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NeutronBomb 2012/07/29 22:20:38
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  • chambers 2012/10/10 04:03:03
  • 2012/09/14 18:47:29
    no
    +1
    I love it when people only go by what there taught by our brain-washing public schools and main stream media! Do your own research and find out for yourself before you pass judgement on something you have no idea!! Does anyone actually know why the civil war started(not the school version)? It started over the southerners being taxed for working hard while the northerners lived the city life and payed less taxes(sound familiar)? Did it have anything to do with slavery(yes)? Was that all it was about(no)!!! Anyways some people use the "rebel" flag as a racist symbol however for the most part for most of us that use,wear and believe in it its simply the symbol of standing against main stream "go with the flow society"!!! SINCERELY REBEL FOREVER!!!! BTW heres a link if you would like to do some research http://americanhistory.about....
  • Miss Kris 2012/09/02 03:01:37
    no
    Miss Kris
    +1
    It's Nathan Bedford Forrest's fault that it turned into one. He started the KKK and took it as his symbol. That wasn't the Confederacy's main goal, though, contrary to popular belief. Less than 10% of southerners owned slaves, and most other southerners didn't care one way or another about them. They were fighting for states' rights.
  • John Galt jr or Ron/jon 2012/08/19 23:37:20
    Undecided
    John Galt jr or Ron/jon
    +1
    only if you want it to be...
  • Elementer 2012/08/16 03:58:08 (edited)
    yes
    Elementer
    The people that fought under it fought for state's rights... to own slaves. Right after the Civil War, former Confederacy soldiers terrorized black people wearing white hood and using that same flag as a banner. It's the America's version of the Swastika. Yes, I went there. The Civil War is NOTHING to be proud of, it was the single deadliest war fought in American history because Americans at the time wanted to keep other Americans in bondage. Period.

    The only good person in the Confederacy was Robert E. Lee, who was against slavery and only fought for the Confederacy's whackass because his home state sided with them.

    I don't see how you can call yourself patriotic when you admire a flag that once represented the possible destruction of the Union. You can't say Abe Lincoln's your hero when you admire the efforts of his worth enemy.
  • ladd Elementer 2013/02/25 12:55:51
    ladd
    +2
    with all due respect sir only 3% of southerners owned slaves so the math dectates that 93% of confederate's were fighting a northern aggressor ,invading and burning their homes.stealing anything of vaule...and raping their women. MY ancestors had never even seen a negro and fought and died for that flag to save home and faimly and i AM very proud of it!
  • ladd ladd 2013/02/25 13:07:54
    ladd
    +3
    and about the flag being a symbol of racism the groups you speak of also carried the christian flag as well as the AMERICAN flag tell me why only ONE of the three is racist? why not all 3?
  • Aqua Surf 2012/08/12 04:21:49
    no
    Aqua Surf
    I think it is racist to think of it as racist. I've seen a high school in one of our suburbs who are called The Colonels, run on to the football field waving a huge Confederate flag. The young man carrying it was black as were most of the cheerleaders. If they don't have a problem with it, I don't see why anyone else should.
  • ladd Aqua Surf 2013/02/25 15:09:23
    ladd
    +2
    i know right...my high school mascot was the "rebels" we had a nasty battle over that name the blacks claimed it hindered their childrens ability to learn...what kind of sense does that make ...the school was rebels for 30 yrs and that info was just comeing to lite when blacks out numbered whites...think about it
  • Jacob Torres 2012/08/11 14:01:03
    no
    Jacob Torres
    +1
    It's not an inherently racist symbol. It's just that racists tend to use it.
  • Mordred Emrys Morgan 2012/08/05 09:55:51
    Undecided
    Mordred Emrys Morgan
    Yes and know. Any symbol can mean something negative or positive or just be popular without meaning. I t depends on the motives of the individual using it.
  • Phil 2012/08/04 06:05:00
    no
    Phil
    +1
    Of course I didn't live in the 1860's during the CIVAL WAR, so I wouldn't associate the racist connotation with the Stars And Bars. It has significant meaning to a lot of Southerners, and to some of them it is probably a signet of slavery that they will never let go of. But then, some Blacks will never let go of believing that since their Great-Great-Great Grandfather was a slave, America owes them a free ride through life. Then there are also some Blacks who condemn other Blacks and tell them to get off welfare and get a job. Likewise, some Southerners can't give up the hope that "the South is gonna rise again." It all boils down to 2 things 1. Being smart enough to leave the past behind (except in historic value), and 2. Being able to control feelings that would start a chain reaction of regrettable actions. Just a question, but where was the outrage from civil rights groups when the Dukes of Hazzard were running around in the General Lee for 5 years with the Stars and Bars on top of the car? Where is the protest against the car touring around tne car shows even to this day? Where was the protest from Hollywood about the movie a few years back with Jessica Simpson as Daisy? There is never a controversy until someone wants to stir up the stink from the bottom of the barrel ...
    Of course I didn't live in the 1860's during the CIVAL WAR, so I wouldn't associate the racist connotation with the Stars And Bars. It has significant meaning to a lot of Southerners, and to some of them it is probably a signet of slavery that they will never let go of. But then, some Blacks will never let go of believing that since their Great-Great-Great Grandfather was a slave, America owes them a free ride through life. Then there are also some Blacks who condemn other Blacks and tell them to get off welfare and get a job. Likewise, some Southerners can't give up the hope that "the South is gonna rise again." It all boils down to 2 things 1. Being smart enough to leave the past behind (except in historic value), and 2. Being able to control feelings that would start a chain reaction of regrettable actions. Just a question, but where was the outrage from civil rights groups when the Dukes of Hazzard were running around in the General Lee for 5 years with the Stars and Bars on top of the car? Where is the protest against the car touring around tne car shows even to this day? Where was the protest from Hollywood about the movie a few years back with Jessica Simpson as Daisy? There is never a controversy until someone wants to stir up the stink from the bottom of the barrel "just one more time". Just when we think that racisim and prejudice are almost dead, SOMEONE has to give it CPR and bring it back to life. This continuing Soap Opera will never be canceled as long as there's an audience that will tune in to it.
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  • Monty Phil 2012/08/09 16:12:12
    Monty
    i saw a pickup here in my town that ws painted up like the general lee,sporting to large confederate flags lol
  • 3359557 2012/08/04 00:38:28
    no
    3359557
    +2
    It's about Heritage.
  • Constitution Believer 2012/08/03 17:43:22
    no
    Constitution Believer
    +1
    I believe it is a symbol of something from the past.

    The southerners are a proud people and though the Civil War has been over for 147 years to many families it is still going strong.

    It is sorta like the Hispanics flying their flag....so the same question could apply to them DO YOU THINK THE HISPANIC FLAG IS RACISM?
  • electra tiger vixen 2012/08/02 22:50:08
    yes
    electra tiger vixen
    +1
    yes. the confederate's were for slavery. they didnt want to get rid of slavery, so yes, the confederate flag is rasist. i know plenty of people who are racist and hang confederate flags in there homes and front yards to express how much they hate blacks. its wrong, and i dont approve of it in any way!!
  • Constit... electra... 2012/08/03 17:57:08
    Constitution Believer
    Then according to your thinking ONLY the US flag can be flown?
    If that is the case then I think we should be telling the Hispanics that and the Germans, French, I fly both the Canadian and the American flags...
    The same for the Africans and the Arabs....According to your thinking ALL FLAGS SHOULD NOT BE FLOWN EXCEPT FOR THE UNITED STATES FLAG.
  • 3359557 Constit... 2012/08/04 00:40:38
    3359557
    AMEN !! Thank you for clearning that up Peaunt. Much appreicated.
  • Constit... 3359557 2012/08/04 01:08:57
    Constitution Believer
    My dear friend I see things this way respect me and I respect you, respect my country and I will respect your country.....I have a grand daughter that died to give people the right to fly what ever flag makes them feel better.
    As I said I fly both the Canadian and American flag...the Canadian flag out of respect for my Mum and the American flag out of respect for my father.....long story will explain one of these days.
  • Phil Constit... 2012/08/04 06:46:32 (edited)
    Phil
    +2
    A question, if you don't mind? Do you, or would you consider, carrying the Canadian flag at an American 4th of July or Veteran's parade? I have seen several people with foreign flags, marching in parades dedicated to America and felt so disgraced. If they love those other countries so much, why come here to live and display your former Country's flag at an American celebration? I am of French, Canadian, and German decent, but I am an American. I'm not a French American, or a German American, or even a Canadian American. I am an American, plain and simple. I don't believe that there are African Americans, or Romanian Americans, or Polish Americans, or Mexican Americans. I feel that we are all just "AMERICANS". And I ONLY fly the AMERICAN flag and my State flag (sometimes my team flag), but never a foreign flag, l'm not foreign, I'm an American citizen. If I were to travel over the border to Canada, and they ask my origin, I don't say Canadian American, or American Canadian, I just say, "American". If I moved to Canada, I would be a Canadian who supports Canada, not America. I would ONLY fly the Canadian flag. Maybe I'm weird, but I feel we should support the Country that we live in. We don't have to forsake our heritage, but we also don't have to be so proud of it that we emphasize it above America in parades, on our flagpoles, etc.
  • Constit... Phil 2012/08/04 18:28:11
    Constitution Believer
    Phil I live in the United States, I was born in the United States, I fly the Canadian flag AT HOME out of respect for my sister and her husband and ONLY fly it on Canadian Holidays.
    At any given day you can drive by my home and see OLD GLORY WAVING HAPPILY ON HER FLAG POLE.
    I fly only twice a year my dad's 48 star casket flag on D-Day and Memorial day.
    I have had more so called vets bitch me out because I fly her and get ticked off when I tell them I have the legal right to fly a HISTORIC flag.
  • electra... Phil 2012/08/09 19:20:49
    electra tiger vixen
    THANK YOU!!! idk why that guy jumped all over me for saying my opinion.. :|
  • ladd electra... 2013/02/25 13:30:41
    ladd
    +3
    you talk of flags and racism....are you blind to the racism of the current president the days before relecetion he was playing the race game big time SO am i to belive the american flag is racist and get all thin skined,cry n whine maybe?
  • electra... Phil 2012/08/13 00:35:15
  • electra... electra... 2012/08/13 00:36:17
    electra tiger vixen
    sorry phil.. i wasnt trying to blow up your comment and stuff.. i just, idk it really bothered me.. that last message peanut said to me. it hurt.. sorry.
  • electra... Constit... 2012/08/09 19:19:43
  • Constit... electra... 2012/08/09 22:25:20
  • Monty electra... 2012/08/09 16:15:16
    Monty
    better pull the dukes of hazard off tv then
  • electra... 2012/09/14 21:04:00 (edited)
    +3
    Electra i mean this with the utmost respect!! The "rebel" flag (not confederate)is not racist some of the people who claim it are yes but it in its self is not!! its like going to church not everybody gets the same thing out of it but they still believe in something in it!! hence the "rebel" i believe in the flag cause i believe that our government is way to out of control!! i'm a Idaho resident with a puerto rican/american daughter!! in no way do i dislike anyone because of the color of their skin!!! Here is a link that might help http://www.trainweb.org/seabo... Peace,light,love!!!
  • Neutron... 2012/09/14 21:20:17 (edited)
    NeutronBomb
    The battle flag and confederate are one and the same they are just different visual variations of the same theme as the battle flag was easier to see in battle
  • SmittenKitten 2012/08/02 14:59:24
  • The Mosher 2012/08/01 16:04:58
    yes
    The Mosher
    I see the historical value but it is inherently a representation of succession, (so all patriotic american's who have one of these it kinda seems like a contradiction. And of the oppressive era of the Antebellum south so while it has a place in a museum it really seems pointless to me to fly it outside public buildings etc.
  • ☽✪☾Goddess~Worshipper☥ 2012/08/01 09:01:54
    no
    ☽✪☾Goddess~Worshipper☥
    Yes, the KKK did use it for their little flag thing, but I'm pretty damn sure if one of the people who had copyrights to the flag was alive at the time, they would have told them to find something else. Also, the KKK was, at first, a government group, having nothing to do with racism or anything.
  • Paige 2012/08/01 04:37:52
    yes
    Paige
    +3
    The Confederate Flag was established by the states that wanted to secede from the Union because they wanted to have states rights and continue slavery. So yes its racist. Why would we want to glorify a symbol that supported Seceding from the Union. Seceding from the U.S. was all about continuing slavery and people that deny that are trying to rewrite history.
  • Tennessean Paige 2012/08/02 14:37:00
    Tennessean
    Seceding from the Union was all about the South no longer having to pay tribute to the North to the tune a of millions of dollars per year due to an unfair tariff system where the monies were spent mostly in the North.

    The South paid 87% of the tariffs which averaged 47%, and they wanted to establish a soverign nation with low tariffs, but due to the fact that if the South was allowed to secede and establish a free trade zone, it would undermine Northern business and trade.

    The South did not need the North because it could purchase the goods they needed from Europe, but the North needed the South for raw materal and a market for Northern goods.

    It is those that claim freeing the slaves was the reason for the war that are rewriting history.

    If slavery was the reason for the war: why did the Union not free the slaves held in the Union states before, or during the war, and admit West Virginia, to the Union, as a slave state after Southern statres had already began to secede; why did general Grant state that if the war was to free the slaves he would change sides; why did Lincoln state that he had no power or intention of interfering with slavery, pledge to enforce the fugitivfe slave act, and support a new irrevocable constitutional amendment to protect slavery forever; why did the ...
    Seceding from the Union was all about the South no longer having to pay tribute to the North to the tune a of millions of dollars per year due to an unfair tariff system where the monies were spent mostly in the North.

    The South paid 87% of the tariffs which averaged 47%, and they wanted to establish a soverign nation with low tariffs, but due to the fact that if the South was allowed to secede and establish a free trade zone, it would undermine Northern business and trade.

    The South did not need the North because it could purchase the goods they needed from Europe, but the North needed the South for raw materal and a market for Northern goods.

    It is those that claim freeing the slaves was the reason for the war that are rewriting history.

    If slavery was the reason for the war: why did the Union not free the slaves held in the Union states before, or during the war, and admit West Virginia, to the Union, as a slave state after Southern statres had already began to secede; why did general Grant state that if the war was to free the slaves he would change sides; why did Lincoln state that he had no power or intention of interfering with slavery, pledge to enforce the fugitivfe slave act, and support a new irrevocable constitutional amendment to protect slavery forever; why did the Union not mention the issue of slavery until about a year and a half after the war had started; and why did Lincoln not free all the slaves in lieu of only freeing those in the Confederate states?
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  • Paige Tennessean 2012/08/03 03:59:19
    Paige
    +1
    If it makes you feel better to rewrite history be my guest. The war and seceding was about slavery. You can add all that other stuff but it was about slavery and the south losing its free labor. Plain and Simple!
  • Tennessean Paige 2012/08/03 04:37:55
    Tennessean
    If you really believe the war was to free the slaves, please answer the questions I ask in the previous post.

    Maybe you did not know it but due to the invention of labor saving farm equipment the need for farm labor was greatly decreased before the war, and slavery was already on its way out because slave owners were responsible for their slaves for the duration of their lives, even after they were no longer able to work, and slavery was becoming non cost effective, because it was cheaper to hire tenant farmers than keep slaves.

    If it makes you feel better you can ignor the fact that slave labor was not free, due to the cost of purchase and providing for the food, housing, clothing, and medical care for the slaves entire life, while a tenant farmer only cost a portion of the harvest, with no up front money.

    You may also ignor the fact that the Union did not raise the issue of slavery as a cause of the war until about a year and a half after the begining of the war.

    In closing, I would please ask you to consider the questions I ask in the previous post before you make the claim that I am the one rewriting history.
  • Paige Tennessean 2012/08/03 05:18:40
    Paige
    +1
    So you think the selling of humans was not cheap so it was ok. They gave slaves their scrapes they sold children from their parents. They raped slave women. Their living arrangements were indecent. So don't you dare tell me owning slaves was expensive. Do you think they took them shopping to but them clothes. You are Friggin crazy. Slavery was still the cheapest labor, and after the war many Southerns lost their money because they had to actually hire help. Slavery was in no way decreasing. I'm getting so pissed I'm going to not continue this conversation.
  • Tennessean Paige 2012/08/03 14:01:35
    Tennessean
    +1
    I have never claimed that slavery was anything but wrong, and never said that it was OK, just pointed out that both the North and the South were slave owners, that the first decision to make slavery last a lifetime and include the children of slaves, was made in New England, and that the war was not fought over slavery, but over unjust taxation.

    I am sure there were cases where slaves were not properly fed, childern were sold from their parents, and instances of slave rape occurred, but then, as today, most people keep their livestock, and that was what slaves were considered at that time, in good condition in order to achieve maximum production, so it would have made no sense to mistreat or starve a several thousand dollar investment to the point that they could not preform to their maximun potential.

    Although you may not believe it, there were many slaves that felt they were part of the family they belonged to, and fought to protect the members of that family.

    The issue of slavery was not raised by the Union untill about a year and a half after the start, when it looked like England may come in to offer military assistance to the South and the Union needed some moral justification for their actions.

    I would still like you to address the questions I ask, but it is apparent that y...



    I have never claimed that slavery was anything but wrong, and never said that it was OK, just pointed out that both the North and the South were slave owners, that the first decision to make slavery last a lifetime and include the children of slaves, was made in New England, and that the war was not fought over slavery, but over unjust taxation.

    I am sure there were cases where slaves were not properly fed, childern were sold from their parents, and instances of slave rape occurred, but then, as today, most people keep their livestock, and that was what slaves were considered at that time, in good condition in order to achieve maximum production, so it would have made no sense to mistreat or starve a several thousand dollar investment to the point that they could not preform to their maximun potential.

    Although you may not believe it, there were many slaves that felt they were part of the family they belonged to, and fought to protect the members of that family.

    The issue of slavery was not raised by the Union untill about a year and a half after the start, when it looked like England may come in to offer military assistance to the South and the Union needed some moral justification for their actions.

    I would still like you to address the questions I ask, but it is apparent that you have no interest in learning the truth about the reason for the war.

    The reason that Southerns lost their money was because the Union army had destroyed their homes, livestock, infrastructure, not to mention that the South was broke after the war, and carpetbagger governments set up in the South took their property through unjust property taxes.

    I am sorry that you will not even consider that although slavery was a terrible institution, it was not the reason for the war, and that you will not understand that slavery was not in danger because of the statements made by Lincoln of his willingness to enforce the furgitave slave act, that he had no power or intention of interfering with slavery, his willingness to sponsor a constitutional amendment to pritect slavery forever, and even General Grants statement that if he thought the war was to free the slaves, he would change sides, and that he, along with other slave owners in the Union, kept slaves until the the 13th amendment was passed.
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