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Do You Think Red States Receive More Federal Handouts Then Blue States?

SemperRick 2011/08/08 06:04:02

Republicans: The True "Handouts" Party











Found this little gem in slate today -



We all know about the Republicans and Tea Party wailing about spending and "government handouts".



Well... guess which states consistently take in more Federal money than
they give back in Federal taxes - you got it, the Red States!



(Supporting Data can be found here. at the Tax Foundation)



Now in fairness, Conservative states tend to be more rural, poorer, and
more backwards than liberal states. So it should come as no surprise
that they need more money to stay afloat. But it is humorous to see
Conservative politicians screaming about "big government" and
"handouts", and demanding that the liberal states cut spending... but
they themselves are the ones who need more money.



America is a soup kitchen. The liberal states supply the soup, and the
Conservative states drain the soup, all the while muttering about
"handouts."

Now mind you this information is coming from Slate magazine. and from that alone I am leery of skewed numbers or half truths. what I do believe is that these numbers are not simply relying welfare statistics, but the whole entire big picture. So when I went to the tax foundation myself, my suspicions were absolutely correct. The author of this thread from Military.com conveniently left out that this report was done in 2004 and is exactly what I predicted. This was not about red states getting more handout money, but how red state representatives go about receiving federal money in general. Obviously the person who wrote this opinion at military.com used his skewed half truths to make his point. This person knows that liberals hardly ever research something that is written especially if it comes from a liberal author. It's like "well if it's written on the internet then it must be true. I say look for yourself and make up your own mind.








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  • Freedom4 2011/08/09 22:15:44
    Freedom4
    +1
    What about going county by county around the country.

    Dear Blue States:

    Well, imagine our relief that you’ve decided to secede and form some sort of bathing-optional commune headquartered in California. The money we'll save in aspirin, now that we won’t have headaches from listening to your interminable whining, will be worth it to us alone.

    We'll finally be rid of you lazy, moping, latte-sucking Streisand fans now that you're actually going to follow through--for once--on your promise to finally get off your butts and leave, as so many of you claimed you would every election cycle and then chickened out of actually doing. (Yeah, we’re looking at you, Alec Baldwin.)

    But not so fast. You don’t get to take all the Blue States with you--just the Blue parts.

    We hate to break it to you, but your Blue States aren’t actually 'blue.' Mostly, they’re states full of Red counties with pockets of Blue urban blight in them, who vote Democratic in such numbers that if the same results came out of a Third World country—which, come to think of it, many of the 'Blue' counties pretty much are—we’d think it was fraud and send some election observers from the UN.

    Even California is pretty much a Red State: Bush won 35 out of 58 counties, while Kerry won LA and San Francisco. You want 'em?...









































































    What about going county by county around the country.

    Dear Blue States:

    Well, imagine our relief that you’ve decided to secede and form some sort of bathing-optional commune headquartered in California. The money we'll save in aspirin, now that we won’t have headaches from listening to your interminable whining, will be worth it to us alone.

    We'll finally be rid of you lazy, moping, latte-sucking Streisand fans now that you're actually going to follow through--for once--on your promise to finally get off your butts and leave, as so many of you claimed you would every election cycle and then chickened out of actually doing. (Yeah, we’re looking at you, Alec Baldwin.)

    But not so fast. You don’t get to take all the Blue States with you--just the Blue parts.

    We hate to break it to you, but your Blue States aren’t actually 'blue.' Mostly, they’re states full of Red counties with pockets of Blue urban blight in them, who vote Democratic in such numbers that if the same results came out of a Third World country—which, come to think of it, many of the 'Blue' counties pretty much are—we’d think it was fraud and send some election observers from the UN.

    Even California is pretty much a Red State: Bush won 35 out of 58 counties, while Kerry won LA and San Francisco. You want 'em? we certainly won’t fight you for them but you're going to have to found New California without 35 of your most beautiful counties and your second-largest city. Sorry about that.

    Nationally, Bush won over 2.5 million square miles of U.S. counties (and an extra three and a half million votes, but we won't rub that in.) Kerry won less than 600,000 square miles--meaning that in most states he was popular downtown and pretty much nowhere else. In other words, your guy won the places that people like him would get shot if he walked through them at night. Our guy won every place else.

    So, the bottom line is that you don't get the Blue States. Those states have lots of towns and counties that would rather blow their dams and flood themselves out of existence rather than go with you. No, instead, you get the Blue Cities.

    But wait…we really feel we owe you full disclosure on this exchange. This might come as an unpleasant surprise, but you don’t actually get the lower divorce and single-motherhood rates and all that other good stuff you think you're going to snag. Those are the conditions that are actually found out in the Red counties—not in the Blue cities, and you can't have them.

    Instead you get the urban single moms, not the soccer moms; the drug addicts, not the doctors; the waiters, not the chefs. You get the fine service you've come to expect from the brutal and corrupt inner-city police departments. You get the abysmal literacy rates and schools that are more dangerous than most prisons. All in all, you get to take with you a public sector in most cities so unmanageable they make Mogadishu seem like a tidily run little municipality by comparison.

    You get the labor union shakedown artists, 'teachers' who can’t pass tests in their own subject, and city government leaders for whom graft, racial spoils systems, and outright theft are a way of life. They’re all very enthusiastic Blue voters, as you know, and we’re sure they’ll stampede their way to New California to start draining your wallets, wrecking your schools, and in general making a mess of your lives.



    And don't come complaining back to us when socialist central planning does for New California what it did for garden spots like East Berlin and Pyongyang. We're putting a strict visa system into place once you all go.)

    We, on the other hand, get those Red city suburbs and rural districts. You know, the ones with the good schools, the high property values, the quiet streets and the sheriffs and cops who don’t need to walk around armored up like they’re about to storm the Sunni Triangle.

    Oh and don’t concern yourself with our agricultural capacity after all, they don't call it "the breadbasket" for nothin'. We’ll keep right on producing the vast majority of wheat, corn, oats, rye, potatoes, soybeans, beef, chicken and pork.

    We’ve always preferred a nice, unpretentious, frosty mug of brew anyway and hey, maybe you can make a salad with those pineapples, stem cells, and lettuce.

    And don't even think about keeping the National Parks, the wide open spaces, all those water resources, and all the rest of America's natural splendor, since those are all pretty much located in Red counties.

    Hell, we even get most of Oregon and Washington ...ain’t it ironic? You get the urban liberals in Portland and Seattle and their friends in important social organizations (like, say, drug-running street gangs) and we get the rest of the Northwest.

    Ok by us; we’d be fools not to take you up on it.

    Here’s how it will work; all of you Blue whiners, please feel free to look at a map of the electoral results county by county in each state, and take the people with you who’ve made it clear they’d like to go.

    That means you get places like downtown Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, and we get to keep the rest of beautiful Pennsylvania, thanks.

    You get to administer bloated public services to the violent, drug-addled, gunslinging populations of delightful inner-city sinkholes of poverty and corruption such as Miami, St. Louis,Atlanta and the ever-popular District of Columbia--which has been governed by liberals (and the occasional crackhead) for so long and so incompetently that any semblance of order has broken down (beyond the carefully guarded borders of your Georgetown bistros, natch) to the point where even the mayor once asked the President to have the city patrolled by National Guardsmen.

    Lucky you, it's all yours--enjoy it in good health, and don’t forget to wear your Kevlar...Blue "voters" up there in Northeast DC tend to be jumpy on the ol' trigger finger.

    In fact, all around our great nation, you get to keep all the Blue voters who’ve made urban war zones like downtown Detroit--a Blue bastion, of course--the proud showplaces they are today.

    We get the rest of Blue states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Illinois and...well, frankly, just about every state in the Union with the exception of Hawaii and New England--and even there, we’ll just hang on to a couple of chunks of New Hampshire and Connecticut.

    You’re especially more than welcome to Rhode Island, which will immediately set up some sort of money-laundering scheme and bilk the rest of you once it has been incorporated into whatever sort of muddle-headed utopia you’re trying to create.

    The former mayor of Providence should be out of Federal prison in time to join your Politburo and help you get things set up--for a small consulting fee, of course

    If you would please, take another look at the list of best beaches and notice what color states they are in. We'll miss the Hawaiian beaches, but since long stretches of coastline from New Jersey down to Florida and yes, even in Southern California (including San Diego, thanks) are actually in Red counties, we'll be fine.

    Sure, we get the rednecks and holy rollers. But since you're apparently willing to trade them for the gangs and psychopaths terrorizing your Blue cities, what can we say? You want the Crips and the Bloods in low riders raking your streets with automatic gunfire, and you're offering us Bubba heading off to church in his pickup?

    Hey, a deal's a deal. Done.

    True, you also get Manhattan, but darn the luck, you have to take the rest of the city, including the Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn too, as well as Long Island, which is enough to almost make us feel sorry for you all out there in New California. (Almost.)

    For our part, we’ll take most of the rest of gorgeous New York State, although you get the scam artists who infest the legislature in Albany.

    And since for some unfathomable reason you actually want Elliot Spitzer, we’ll buy his plane ticket as a gesture of goodwill.

    So that’s the deal. You get the cities, with all the crime, crack mommies, and corruption you can stand.

    And sure, you get many of the elite colleges too, with the professors who think that terrorists in Fallujah are freedom fighters and that the people who worked in the Twin Towers on 9/11 were no better than Nazis—forgive us for not lamenting over this loss.

    We get the suburbs, the countryside, and all the other beautiful places that remain unspoiled by liberal hypocrisy and addle-brained social experimentation.

    And we'd like a favor, too: please keep your sky-high tax and crime rates, since we're happy to have the corporations and jobs that continue to flee your Blue cities into our Red counties. It's much appreciated, since our unemployment rates, to say nothing of our crime, single-parenting, and illiteracy rates, are far lower than yours.

    Oh, and one last thing. We get the U.S. military, too. Did we mention that part? (You may have forgotten that they're volunteers, and most are happy Red state voters.)

    Not to worry, though, since we’re sure that Islamic fundamentalist terrorists will be more than happy to reach an accommodation with a society that embraces radical feminism, gay marriage, gun control, hostility to organized religion of any kind, and Salman Rushdie. Good luck with that.

    But one day when some misogynist Saudi freak--who no doubt will sneak into your country by strolling over the northern border after a few years sucking on the Canadian welfare system you all admire so much--blows up a couple kilos of plutonium on Sunset Boulevard, go send Sean Penn to ask the French for help. We’ll be busy that day.

    Sincerely,

    The Red States

    PS: You can keep the marijuana. You're going to need it, since selling it is one of the last stable industries left in Blue counties. sincerely red ps marijuana selling stable industries blue counties
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  • Jimbo 2011/08/08 17:53:57
    Jimbo
    The state with the largest per capita increase in food stamps the past year is AL. Texas took more Stimulus money than California. Red states have a negative cash flow to the Federal government.
  • Ben Brink 2011/08/08 06:13:48
    Ben Brink
    +1
    Well, I suspect another reason is that the Republicans had been in the majority for a while in 2004. If you looked at a period when the Democrats had been in power it probably would have been the other way around. Both parties use bringing money home as a way to stay in office and, less cynically, many have felt in the past that bringing home the pork was one of their congressional duties. Hopefully the death of earmarks, or at least vacation from earmarks, will change this.
  • Zuggi Ben Brink 2011/08/08 12:44:56
    Zuggi
    Not really; if you look at the old Tax Foundation docs, you'll see it's pretty consistent regardless of party in control.
  • Ben Brink Zuggi 2011/08/08 13:09:15 (edited)
    Ben Brink
    Hum, interesting. Not sure why that would be unless it is, as suggested in the article above, that urban states tend to be tax exporting and rural states tend to be tax importing. Certainly both parties seem to feed from the trough with equal enthusiasm. It would be interesting to see if there are a small group of programs--say military bases--that tend to cause this or if it is lots of different things. BTW, is this only money directly to states and specific projects in states or does this include payments to individuals through entitlements--if the later were included, I suspect it would skew toward urban states.
  • Zuggi Ben Brink 2011/08/08 13:33:27
    Zuggi
    I believe it includes both, though I do not remember for certain.
  • Ben Brink Zuggi 2011/08/08 15:23:30
    Ben Brink
    +1
    Checked the tax foundation. Recent significant net tax importers (consistently over 1.02) include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming, District of Columbia--that's 31 our of 51 and would be 34 or 35 if I included all over 1.0--many are red but I don't think that's the main factor. All neighbors of DC are tax importers--Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia--understandable. Of the rest most are either heavy agricultural--Senate is apportioned by state, you know--we know about farm subsidies that are too large, especially ethanol. The next group is heavy military. The next appears to be states like Pennsylvania that are very depressed after coal mining has been discouraged. However, I think your point was that all our Senators and Representatives feed at the trough regardless of party--perhaps Republicans have been better at it, or not, the numbers are not totally clear. It is certainly a problem that belongs to both parties, and I'm ready to accept that the Rs are guilty as well as Ds, and both need to stop.
  • Rusty Shackleford 2011/08/08 06:11:20
    Rusty Shackleford
    +1
    I don't care, stop ALL handouts, it's our money anyway, why does it have to be filtered thru polititions where they just skim some off the top and tell us how we have to spend it?

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