesses though. I also have a problem with off shore tax havens for the wealthy while the working person pays their taxes on all they make. I guess Artist it's just a matter or who has what principals. Conservatives consider taxes as bad for themselves liberals consider taxes as necessary for the good of all. The key words being "themselves and all". Conservatives look for the betterment of "themselves" and liberals look for the betterment of "all". That is the difference between the two of us.
As Jesus said, I didn't come here to save the righteous (himself) I came to save the sinners (all of us). That liberal guy Jesus...lol
PS another photoshopped picture.........Oh conservatives and their toys. So easily ammused.

What? You don't like obama's self-portrait?
The difference between libs and conservatives is that libs want all this for everyone...whether you like it or not, or deserve it or not. obamacare is the very definition of my way or the highway by liberals. Yet they will give waivers to their friends in the unions, big companies like McDonalds and some voting districts like Pelosi did for 128 of her friends and of course all of Congress is exempt too...all the rest of us have to use it or else!
Gee, I guess liberals aren't so different afterall...

What part of if you now have insurance it won't change, keep what you have now. Same plan same doctor. McDonalds is a friend to democrats, non union minimun wage and no benifits employer. That's a typical republican type business. All profits go straight to the top at the expense of the workers.

I'm in that rare class with no insurance, you know like 40 some odd million others. And no way to pay for it. How's that going to work?

OK he's how it works. Listen and learn. You will have to get insurance and depending on how much you make you will recieve government assistance to help pay for it. Now my son only makes $20 a year so he will most likely get help paying his which I told him to buy 4 years ago. So in the long run if Romney doesn't get elected and repeal it my son will be paying less later then he is now. Now there is also suppose to be an expansion of medicaid where the federal government pays 90% of the cost for the first 3 years and the states pay 10%. But most republican governors say they will refuse to do that. That was the one part the SC struck down, the medicaid expansion part. Either way if you attempt to buy insurance you will be given most if not all the cost of it because of your income. If your husband is working it will be according to your total family income the amount of help you'll recieve. Now if you are suppose to get medicaid and your governor says no then you won't get it and that's their fault not Obamas. But if you do get insurance and do get government assistance with the cost it's a win win for you. I hope you get it. Oh and by the way women can no longer be charged more for a policy than a man is. That's another benifit of the ACA.

Well if I was a woman, neat!
That still doesn't explain how I pay for insurance I can't afford.
I take it Medicaid is free?

I'm sorry everytime I see that woman in your avatar I think you're female. LOL Well anyway if I were you I think i'd research the bill and see how the non covered (uninsured) will be able to get help. My wife went 2 years without healthcare after she lost her job and it was scary. If anything had happened to her that was really bad and expensive health wise we could have lost everything, our house our cars and land. Medical expenses are the number one reason for bankrupcies in the US.

Hey, I don't have a problem with health care reform but this one (even if parts of it were written by Republicans some years ago) just doesn't wash.
I really want portability. Make health insurance companies compete like car insurance companies. We'd see health care costs plummet overnight! Tort reform would be nice too but the revenue/costs wouldn't matter that much.

Sorry but the healthcare companies even in compitition are not going to lower prices. There will be pools of different companies you'll be able to choose from.
PS the part where everyone must buy a policy was a republican idea. They called it everyone taking personal responsibility. Sound like something conservatives say, it was and still is.

Again, I'm not arguing about health care reform. Hmm...kinda like obama ignoring Republicans, huh? You don't want to listen anymore than libs want to. And obama refused to allow their input...go figure.
And you don't know that about the insurance companies. Why are you guys protecting them?

Why are we protecting insurance companies? You aren't serious are you? And Obama not allowing any imput from republicans. Another good one. Their biggest idea republicans had and keep pushing for was tort reform. Protecting bad doctors like the pope protects preverted priests. People on juries give out huge settlements. People are greedy. And since there are twice as many self proclaimed conservatives as there are liberals that means twice as many conservatives are on those juries allowing huge settlements. Maybe we should explain to the average person on juries that these huge settlements cause their insurance rates to go up.

it wouldnt have mattered one way or the other. they want to tax everyone to death anyways.

IDK but they never cease to amaze me with their whacked way of thinking....but probably no...i don't know anyone who WANTS to pay MORE taxes

Yes they knew it was a tax, they voted for it anyway another vote has been scheduled in the house to overturn it July 9th, but the democratic owned senate will shelve it, right before an election, democrats suck.

Democrats have never seen a tax increase, no matter what it is called, as a bad thing.

With the press on their side? Please, there would be no doubt!

Yeah, I forgot about that part...

They never really voted on the bill itself. It was a ploy to shield Democrats in political trouble for not accurately representing the views of their districts. They voted on a procedural that had the same effect.

Even as it w is it passed by the slimmest of margins after bribes and arm twisting by Obama.

Over 1,200 Obama supporters have been granted Presidential waivers, 47 in Pelosi's district alone.

I'd just had a 'what if' moment there...

They don't care about stealing our money....they spent more than all Presidents before them what do they care.

True enough...

they don't pay taxes, what do they care.

Yeah, that's right...

Oh, hell yes. Many of them do not pay taxes so why should they care. They're more concerned about late welfare checks and that long food stamp line.

Yeah, that food stamp line needs to be a bit longer...

Obama's working on it. One good way to control the people, everybody has to eat.

They would not have even presented it as a tax since it is NOT A TAX. It creates a mandate for personal responsibility to care for ones own health.

If it is not a tax, then it is unconstitutional. Which do you want?

It is not a tax in that it is not a levy tax as the Republicans are trying to interperate it as. The penality for not buying insurance was interperted by the SCOTUS Chief Justice as an action covered under the Congressional authority to tax. The ruling was a stretch but it fit. The application of the Commerce Clause was far more appropiate choice but could be far more easily recended. A tax once put into place is much more difficult to recend especially one attached to a huge program like the Afordable Health Care Act.

In actuality it is constitutional as both a tax and under the Commerce Clause of powers granted to the Congress.

A tax, a penalty, a big F.U. from obama...call it anything you want, it sucks and is still an unwarranted and undesired tax!

no its not. and the sooner it gets repealed the better off we all will be. even the supreme court calls it a tax.

how can you support something thats going to be the biggest tax increase in history?? call it a tax or a penalty it all goes to the same place. and its not fair to the middle class who will be hurt the most by this after obama even said there would be no taxes on the middle class he lied as usual.

Correction, The biggest tax increases in US history were the 16 individual increases passed during the Reagan Administration PLUS the single largest one was the SS / Medicare tax increase which the Reagan Administration put on the American Public.

Suggest you check you tax history. People in general don't realize that Reagan raised taxes MORE than any other President in US history.

Um, you better check your current history. obamatax is over 20 increases.

Again, there are NO TAXES built into the Bill. ONLY penalties for failing to purchase health care.