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Do you think people on public aid should be drug tested?

Tudie BN 2012/08/06 19:10:04
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  • R. 2012/08/06 19:47:47
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    R.
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    I get tested in order to fund their habits.
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  • TheFightingPanties 2012/08/08 21:23:14
    None of the above
    TheFightingPanties
    +1
    the time, effort, and cost it would take to catch what makes up a fraction of the recipients makes the whole idea completely ridiculous.
  • Tudie BN TheFigh... 2012/08/08 22:08:03 (edited)
    Tudie BN
    Thanks Rain !
  • Kuruptsoul 2012/08/08 20:30:14
    Undecided
    Kuruptsoul
    +1
    Only if they are black
  • Tudie BN Kuruptsoul 2012/08/08 22:08:32
    Tudie BN
    Thanks kurt !
  • william raggett 2012/08/08 02:55:35
    Hmm
    william raggett
    +1
    Yes absolutley
  • Tudie BN william... 2012/08/08 03:34:09
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  • gfreeman BN-0 2012/08/07 14:55:40
    Hmm
    gfreeman BN-0
    +1
    No. If the state of Florida has shown us anything in their experiment, it's not worth spending millions to save thousands.
  • Kat ♪ 2012/08/07 13:11:24 (edited)
    Hmm
    Kat ♪
    +1
    Yes, they aren't all druggies, but if the people making the money they are receiving could be subject to it to work, why not. There is a lot of fraud in the system.
  • santa6642 2012/08/07 13:10:30
    All of the above
    santa6642
    +2
    Yes it is about time, and if usen , they are now on their own, no help at all.
  • Tudie BN santa6642 2012/08/08 03:34:38
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  • foy49 2012/08/07 07:17:37
    None of the above
    foy49
    +2
    I think the people who hold the public trust should be.
  • princess 2012/08/07 07:00:06
    Hmm
    princess
    +2
    Absolutely....that's long past due!!
  • Tudie BN princess 2012/08/08 03:35:01
    Tudie BN
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  • kobidobidog 2012/08/07 05:25:19
    None of the above
    kobidobidog
    +1
    This is to redirect the mind away from the drugs in Pharmacies, and in the soft sounding name building called a hospital. Leave people alone.
  • Helmholtz 2012/08/07 04:25:44
    Aw
    Helmholtz
    +1
    No. I don't think that anyone should, unless the employer thinks that you shouldn't have it in your system while on his/her time.
  • Dweezle 2012/08/07 04:13:35
    None of the above
    Dweezle
  • Me 2012/08/07 03:39:28
    Hmm
    Me
    +1
    yes i most definitely think they all should
  • Tudie BN Me 2012/08/08 03:35:19
    Tudie BN
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    Thanks Me !
  • adhikari_2000 2012/08/07 03:34:19
    None of the above
    adhikari_2000
    +1
    It is difficult to tell the exact answer as nobody can approve any drug for longer point to point for specific set of diseses for drug therapy without help from most of the people, again sometimes my learning on drug trial before it can give some scope on use is on allowed risk issues, for example on neurological disorders, it is actually a puzzle between set of functioning and non-functionting unimpaired people to regulatory appproval especially from FDA on drugs therapy on healthy individuals,For example Methylphenidate( Ritalin, Concerta etc. ) used in ADHD and nacrolepsy having risk could worsen on performance in a subject of users or on complex tasks,cardiovascular complications and seizures, hallucinations and addiction. Again Modafinil(Provigil) for nacrolepsy and excessive sleepiness because of shift work or obstructive sleep apnea; risk here may give higher potential to addiction than originally thought, can also cause serious skin rashes; Similarly there are numerous complicating aspects from cognitive disoders to HIV to Cancer to its effect about passing capability to fight on challanges on US frontiers. The main challange we can do long term animal experiments unless it is useful to people in most regular basis . I will pray for you for your safe health along with ...
    It is difficult to tell the exact answer as nobody can approve any drug for longer point to point for specific set of diseses for drug therapy without help from most of the people, again sometimes my learning on drug trial before it can give some scope on use is on allowed risk issues, for example on neurological disorders, it is actually a puzzle between set of functioning and non-functionting unimpaired people to regulatory appproval especially from FDA on drugs therapy on healthy individuals,For example Methylphenidate( Ritalin, Concerta etc. ) used in ADHD and nacrolepsy having risk could worsen on performance in a subject of users or on complex tasks,cardiovascular complications and seizures, hallucinations and addiction. Again Modafinil(Provigil) for nacrolepsy and excessive sleepiness because of shift work or obstructive sleep apnea; risk here may give higher potential to addiction than originally thought, can also cause serious skin rashes; Similarly there are numerous complicating aspects from cognitive disoders to HIV to Cancer to its effect about passing capability to fight on challanges on US frontiers. The main challange we can do long term animal experiments unless it is useful to people in most regular basis . I will pray for you for your safe health along with all US citizens to GOD.Thank you all. assure and promise to present and future US beings
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  • Diana 2012/08/07 01:37:48
    All of the above
    Diana
    +2
    I'm sure a lot of people abuse their welfare.By selling their food stamps.How else is the government going to crack down on dishonest people.The aid should be for people who truly need it.
  • Tudie BN Diana 2012/08/08 03:35:43
    Tudie BN
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    Thanks Diana !
  • smilinbobs 2012/08/07 01:35:25
    Hmm
    smilinbobs
    +2
    Of course they should be drug tested, if they have a means of getting money for drugs then they don't need our (taxpayer) money. If they can't support themselves then they shouldn't worry about their privacy being invaded they should be thankful that someone is willing to help them out as long as they can show that they aren't spending all of their money on drugs.
  • geneticmistake 2012/08/06 23:53:34
    None of the above
    geneticmistake
    +1
    No. The government doesn't have the right to assume someone is taking drugs without any indications. Indiscriminate drug testing is a costly farce. Most drugs are detectable in a urine sample for only a few days after use. Someone would have to be contacted to appear for a drug test within 48 hours. No way I'll support that much government intervention in private lives. In addition the most dangerous drug, alcohol, is legal. Talk about government hypocrisy.

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  • AyyyJose 2012/08/06 23:45:10
    Aw
    AyyyJose
    +1
    That's hard cuz I know a few families who depend on Gov't aid & one of the parents from each is usually a drug addict... But then they need to stop abusing the aid given to them & actually go out & work & let go of the drugs.. So I guess they should be, if you need aid, give up the drugs.. I mean if you really need it... Get help.. Idk, I lost my train of though -.-"
  • Tudie BN AyyyJose 2012/08/07 02:37:14 (edited)
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    Thanks AyyyJose !
  • Leslie 2012/08/06 23:35:53
    None of the above
    Leslie
  • Tudie BN Leslie 2012/08/06 23:44:47
    Tudie BN
    +1
    Thank sleslie !
  • wildcat 2012/08/06 23:19:13
    Hmm
    wildcat
    +2
    I think anyone who gets a government check should have to be in a pool for random UA testing. Cops, teachers, military, politicians, any and all
  • Tudie BN wildcat 2012/08/06 23:44:28
    Tudie BN
    +1
    Thanks wildcat !
  • kotabear 2012/08/06 22:40:20
    Undecided
    kotabear
    +1
    That's hard for me to form an opinion on. First, I am anti-drug. I also believe that those on gov. aid should be trying to pull themselves out instead of wasting time doing drugs.
    BUT drug testing them is somewhat an invasion of privacy. However, if we are giving them money from others, why would we permit something illegal for them to act in?
    - Maybe I should change my answer to 'yes.' I guess I had to type it out to decide: if the government is going to help someone out, they should not permit those people to do illegal things. I know it's an invasion of privacy, but the answer is if they are on drugs, just let it go and don't give them aid.
    It's just hard for me because a part of me wants to say that people should do what they want. Sigh sigh.
  • Tudie BN kotabear 2012/08/06 23:08:13
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  • handeman 2012/08/06 22:29:37
    Hmm
    handeman
  • Tudie BN handeman 2012/08/06 22:39:03
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  • Radlad 2012/08/06 22:25:46
    None of the above
    Radlad
    +1
    Not really. What I think is anyone receiving government handouts should not be able to vote. Since they are going to vote for whoever offers them the most goodies. The only exception to this would be retired military and those disabled while in service to our country........
  • Michael S. Radlad 2012/08/06 22:45:47 (edited)
    Michael S.
    +2
    This sounds like a good idea on its face, but I think it would be wise to tread lightly: For instance, would that include anyone who works for a company that receives corporate welfare? I think corporate welfare needs to be eliminated ASAP of course, but my point is that a policy like this would set a precedent, and that precedent could then be expanded upon to apply far more broadly than you ever imagined. It would incentivize the government to find new ways to shanghai almost anyone into "aid programs" that would disenfranchise them. Today, statist rhetoric sounds like, "You didn't build that." Before long, it might sound like, "When you really think about it, everyone lives by the generosity of the government...so really, all of us are on welfare." ;)
  • Radlad Michael S. 2012/08/08 22:08:09
    Radlad
    +1
    At least the liberals seem to think so. There are liberals in both parties. But what exactly do you consider to be corporate welfare? I have an idea what it is but not 100% sure. I do agree with you that it could be expanded. (either welfare or those that cannot vote) But then there was a time when only land and property owners could vote. Mainly taxpayers.
  • Michael S. Radlad 2012/08/09 06:19:05 (edited)
    Michael S.
    There are a lot of different forms of corporate welfare, some more blatant than others. For instance, subsidies are flat out, literally corporate welfare (e.g. corn subsidies). A level down, there are government contracts, especially no-bid contracts. After that it gets more subtle: For instance, governments sometimes indirectly pick and choose winners and losers by selectively giving out government loans with special rates to certain corporations (e.g. Wal-Mart).

    If requirements were put on voting, we could easily and quickly come to the point where anyone who worked for one of the above employers could be disenfranchised. After that, if politicians wanted to disenfranchise more people, it would probably come from loopy Elizabeth Warren thinking like "well, we all use roads, blah blah, so we're all on the dole." ;)

    It's true that only land owners used to be able to vote. While this made it harder for government to arbitrarily redistribute wealth downward, it could also have made it easier for government to arbitrarily redistribute wealth upward, either directly or indirectly. (BTW, you might be interested in Frederic Bastiat's "The Law," actually.) Ultimately, I don't think these problems can be solved by restricting voting; I think they can only be solved by severely r...


    There are a lot of different forms of corporate welfare, some more blatant than others. For instance, subsidies are flat out, literally corporate welfare (e.g. corn subsidies). A level down, there are government contracts, especially no-bid contracts. After that it gets more subtle: For instance, governments sometimes indirectly pick and choose winners and losers by selectively giving out government loans with special rates to certain corporations (e.g. Wal-Mart).

    If requirements were put on voting, we could easily and quickly come to the point where anyone who worked for one of the above employers could be disenfranchised. After that, if politicians wanted to disenfranchise more people, it would probably come from loopy Elizabeth Warren thinking like "well, we all use roads, blah blah, so we're all on the dole." ;)

    It's true that only land owners used to be able to vote. While this made it harder for government to arbitrarily redistribute wealth downward, it could also have made it easier for government to arbitrarily redistribute wealth upward, either directly or indirectly. (BTW, you might be interested in Frederic Bastiat's "The Law," actually.) Ultimately, I don't think these problems can be solved by restricting voting; I think they can only be solved by severely restricting the powers of government altogether.

    Back to corporate welfare for a moment:
    Most people wouldn't consider this corporate welfare par say, but on a much more subtle plane, you have a plethora of regulations which (inadvertantly or not) harm small companies more than larger corporations, thereby giving them an unnatural competitive advantage. (Most people have trouble navigating the actual impact of regulations though, so they don't realize how this happens.)
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  • Radlad Michael S. 2012/08/10 02:21:18
    Radlad
    +1
    Pretty much what I thought. Some folks seem to think tax write offs as corporate welfare. Business overhead equipment breaking down and such. And conservatives vote for it as much as liberals. Old Jessie Helms as much as he did not like the farm subsidies bills he always voted for them. To vote against them would cost him his job.......

    I hate to say it but I believe my idea of those on the government dole should not vote to be wrong. I thank you for your time and enlightening me, Have a good one
  • Michael S. 2012/08/06 22:21:58
    Undecided
    Michael S.
    +1
    Technically, I'm opposed to aid programs altogether (but it would be unwise and likely destructive to prioritize them over fixing corporate welfare, military spending, larger social programs like Social Security, regulations, monetary policy, and all of the other policies killing the economy).

    That said, I've read that drug testing welfare beneficiaries is little more than a "feel-good, do-nothing" political maneuver that costs more money than it saves. I'm not sure if that's the case or not, since I can't cite any figures from the top of my head, but I'd urge caution in any case. It's also important to remember that almost anyone can get off of a hard drug long enough to pass a drug test, so drug tests are really only good for weeding out pot smokers anyway, rather than the kind of people who are seriously addicted and likely to spend their aid money on drugs. (For that matter, you're just as likely to "catch" someone who got their pot for free from a friend as someone who spent aid money on it.)
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