Do you think Osama bin Laden’s death should be raised now as a campaign issue?
ABC News Politics
2012/04/30 14:58:48
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ppk007@cfl.rr.com 2012/04/30 17:10:01Yes, it’s an important event that’s worth highlighting again.+9Why not - did Bush try to use "Mission Accomplished".... Didn't Reagan use Carter's failed attempt to rescue the hostages against him?..so yeah, it's fair game to use it...

















When did this country NOT have a deficit?
Now, either you think that he didn't come into term during a recession or you do-- which is it?
Because an unemployment rate of 8.1 percent isn't even a full percentage point over what he took over at (7.8 percent).
You can look at the private sector job growth and see that there's been 4 million jobs brought there. How did that happen? Magic?
http://costofwar.com/en/
When you compare the cost of those two wars with the debt, you'll notice we're making out pretty well, here. No?
Somehow the BLS is going to give me a different number?
http://www.bls.gov/news.relea...
OH REALLY?
"Nonfarm payroll employment rose by 115,000 in April, and the unemployment rate was little changed at 8.1 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today."
Sorry, boss... it's the same damned number. I think reality just hit your ass in the face. Care to come again with numbers I know nothing about, because THEY DON'T EXIST?
You've been exposed as not knowing WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. Move along.
Look at those numbers from 2000 to 2004 and see that's without two wars and a recession. That's with the GOP running things. 4 to five point difference between the two administrations in their first term, yet Obama's administration had a lot more to deal with.
What's your issue? I don't see it.
Notice how in 2000 to 2004 they didn't report the u-6 numbers either. Odd, how that works for you, huh?
You're looking for something to get up in arms about, but you've also shown the GOP can't handle the issue any better by historical fact.
January 3, 2007 was the day that Democrats took control of both houses of Congress. Let's take a factual look at what they inherited.
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The unemployment rate was 4.6%
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The economy had just set a record of 52 straight months of job creation
26 million Americans were on food stamps
47 banks were on the FDIC problem list
The Social Security program took in the neighborhood of 100 billion more than it paid out
The national debt was approaching 9 trillion dollars
Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee
Obama became a Senator from Illinois
Bush was on record requesting restraint on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae 17 times
Since then, it was Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae that dumped trillions of dollars of toxic assets on taxpayers. It was Obama who got the third highest pay-out from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It was the Democratic Congress that defended them along the way.
So sin...
January 3, 2007 was the day that Democrats took control of both houses of Congress. Let's take a factual look at what they inherited.
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The unemployment rate was 4.6%
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The economy had just set a record of 52 straight months of job creation
26 million Americans were on food stamps
47 banks were on the FDIC problem list
The Social Security program took in the neighborhood of 100 billion more than it paid out
The national debt was approaching 9 trillion dollars
Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee
Obama became a Senator from Illinois
Bush was on record requesting restraint on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae 17 times
Since then, it was Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae that dumped trillions of dollars of toxic assets on taxpayers. It was Obama who got the third highest pay-out from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It was the Democratic Congress that defended them along the way.
So since it was the Democrats that were really driving the car, I think they get the DUI even though they insisted Bush was driving. I think the evidence speaks for itself.
WE ALL KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY!
You see, when you have those numbers in the books, you can see what BUSH inherited and what he ended up with... and you can see the implementation legislated in those first four years erupt in the next four. It was going downhill since Bush got in office.
The numbers show just that. Bush inherited the lowest unemployment rate in 3 decades and a surplus of cash. You CAN blame the Democrats FOR THAT.
Have fun. Your world isn't based in reality, but you've gone straight to GOP talking points like they're gospel. They aren't anything but spin.
Bush tax cuts:
Tax rates were lowered across-the-board in mid-2003 within 3 months the effect kicked in to jump-start the economy
• Over the next four and a half years, 8.2 million jobs were created
• Jobs rose for fifty-four consecutive months – that’s 4-1/2 years of job growth.
• Non-farm payrolls rose from 130 million to 138.2 million – y...
Bush tax cuts:
Tax rates were lowered across-the-board in mid-2003 within 3 months the effect kicked in to jump-start the economy
• Over the next four and a half years, 8.2 million jobs were created
• Jobs rose for fifty-four consecutive months – that’s 4-1/2 years of job growth.
• Non-farm payrolls rose from 130 million to 138.2 million – yep, 8.2 million new jobs.
• Government took in more revenue. As a share of GDP, revenues rose from 16.2 % to 18.5 %. In 2003 receipts were $1.78 trillion, and in 2009 they had grown to $2.7 trillion. The tax cuts raised annual revenue to the treasury drastically. The tax cuts worked after “inheriting” a bubble, a loss of $5 trillion in the economy, a recession and 9/11, the tax cuts facilitated job growth for 4-1/2 years straight and huge increases in government revenue. The highest budget deficit in Bush’s 8 years was about 25% of revenue . . . Obama’s lowest is about 50%.
Bush, in 8 years, years lost 646 thousand private sector jobs. He only created 1 million and a half jobs in his first four years.
In the first 13 months of Obama's presidency the private sector lost 4.212 million jobs. Since then in 27 months the private sector has added back 4.247 million jobs. That 35,000 jobs represents a milestone in this recovery.
Sorry, but that's the facts.
So, now your argument is to "look at what was projected?"
Ummm... yeah. Two percentage points off is something one might expect from ANY projection. This is ending up being LESS than two percentage points off.
Is that the best the conservative media could give you? I gave you the facts on jobs produced. We have more jobs in the private sector NOW than when OBAMA took office.
He lowered the unemployment rate to within a percentage point of what it was WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE even though he had a REAL RECESSION to deal with. He's shown he can handle that AND end some wars. Who else could handle all of that at once and still be regarded with such vitriol as you obviously have?
He's saved the automotive industry and killed Osama Bin Laden. Romney's got no chance.
So, Obama took a TWO PERCENT HIT IN FOUR YEARS, yet produced a surplus of jobs in the private sector. And, you're upset about this? I'm sure that's something the administration couldn't fix in four more years, considering they've rebounded the country from the recession and gotten us out of one war already.
It helps to put this all in perspective and thanks for the graph.
This report is likely to renew calls for more stimulus spending. This would do nothing to boost the private sector; it would only stimulate the size of the government.
You say that as the government has only gotten smaller under the Obama administration.
You say that with nothing more than conjecture on your side.
In a typical month, millions of Americans switch jobs or find work, and millions quit their jobs or are let go. The net of these millions is the change in total employment, usually a few hundred thousand jobs, while the ratio of those who are involuntarily unemployed to the total workforce provides the unemployment rate, typically around 5 percent at full employment. This remarkably dynamic process of job creation and destruction, hiring and layoffs, reflects the great labor mobility that is one of the abiding strengths of the American economy and allows the unemployment rate to dip so low.
During the 2008–2009 recession, the unemployment rate nearly doubled from its norm of about 5 percent to 9.8 percent, and it remains around 9 percent heading into 2012. Layoffs increased during this recession as one would expect, but they were not the primary cause of the nearly 10 percent unemployment rate. In fact, layoffs have been surprisingly mild, especially given the depth of the recession. In the 2000–2001 recession, for example, employers shed 2.6 million more jobs six quarters after the recession began.
The main factor driving the unemployment rate so high during the past recession and slow recovery was and continues to be the sharp drop in hiring. First the cred...
In a typical month, millions of Americans switch jobs or find work, and millions quit their jobs or are let go. The net of these millions is the change in total employment, usually a few hundred thousand jobs, while the ratio of those who are involuntarily unemployed to the total workforce provides the unemployment rate, typically around 5 percent at full employment. This remarkably dynamic process of job creation and destruction, hiring and layoffs, reflects the great labor mobility that is one of the abiding strengths of the American economy and allows the unemployment rate to dip so low.
During the 2008–2009 recession, the unemployment rate nearly doubled from its norm of about 5 percent to 9.8 percent, and it remains around 9 percent heading into 2012. Layoffs increased during this recession as one would expect, but they were not the primary cause of the nearly 10 percent unemployment rate. In fact, layoffs have been surprisingly mild, especially given the depth of the recession. In the 2000–2001 recession, for example, employers shed 2.6 million more jobs six quarters after the recession began.
The main factor driving the unemployment rate so high during the past recession and slow recovery was and continues to be the sharp drop in hiring. First the credit crunch and the collapse of the housing bubble dampened job creation, and then a procession of harmful economic policies so dampened business confidence and elevated uncertainty that the economy became and remains far less hospitable to growth-inducing, job-creating entrepreneurial activity.
The basic strengths of the American economy remain undiminished and undamaged by recent events. What is lacking is not smarter nostrums from Washington, but a chance to breathe, a little clarity, a respite from the flurry of petty policies targeting the latest politicized shortcoming. The vital missing ingredient in our economy is confidence; the essential debilitation is an excess of uncertainty. Many of President Barack Obama’s policies sap confidence while heightening uncertainty.
The simplest examples of such misguided policies are President Obama’s failed fiscal stimulus and many other efforts to boost federal spending to “create demand” in the economy. More deficit spending cannot boost the economy or reduce unemployment, because deficit spending means more borrowing, which means less money in the private sector to spend. If that were all, at least fiscal stimulus would not weaken the economy, but as federal deficits have soared, uncertainty about the future of the economy has also grown.
This extra, government-spawned uncertainty discourages businesses from making the kinds of investments today that can produce a stronger economy tomorrow. The key to adopting true pro-growth federal policies that can lead to strong job growth is to reorient the government toward a policy of “do less harm.”
That man's death was retribution for 2984 souls who didn't deserve to perish the way they did. In all fairness I believe Bin Laden's whole family should have been executed in order to prevent his offspring from revenge in the next decade when they come of age.
His children watched their father and one of their mothers die... THAT promotes revenge. WE should have finished the job properly with a proper execution. But all of you politically correct a-holes would be up in arms over the lack of compassion. Kind of like he displayed to us?
"Sacrifice a few to save many." that is the name of the game these days
Once those planes hit we were already at war. With a society that has been fighting for centuries. This war is not over... It will never be over as long as we allow governments to rule over the masses. At this point in human history we don't need a Politician to run... We need a General. We are ignorant to think otherwise!
Obama was not the reason that man was executed...He was just the one to take the opportunity to take advantage of the moment... He is still a coward
Yes, he took the initiative and DID THE JOB. Without his say, those Seals wouldn't do anything but sit there and breathe.
The President is Commander in Chief, is he not? He has the ONLY authority to make such a call.
Killing isn't hard. Living with the effects on your psyche is difficult.
I watched people get killed in front of me when I was about 10. I know all about what it is to see someone dead up close and personal. I legally can't kill anyone, but if I needed to protect myself, I know I could.
I'm not the average guy on that issue. I had to step over dead bodies on my way to school. Cops didn't come around my neck of the woods when i was growing up.