Do you think that the miscarriage caused by the Colorado shooter should be added to the death toll?

by KaelynnRose Posted 2012/07/30 20:32:34

Related Topics: Shooting Spree, Baby, Family, Medical, Pregnancy, Neck, Media, Daughter, Surgery, Heaven, Evil

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	Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.	59 votes	82%
	No the unborn child should not be considered in the death toll.	6 votes	8%
	I'm not sure.	7 votes	10%

Ashley Moser, has suffered a double heartbreaking tragedy, as a result of James Holmes evil shooting spree. One week after losing her 6 year old daughter Veronica in the shooting spree that claimed at least a dozen lives, her family has now confirmed that she lost the baby she was carrying. Ashley Moser was 8 weeks into her pregnancy.

Asheley Mosers ultrasound

Ashley Moser almost died from her critical injuries to her abdomen and neck and her family had waited to give her the devastating news that her little girl Veronica had died as a result of injuries sustained in the gruesome slaying. The Aurora Medical Center released this statement:

''Ashley Moser is recovering from an additional surgery she had this morning. Tragically, the extreme trauma she sustained also caused a miscarriage."

baby in heaven

Should the baby that she was carrying be counted in the death toll?

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Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/31 00:21:57

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

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First, the miscarriage wouldn't have happened otherwise.

Second, the Bible has something to say about two guys fighting, and hurting a pregnant woman in the process and causing a miscarriage.
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Alexander T Steward 2012/08/19 19:14:35

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

Being killed and having your death ignored is even worse than just being killed.

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dekecds 2012/08/10 20:44:52

I'm not sure.

I love this question because you end up being a heartless monster no matter what your answer is.

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Alexand... to dekecds 2012/08/19 19:15:09

How so?

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dekecds to Alexand... 2012/08/20 00:31:53

If you choose yes, then you are obviously Pro-Life and thus a heartless, sexist, monster who hates women's rights
If you choose no, then you are obviously Pro-Choice and thus a heartless murderer of children who hates family values.
If I choose "I'm not sure" then it's just not true....

What does one do in this day and age?

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Alexand... to dekecds 2012/08/20 09:14:53

But I'm neither pro-life nor pro-choice. Where does that leave me in your narrow-minded veiws?

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dekecds to Alexand... 2012/08/21 03:36:12 (edited)

and the name calling begins....Where does that leave you? I don't know, unless you are saying that you are not sure. Maybe you are saying that there should be a fourth choice that says "I just don't care". That would be fine, I guess, but then why are you answering this type of question?

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sally 2012/08/01 08:39:54

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

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But of course unborn babies are not considered babies until the time of their first breath...Which is why people don't think they kill a baby when they have an abortion, which is why legally they can't count it in the death toll since it wasn't a human being in legal terms yet.

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Kaelynn... to sally 2012/08/01 13:28:39

Actually 36 states carry penalties for causing miscarriages during the commission of a crime.

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jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/07/31 23:17:00

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+2
Absolutely!

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jimmy to jubil8 ... 2012/08/01 18:49:41

+1
TOTALLY AGREE

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star 2012/07/31 21:42:43

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

Bet no one has the nerve to ask his daddy that question..A baby under construction, No one has the right to take its future. If the mother had lived the baby would of..

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Kaelynn... to star 2012/08/01 00:06:40

The mother is alive.

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star to Kaelynn... 2012/08/01 05:27:51

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Yes, Thank God. I found out. I did not read far enough. But was too late to change my opinion.

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Kaelynn... to star 2012/08/01 13:29:33

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I don't know how that poor woman will cope. She lost her beautiful 6 year old an now her baby. :(

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star to Kaelynn... 2012/08/02 03:39:21

it will be very hard. I lost my son through murder in 1984 and the pain lessens but does never go away completely.

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DebraJMSmith 2012/07/31 20:48:11

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+1
Absolutely!

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CHUCK 2012/07/31 19:35:31

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+1
THE CHILD WAS LIVING ,NOW IT IS DEAD..

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Firekitty ∞ijm♥G☮F♀U∞ 2012/07/31 13:14:57

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+2
Yes 100%

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onetirednurse 2012/07/31 11:15:29

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+2
There was a guy here that stabbed his pregnant girlfriend 28 times. She survived but the baby didn't. He was charged with murdering the unborn baby..

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jubil8 ... to onetire... 2012/08/01 21:29:32

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Good! I hope he fries -- or gets treated to fun and games in the showers with "the boys." And fries anyway.

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Don Leuty 2012/07/31 06:29:29

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+1
A life is a life.

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Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2012/07/31 05:41:24

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+1
They have to under the Conor Law.

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Kaelynn... to Hula gi... 2012/07/31 14:20:25 (edited)

While I agree that the child should be considered a victim, and that life is life, Conner's law only applies to federal crimes. It will be interesting to see what he is charged with. If it is prosecuted at the state level Conner's law does not apply. Conner's law only applies to one of 61 listed federal offenses. If he isn't charged with one of those it won't apply.

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Hula gi... to Kaelynn... 2012/08/01 05:07:21

It fits. This baby was in Utreo Connor law was named Connors law because of Connor Peterson that was killed due to his mother being killed in California. Murder is still murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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Kaelynn... to Hula gi... 2012/08/01 05:20:24 (edited)

I know what Conner's law is. it only applies to babies in utero that are killed in the commission of certain federal crimes. I didn't look at the link, I am a criminal justice major. I think your link will explain it better than I can. Connor's law apples to miscarriages that are cause during the commission of one of 61 federal offenses. James Holmes has been charged at a state level.

I wish it did apply. The 8 week old baby deserved better.

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Hula gi... to Kaelynn... 2012/08/01 05:47:06

Murder is a offense that's why it applied to Conner should to this baby too. Conner wasn't a federal baby or on federal grounds or anything federal.

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Kaelynn... to Hula gi... 2012/08/01 13:37:01

Look I am telling you the law. I'm sorry but Conner's law wont apply here no matter how much we may wish it. Unless this man is charged with a crime that falls under the jurisdiction of the Federal Government.

36 states currently offer babies in the womb legal protection. Colorado is not one of them.

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Kaelynn... to Hula gi... 2012/08/01 05:21:19

Ok I found it. This is from your link.

The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on Federal properties, against certain Federal officials and employees, and by members of the military. In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.

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Rachel ~In HP I Trust~ 2012/07/31 03:40:00

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+2
That is so horrible. :( That disgusting monster should be put to death slowly and painfully...

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~Pro-Fetus Anti-Liberal Ant... 2012/07/31 03:21:13

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+2
I'm sure her/his mommy considered her baby to be a child, whether he/she was in or out of the womb. Let's not destroy this woman's life any further, by taking that away from her too.

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lm1b2 2012/07/31 03:04:17

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+1
It should be,but it won't be in a Country that allows Abortion for any reason.

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Scott C 2012/07/31 02:03:57

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+1
The unborn are the future unless they are the unprotected. We have a responsibility to protect those that cannot protect themselves and especially the unborn and the elderly.

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Louisa - Enemy of the State 2012/07/31 01:45:53

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+2
The fetus died, right? If it didn't 'die', did it disappear?

Of course it should be counted as a death and a particularly cruel one at that.

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NoBama Man 2012/07/31 01:18:24 (edited)

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+2
ABSO FRIckEN LUTELY....I am sure the parents believe that their baby was killed. It was a human life to them I am sure...and should be considered as such by every body else.

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Gordon 2012/07/31 01:13:05

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+1
Anybody who does something really bad and causes a miscarriage should be charged with manslaughter. But, I consider abortions as being baby murders.

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sglmom 2012/07/31 01:00:37

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+4
Quite frankly ..
YES .. this little angel .. the one she was carrying .. should be considered another DEATH at the hands of this HEINOUS MONSTER ..

HOLMES should face the DEATH PENALTY .. with immediate execution following sentencing for his crimes ..
there's no 'insanity' here .. he well thought-out his plan, documented it, noted it .. gathered his 'implements of death' ... and did what he INTENDED (pre-meditated COLD-BLOODED Monster MURDERER that he is ).

DENY any insanity plea .. no plea bargains .. he should NEVER linger on for decades in prison with everything coddling his MONSTROUS deeds .. Just line him up .. light him up .. and that is that ..

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thefatguy 2012/07/31 00:48:02

I'm not sure.

+1
This is a great question. Certainly, there should be some punishment for this miscarriage but I don't think it is a murder. At least, the Bible doesn't appear to define it as such.

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Marlene Wilkins 2012/07/31 00:39:11

Yes the unborn child should be considered in the death toll.

+5
Yes.
And the killer should be put to death, immediately as a danger to society, in the same manner as a rabid animal would be.
Wasting $$ keeping him locked up is pointless, and $$ better used elsewhere--Holmes does not deserve continued existence because of his actions thus far. He's a waste of skin, blood, and bone as well as Human potential and his continued existence lessens us all as a species for tolerating such a monster to live.
His death should be quick and efficient, in the same way you'd throw a candy bar wrapper into the trash can. He doesn't deserve mercy, but people deserve NOT to wast any more $$ on this monster wearing a Human skin.

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Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum 2012/07/31 00:30:14

I'm not sure.

It was a horrible tragedy for all. It is tasteless to use this tragedy for political purposes.

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Kaelynn... to Warren ... 2012/07/31 00:46:13

Who is doing that?

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