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Do you think Ronald Reagan would have joined the Tea Party if it had existed 30 years ago?

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  • Zombie Saddam 2012/02/24 23:40:37 (edited)
    NO [explain why you think not].
    Zombie Saddam
    +3
    Ronald Reagan was a Conservative - make no mistake. But his priority lay in governing and bringing people together - not shouting them down. He wanted to combat injustice in the World - not enable it by criticizing US military intervention.

    The Tea Party would have probably tried to primary/impeach Reagan for:
    -> Bombing Libya
    -> Making a budget deal that compromised and cut spending while slightly raising taxes

    Reagan was a gentleman. A Statesman. I don't think he would have been in the Tea Party circles.

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  • FairLady 2012/02/25 02:08:37 (edited)
    YES [explain why you think so].
    FairLady
    I think he would. Reagan was a TRUE conservative.
  • sjalan 2012/02/25 00:55:46
    NO [explain why you think not].
    sjalan
    He wasn't that senile! He could see fascists when they appeared in front of him.
  • ronnie sjalan 2012/03/13 21:07:52 (edited)
    ronnie
    TEA party, fascist? What possible reason in the world could you have to even suggest a comparison between the TEA party and Benito Mussolini? Really and honestly, I do want to know.
  • sjalan ronnie 2012/03/14 01:02:01
    sjalan
    ANYTIME a single group holds the rest hostage as the Tea Party memebers in Congress has done, it is EXACTLY the same as the actions taken in BOTH Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany. The continued acitons of the Tea Party as being obstructionistic to the needs of the people in general ie putting people back to work, supporting energy independence, Proper liberty for women to direct their own health care.

    The Tea Party/Republican Party has with the help of the religious right (exactly as happened in Italy and German with the RCC) ie the RCC + the evangelical groups are demanding the inclusion of religious dogma, doctrines and beliefs be put into our laws and Constitutions. This is the WORST type of Fascism in that in a Representative Constitutional Republican where specific basic human civil rights are guaranteed by the Constitution, the vote of a majority could even begin to be considered when aimed directly against those basic civil rights and minorities within the country.

    Remember, the Nazi's and Fascists did exactly that once the took full control of the government. Currently we have a war on women's rights to care for their own health decisions without the imposition of religious objections to birthcontrol. The massive actions against the "basic human civil right" to t...













    ANYTIME a single group holds the rest hostage as the Tea Party memebers in Congress has done, it is EXACTLY the same as the actions taken in BOTH Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany. The continued acitons of the Tea Party as being obstructionistic to the needs of the people in general ie putting people back to work, supporting energy independence, Proper liberty for women to direct their own health care.

    The Tea Party/Republican Party has with the help of the religious right (exactly as happened in Italy and German with the RCC) ie the RCC + the evangelical groups are demanding the inclusion of religious dogma, doctrines and beliefs be put into our laws and Constitutions. This is the WORST type of Fascism in that in a Representative Constitutional Republican where specific basic human civil rights are guaranteed by the Constitution, the vote of a majority could even begin to be considered when aimed directly against those basic civil rights and minorities within the country.

    Remember, the Nazi's and Fascists did exactly that once the took full control of the government. Currently we have a war on women's rights to care for their own health decisions without the imposition of religious objections to birthcontrol. The massive actions against the "basic human civil right" to the "civil contract of civil marriage" by religious groups against the minority of homosexuals in this country is a blatant attack on a minorities civil rights.

    James Madison made the following observation on the reason we had to have enumerated basic civil rights written into our US Constitution.

    “In our Government it is, perhaps, less necessary to guard against the abuse in the executive department than any other; because it is not the stronger branch of the system, but the weaker. It therefore must be leveled against the legislative, for it is the most powerful and most likely to be abused, because it is under the least control. Hence, so far as a declaration of rights can tend to prevent the exercise of undue power, it cannot be doubted but such declaration is proper.

    But I confess that I do conceive that in a Government modified like this of the United States, the great danger lies rather in the abuse of the community than in the legislative body.

    The prescriptions in favor of liberty ought to be leveled against that quarter where the greatest danger lies, namely, that which possesses the highest prerogative of power.

    But it is not found in either the executive or legislative departments of Government,

    but in the body of the people, operating by the majority against the minority.”

    NEVER DOES THE MAJORITY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REMOVE BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS OF A MINORITY. NEVER.
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  • ronnie sjalan 2012/03/14 16:59:13
    ronnie
    Facist Itasly and German National Socialism had a lot of opposition from the church, manu were atheist and anti cleriacl, Mussonlini especially was very anti-establishment. So read a book before pretending to know everything, secondly, at no time was Fascism and Nazism libertarian, nor were they in any way in favour of a free market economy OR less government intervention. War on women's rights? By that logic I could equally call democrats baby-haters and death worshippers, but I wont because I have a brain, unlike you, the right of life is clearly defined in the declaration of independence.
  • sjalan ronnie 2012/03/14 21:49:41
    sjalan
    ronnie, you are totally wrong about the opposition from the church.

    ronnie totally wrong opposition church

    ronnie totally wrong opposition church

    ronnie totally wrong opposition church

    ronnie totally wrong opposition church

    ronnie totally wrong opposition church

    ronnie totally wrong opposition church
  • ronnie sjalan 2012/03/14 21:54:38
    ronnie
    You think that an image can prove me wrong? The British football team gave the nazi salute at a friendly match against Germany in the 1930s, are thety Nazis? What you do to save your skin in a dictatorship doesnt reflect what your really believe in, Nazis had to keep their antisemtic measures a secret after the church led a public comdemnation of their crimes in the 1930s, Nazis saw the church as an enemy and possible opposition, the only reason why they didnt destroy them is because of the lage part religion played in public german lIfe, instead they reached a deal by which each would leave the other alone. Dont make the silly mistake of associating fascism to religion, because that not the case.
  • sjalan ronnie 2012/03/14 22:00:08
    sjalan
    There is enough proofs of wrong doing by the RCC during WWII for the RCC to have made public applogy to those they wronged. The RCC if you do your research along with the Orthodox Russian church were at odds over the proper stance to be taken in Germany until the RCC Vatican Cardinal signed a "treaty" that gave immunity to all RCC priests that cooperated with the Nazi's during the war that put 10's of thousands of all differnt minorities in jails across German.

    I suggest your do your history research better before you mke these kinds of defenses of the RCC.


    differnt minorities jails german history research mke kinds defenses rcc

    Cardinal Secretary of State, Eugenio Pacelli (later to become Pope Pius XII) signs the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican at a formal ceremony in Rome on 20 July 1933. Nazi Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen sits at the left, Pacelli in the middle, and the Rudolf Buttmann sits at the right. The Concordat effectively legitimized Hitler and the Nazi government to the eyes of Catholicism, Christianity, and the world.
  • ronnie sjalan 2012/03/15 19:41:45 (edited)
    ronnie
    Maybe its you who should do the research, fascist doctrine is anti establishment and anti-clerical, I repeat, what you do to save your skin in a dictatorship is NOT what you really believe in, else every single russian would be a communist. They reached the agreement because the church wished to be left alone, that does not reflect that it was pro-nazi, Hitler singed a non-aggression pact with Stalin, does that make him a commmunist?
  • sjalan ronnie 2012/03/15 21:58:35
    sjalan
    Yep sure is but the RCC signed the documents making the RCC priest immune to BOTH the nazi and fascist police enforcements. AND the RCC supported them both as well.

    Can't fight the reality of the doucments.
  • ronnie sjalan 2012/03/15 22:04:51
    ronnie
    Then by that rule every single German citizen who didnt fight the Nazis were criminals. Its very easy to say that the church is evil for supporting the Nazis, but you must remember that many in Britain liked Hitler and Mussolini, whom they saw as potential allies against the larger communist threat of the USSR, how could they have known there would be a holocaust? People in North Korea do whatever it is to survive, so did people and organisations in Nazi Germany.
  • sjalan ronnie 2012/03/15 22:08:49
    sjalan
    That's right every single one of them. AND those that did fight were too.

    Those in Britain that liked them were also large industrialist that benefited from the arms they were selling to both of them as well as the raw materials form their foreighn holdings.

    Survival is one thing. Outright endorsement and collusion with them is criminal, and since it caused the deaths of millions of Jews, it becomes a capitol crime and should be tried to this day as such.
  • ronnie sjalan 2012/03/15 22:18:36
    ronnie
    No, Nazism, however horrible an idea, still remains an idea, freedom of expression means the right to be a Nazi or a Communist or an Anarchist or a Conservative or a Liberal, preaching a message is allowed, murder is not
  • sjalan ronnie 2012/03/15 22:21:56
    sjalan
    Exactly, and when any of these preach prejudice, bigotry, hatred and then create violence of personal injury it is not the action that needs to be dealt with but the association of persons that under RICO laws here in the US is a conspirarcy to commit the crime of personal injury.
  • American☆Atheist 2012/02/25 00:29:48
    YES [explain why you think so].
    American☆Atheist
    he was pretty dumb
  • Steve J~PWCM~JLA 2012/02/25 00:03:12
    YES [explain why you think so].
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Reagan would have been the rallying point.
  • Howler 2012/02/24 23:51:52
    YES [explain why you think so].
    Howler
    +1
    Common ultimate goals for the limitations of government and preservation of freedom & liberty IMO.
  • mae 2012/02/24 23:51:17 (edited)
    NO [explain why you think not].
    mae
    +2
    No. Regan liked to lead. He wasn't a follower. Regan would have come up with his own idea, and easily gathered conservatives behind him by fostering a winning--i.e. The Gipper" spirit, not the yell-fest tactics that have become the Tea Party's calling card.
  • Kaimeso 2012/02/24 23:44:43
    NO [explain why you think not].
    Kaimeso
    +1
    Initially Reagan might have been a tea party supporter. But now the original tea party ideas have been put in second place after the religious nut cases took over the movement. So at this time, No, Reagan probably wouldn't have anything to do with the Tea Party.
  • mal 2012/02/24 23:44:08
    NO [explain why you think not].
    mal
    +1
    At that point in time he may not have thought we needed one.
  • Grabitz 2012/02/24 23:42:13
    NO [explain why you think not].
    Grabitz
    +1
    He may have had Alzheimer's but he did have a mind of his own unlike the tea party .
  • THE ONE 2012/02/24 23:42:01
    YES [explain why you think so].
    THE ONE
    +1
    BOTH REAGAN AND THE TEA PARTY BELIEVE IN SMALLER GOVERNMENT, LOWER TAXES AND INDIVIDUAL PERSONS AND STATE FREEDOMS.
  • Kevin V... THE ONE 2012/02/25 00:06:58
    Kevin Verdone
    Then why did Reagan raise taxes so much? And all these other little tidbits?

    http://thinkprogress.org/poli...
  • THE ONE Kevin V... 2012/02/25 00:58:37
    THE ONE
    +1
    PULL YOUR HEAD OUT....REAGAN LOWERED TAXES.
  • Kevin V... THE ONE 2012/02/25 01:41:42
    Kevin Verdone
    http://articles.cnn.com/2011-...

    Have another one:
    http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/...

    And another:
    http://thinkprogress.org/econ...

    And another:
    http://capitalgainsandgames.c...

    He also increased government spending:
    http://mises.org/freemarket_d...

    Please do some research before talking. Yelling doesn't make you right.
  • THE ONE Kevin V... 2012/02/25 06:50:03 (edited)
    THE ONE
    SON, YOU ARE NOT EVEN OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW ABOUT REAGAN.....SO STOP BELIEVING EVERYTHING GEORGE SOROS COMANDS YOU TO THINK.

    THAT IS THE GREAT COMPARISON BETWEEN REAGAN AND OBAMA.... REAGAN CUT TAXES AFTER INHERITING A FART WORST ECONOMY AND RESTORED AMERICA TO ITS FULL GREATNESS.

    OBAMA IS TAKING THE OPPOSITE APPROACH.... AND GETTING THE OPPOSITE RESULTS.
  • Kevin V... THE ONE 2012/02/25 08:24:16
    Kevin Verdone
    Reagan cut taxes, then raised them about 10 or 11 times. You can yell all you want, but unless history and every website on the internet is biased against Reagan, no one will believe you. How about you act like an adult and stop thinking you're superior just because you're older.
  • THE ONE Kevin V... 2012/02/29 04:25:30
    THE ONE
    I'M SUPERIOR CUZ I'M SMARTER.
  • Kevin V... THE ONE 2012/02/29 07:45:55
    Kevin Verdone
    Hmmm, yes. I couldn't tell before but I'm sure about it now. You're a troll.
  • THE ONE Kevin V... 2012/02/29 17:30:06
    THE ONE
    NO...JUST A PRO AMERICAN AMERICAN WHO WAS NOT DUMB ENOUGH TO FALL FOR OBAMAS MANY LIES.
  • ronnie Kevin V... 2012/03/14 21:57:15 (edited)
    ronnie
    He had to raise taxes to be able to pay for the liberal welfare programs and Carter's two new useless energy and education departments. Make no mistake, Reagan raised taxes because the situation demanded it, but he anti tax, and inflation reduced drastically during his presidency, economic growth increased massively too. He was also pushed by a democratic congress in more than one occasion
  • Kevin V... ronnie 2012/03/18 21:28:35
    Kevin Verdone
    But that's also why the Tea Party wouldn't like him- because he compromised. The Tea Party I've seen (my parents took me to a rally a few years ago) wants everything their way. There is no compromise for them.
  • ronnie Kevin V... 2012/03/18 22:11:44
    ronnie
    Its easy to demand no compromise when you're not in power, liberals do it too, but reality is different, thats fact for the left and the right wings alike.
  • Kevin V... ronnie 2012/03/19 03:47:28
    Kevin Verdone
    Yeah, they do. It stinks when elected officials act like grade school soccer teams where the other team is bad "just because." I wasn't alive when Reagan was around but I can't think that politics was as partisan and divided as it is now.
  • Zombie Saddam 2012/02/24 23:40:37 (edited)
    NO [explain why you think not].
    Zombie Saddam
    +3
    Ronald Reagan was a Conservative - make no mistake. But his priority lay in governing and bringing people together - not shouting them down. He wanted to combat injustice in the World - not enable it by criticizing US military intervention.

    The Tea Party would have probably tried to primary/impeach Reagan for:
    -> Bombing Libya
    -> Making a budget deal that compromised and cut spending while slightly raising taxes

    Reagan was a gentleman. A Statesman. I don't think he would have been in the Tea Party circles.
  • ronnie Zombie ... 2012/03/18 22:14:24
    ronnie
    Reagan was a good man, there are certain occasions where taxes must be raised, we must not deny that no matter how republicans we are, fiscal responsibility must always be a priority, tax cuts cannot be carried out without previously shutting down the programs that take up most of the public expenditure

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