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DO YOU THINK OBAMA WILL TIE JIMMY CARTERS RECORD,OR BREAK HIS RECORD,AS THE WORSE PRESIDENT IN HISTORY?

BILL 2012/06/17 17:30:50
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  • OPOA912 2012/06/18 00:09:18
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    OPOA912
    +12
    I was in the Military when Carter was in the White House, and I can tell you that this is much worse. OZbama is so far over his head and out of his league. obama is stupid

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  • Chanch tblackb 2012/06/17 23:11:27
    Chanch
    BS. You are stupid to believe that. WMDs had nothing to do with it. But if you want to go there, war was approved by an extreme majority of congress including Hillary and Kennedy. After the fact, they tried to bow out as a typical liberal Dummercrap and blame someone else.
    As far as American citizens doing something about it, they are as misguided and blind as you are. Do some research and you will find out that many people,not ONLY Americans are martyred there way too often. It was the ignorant people as you that allowed 9-11 to happen. You have your head in the sand. Wake up. I have seen first hand what the Iraqi gov't did. I really don't care whether you believe it or not ! Ignorance is bliss. You are living proof of that.
  • tblackb Chanch 2012/06/17 23:35:59
    tblackb
    WHAT? Why was Bush, Powell, Chaney, Rice and others all over the news with the charts and graphs displaying where the fixed and mobile sites were believed to be located? You and I both know Bush later admitted that there were no WMD's? He tried to blame it on bad intelligence; yeah his own! Wasn't Bush on vacation for the 1st six months of his Presidency and ignored briefing that an attach on this country using planes was imminent? You seem to think your an expert because you were there. I didn't have to be there to know what I saw on the new and read in the papers. I didn't say Americans were not being martyred in Iraqi. Bush would have gotten more support for that instead of prevaricating about WMD's. We don't need to necessarily concerned with people from other countries. We think we are the world's police but we are not. By your logic Saudi Arabia has the right to invade the US because of detaining their citizens for years without evidence of a crime being committed or being water boarded.
  • Chanch tblackb 2012/06/17 23:47:39
    Chanch
    BS. I work at Sitcom and centcom. I know the truth. There were many mistakes made for sure. But the dems voted just like the rest of the congress. Hillary admitted to only reading the first 4 pages of a 2400 page report. Kennedy read only 2 pages. Even Al Gore says he read "LESS THAN 10 pages" There is plenty of blame to go round. The people we are holding are terrorist or at least sympathizers. They are not civilians like Iraq was killing. And yes we have to do something if nobody else will. Iraq had to be controlled. And if Saudi thought we are in the wrong we wouldn't be the allies that we are. Were the WMDs there. Yes ! But we don't have the military personnel to do anything about it. Because Clinton cut our military by 40% we can't be evrywhere at once. It was better to ignore it for a while until we could address the issue. Syria knows that we know they have WMDs, too. That is where they were moved. We know that now.
  • tblackb Chanch 2012/06/17 23:53:42
    tblackb
    you were there and i was here. i saw the tactics the Bush administration tried to use in order to sell the war to the American people. I saw the Senate hearings on the supposed intelligence blunders. we do have something in this country called cspan
  • Chanch tblackb 2012/06/17 23:59:50
    Chanch
    I was closer to it than you were. I KNOW what took place ! CSPAN ? Are you kidding ? You saw what the liberal media wanted you to see. As I said, it was covert effort. Still is to a degree. But , believe what you will. I assure you that you are mistaken about the facts. Most of America is.
  • tblackb Chanch 2012/06/18 02:17:19
    tblackb
    what's liberal media? cspan is a live feed w/out commentary. you can't skew what happens on live. I'm sure Bush has a 25% approval rating because because Americans lack facts. You are right he a much better President portrayed by the liberal media.
  • Chanch tblackb 2012/06/18 02:19:12
    Chanch
    You can lie with a camera by showing ONLY what you want to show to prove your way of thinking. Simple !
  • tblackb Chanch 2012/06/18 02:23:12
    tblackb
    we are talking about span, really that's your explanation. the liberal media did that to make Bush look bad....ok
  • BILL tblackb 2012/06/17 23:37:34
    BILL
    now we have a hussein for president
  • Kiosk Kid tblackb 2012/06/17 20:05:03
    Kiosk Kid
    +1
    Let's try facts from Obama.

    Bush brought in 2.523 trillion dollars of revenue in 2008. The recession started in Dec 2007. Now look what Obama’s policies did to revenues for 2009, 2010, and 2011. In 3 years Obama hasn’t been able to produce the revenues that George Bush brought in 2008.

    Year / Revenues (in Trillions)
    2008 2.523
    2009 2.104
    2010 2.162
    2011 2.303
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb...
    Table 1.1

    Marxism doesn't work!
  • tblackb Kiosk Kid 2012/06/17 22:27:01
    tblackb
    revenue is a different issue. what about debt. the deficit during the Obama administration has been increasing at the lowest historical rate in 80 years - 1.3% per year. The debt increases because of a number of factors other than spending, chief among them low revenue which came from the lose of job which came from the fallacy of trickle down economics which republicans prefer. This is what the moronic Bush tax cuts have gotten us: massive national debt.
  • Kiosk Kid tblackb 2012/06/17 23:01:35 (edited)
    Kiosk Kid
    +1
    Let's try facts again.

    George Bush cut taxes in 2003 which became effective 1 Jan 2004. His tax cuts increased revenues 700 billion dollars. Of course, the recession started in Dec 2007, so 2008 revenue where down slightly.

    When Obama took over, revenues fell through the floor, spending and public debt increased dramatically.

    Year /Revenues / Outlays / Deficit or Surplus
    2003 1,782,314 /2,159,899 /-377,585
    2004 1,880,114 /2,292,841 /-412,727
    2005 2,153,611 /2,471,957 /-318,346
    2006 2,406,869 /2,655,050 /-248,181
    2007 2,567,985 /2,728,686 /-160,701
    2008 2,523,991 /2,982,544 /-458,553
    2009 2,104,989 /3,517,677 /-1,412,688
    2010 2,162,724 /3,456,213 /-1,293,489
    2011 2,3203,700 /3,603,0601 /-1,299,595

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb...
    Table 1.1

    Obama buys votes with welfare programs and special priveleges; it doesn't matter what the cost are to jobs.
  • tblackb Kiosk Kid 2012/06/17 23:16:39 (edited)
    tblackb
    Yes, they did because of the job loss! the job loss came from Bush administration policies. Yes, he had to do deficit spending to revive the economy, compare what President Hoover did opposed to President Roosevelt did during the Great Depression. He inherited the worse economic recession since the 1930's. What else was he supposed to do? Additionally, why are you focused on revenue? you can have generate $2 billion in revenue and spend $4 and still run a deficit which is similar to what actually happened...didn't President Bush inherit a surplus?

    Hasn't the country seen a gain in jobs under the Obama administration?
  • Kiosk Kid tblackb 2012/06/17 23:32:03
    Kiosk Kid
    +1
    When Pelosi and Reid took control of Congress in Jan 2007, the unemployment rate was 4.6 percent. By Dec 2007, we were in a recession. The unemployment rate was below 5 percent since June 2005. George Bush had an average 5.3 percent unemployment rate over his 8 years as president.
    http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/s...
    Table 1.1

    No, their are less job today in America then when Obama became president or when Reagan became president. Let try facts.

    "• The proportion of the civilian working-age population actually working, at 58%, is the smallest since the Carter era (Labor Department).

    • Growth in nonfarm payroll jobs since the recovery began in June 2009 is the slowest of any comparable recovery since World War II (Hoover Institution).

    • The rate of new business startups — the engine of job growth — has plunged to an all-time low of 7.87% of all businesses (Census Bureau).

    • 3 in 10 young adults can't find jobs and live with their parents, highest since the 1950s (Pew Research)."

    http://news.investors.com/art...

    Marxism doesn't work!
  • tblackb Kiosk Kid 2012/06/17 23:49:08 (edited)
    tblackb
    What does Pelosi and Read have to do with President Obama? Jobs have been leaving this country since the cotton mills, steel plants, and manufacturing began to decline during the Reagan years. In all the data you looking up and posting you seem to miss one key stat. Unemployment is 3% for those Americans that are college educated (Bachelor degree or higher). Yet, your boy Romney wants to get rid of the DOE, cut education and is in favor of increasing student loan debt

    Our corporation decided to produce cheaper and increase profits by closing our factories and going to China etc. CEO's are receiving $20 million in annual compensation. How many workers who were the base of our middle class were without a job. Unions were decimated (which I believe was their main intent). All this despite the 10% tax cut by Bush which were supposed to create jobs and you want to blame this on President Obama?

    In all the data you looking up and posting you seem to miss one key stat. Unemployment is 3% for those Americans that are college educated (Bachelor degree or higher). There are more than 2 million job openings in this country today because people lack the skills to fill them and of course that's President Obama's fault as well, right?

    Yet, your boy Romney wants to get rid of the DOE, cut educ...

    What does Pelosi and Read have to do with President Obama? Jobs have been leaving this country since the cotton mills, steel plants, and manufacturing began to decline during the Reagan years. In all the data you looking up and posting you seem to miss one key stat. Unemployment is 3% for those Americans that are college educated (Bachelor degree or higher). Yet, your boy Romney wants to get rid of the DOE, cut education and is in favor of increasing student loan debt

    Our corporation decided to produce cheaper and increase profits by closing our factories and going to China etc. CEO's are receiving $20 million in annual compensation. How many workers who were the base of our middle class were without a job. Unions were decimated (which I believe was their main intent). All this despite the 10% tax cut by Bush which were supposed to create jobs and you want to blame this on President Obama?

    In all the data you looking up and posting you seem to miss one key stat. Unemployment is 3% for those Americans that are college educated (Bachelor degree or higher). There are more than 2 million job openings in this country today because people lack the skills to fill them and of course that's President Obama's fault as well, right?

    Yet, your boy Romney wants to get rid of the DOE, cut education and is in favor of increasing student loan debt. Now he say I can fix the economy; I'm the job creator. By his own words talking about equity "investment": win some, lose some. That is exactly what gamblers say. He calls himself a business man, he is a money man gives a little and then takes a lot. How many others could accumulate 25 MILLION DOLLARS. A real business man works his derriere off to make a living. How dirty are Romney's nails?

    Instead of saying Marxism doesn't work you should be saying Trickle Down Economics doesn't work. It didn't work during the Reagan or Bush years and people think it will somehow magically work now. If the republicans eliminate the middle class, who is going to be left to by goods and services the wealthily produce?
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  • Kiosk Kid tblackb 2012/06/18 14:20:53
    Kiosk Kid
    You said; “Unemployment is 3% for those Americans that are college educated (Bachelor degree or higher).” You need to produce facts to back up your accusations. Let me slam you with facts!

    •”54% of bachelor's degree-holders under the age of 25 are jobless or underemployed, the highest share in decades (Northeastern University).”

    http://news.investors.com/art...

    What did Pelosi and Reid have to do with it? They controlled congress or do you think Congress is not import? In 2007, Obama was a Senator just like Reid.

    The fact is that the unemployment rate was 4.6 percent when Pelosi and Reid to over congress and today it is 8.2 percent. Capital and jobs flee Marxism!
  • tblackb Kiosk Kid 2012/06/18 20:42:49 (edited)
    tblackb
    was me that's the way it pasted in here

    http://web.mit.edu/simsong/ww...
  • Kiosk Kid tblackb 2012/06/19 11:53:30
    Kiosk Kid
    I can't, you messed up the reference.
  • Chanch tblackb 2012/06/17 22:13:03
    Chanch
    +1
    What flavor kool aid do you prefer?
  • dubbie 2012/06/17 19:17:10
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    dubbie
    +6
    WILL ? He passed that opening night
  • Kronan_1 2012/06/17 18:50:35
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    Kronan_1
    +5
    I thought he had already done that. Shows what I know.
  • freebirdie 2012/06/17 18:38:13
  • Gordon 2012/06/17 18:38:07
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    Gordon
    +4
    Obama is our first commie president with a lavishly spending wife. You can tell exactly how much people care about poor people when they live lavishly while using other people's money to help the poor. Jerks!
  • Kaleoku... Gordon 2012/06/17 19:58:56
    Kaleokualoha
    "First commie president"? My, what an ACTIVE imagination! Do you know anything about economics? Perhaps some education is in order.

    Just as Chicken Little started a "sky is falling" hysteria based on a falling acorn, so too are various critics pushing a "socialist" or "Marxist" Obama hysteria based on Obama's economic policies. Not only do they conveniently forget that the 2008 bailout was initiated by the Bush administration, but they also seem to have forgotten some basics from Econ 101. They could easily avoid such non sequitur nonsense by following the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.

    According to dictionary.com, socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. In Marxist theory, it is the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

    Please note that it is the stage FOLLOWING capitalism. Capitalism has many forms in a mixed economy, with public (collective) ownership of various enterprises based upon economic conditions. Limited public ownership does not comprise Marxist socialism, which requires c...

















    "First commie president"? My, what an ACTIVE imagination! Do you know anything about economics? Perhaps some education is in order.

    Just as Chicken Little started a "sky is falling" hysteria based on a falling acorn, so too are various critics pushing a "socialist" or "Marxist" Obama hysteria based on Obama's economic policies. Not only do they conveniently forget that the 2008 bailout was initiated by the Bush administration, but they also seem to have forgotten some basics from Econ 101. They could easily avoid such non sequitur nonsense by following the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.

    According to dictionary.com, socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. In Marxist theory, it is the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

    Please note that it is the stage FOLLOWING capitalism. Capitalism has many forms in a mixed economy, with public (collective) ownership of various enterprises based upon economic conditions. Limited public ownership does not comprise Marxist socialism, which requires complete public ownership. When controlled by a police state, however, limited public ownership may become fascism ("national socialism"), Marxist socialism, or even "perfect implementation of collectivist principles." Limited public ownership occurs at virtually every point on the mixed economy spectrum.

    Every advocate of greater government economic control might be called a "socialist," but none are true socialists unless they advocate the complete elimination of private enterprise, which requires the complete replacement of capitalism with collectivism. True (laissez-faire) capitalism means zero government control of private enterprise, which is economic anarchy. Neither of these extremes works in the long run. Every successful economy is a mixed economy, existing somewhere on a spectrum between both extremes. Every successful economy is part capitalist and part socialist. They all contain a mix of private and public ownership, and they all have some government control of private enterprise. The only relevant question is "WHERE on this spectrum can we achieve the greatest success?" The rise of Asian economies, with their varying degrees of centralized planning, proves that economic planning helps economic development.

    Both laissez faire capitalism and true communism are artificial constructs, as impossible to sustain as cold fusion. Every successful society requires private enterprise regulated by public policy, regardless of Ayn Rand's fantasies. Extremists on either fringe are equally delusional. In some ways regulation is a necessary evil like body fat: too much or too little are both lethal. The normal tendency is to add layers with age. The challenge is to find the level that will produce the optimum outcome, all things considered.

    Unless someone advocates the complete replacement of capitalism with collectivism, they do not truly advocate socialism or communism. To accuse them of either, when they have not explicitly advocated as much themselves, suggests either unfamiliarity with mixed economies or intellectual dishonesty. Even George W. Bush and John McCain were accused of advocating socialism based upon their support of 2008 bailout legislation.

    The bottom line is simple. If you consider any variation of a mixed economy, including ANY public ownership or regulation of industry to be "socialism," then the United States and ALL other economies are "socialist." The debate is over, because by that definition we have been "socialist" since the 18th century. If you only consider complete collectivism to be "socialism," according to Marxist theory, then no successful economy is actually "socialist." The closest to a Marxist socialist economy is the economic basket case, North Korea. If you consider socialism to occur at some other point on the spectrum between unregulated capitalism and Marxist socialism, then any such point would be arbitrary.

    To accuse a mixed economy advocate of being a socialist or communist suggests that you believe that ANY degree of government regulation qualifies as "socialism," or that you believe that any regulation beyond an indefinite "trigger point" qualifies as "socialism,", and that YOU get to set the trigger point. The "trigger point" explanation reminds me of the egocentric explorer who says that anyone who explores farther into dangerous territory is a fool, but anyone who doesn’t explore as far as he does is a coward. His arrogance presumes that his own boundaries are common standards.

    Marxist "socialism," in contrast to European "democratic socialism," requires collective ownership of the means of production in lieu of capitalism. That is the death of private enterprise. We may or may not be on a path to collectivism, just as a dating couple may or may not be on a path to pregnancy. Traveling on a path in any direction does not imply any specific goal. For example, traveling on Interstate 10 does not imply that either coast is the goal.

    "Direction" is one thing. "Goal" is another. All mixed economies exist at some point in the spectrum between the fatal terminuses of unregulated capitalism and true socialism. In most Marxist states, however, capitalism reappeared as people recognized the lethal consequences of such extremes. Russia, China and other communist nations now recognize the virtue of mixed economies. They learned the hard way.

    I await empirical evidence, instead of specious speculation, that Obama wants to eliminate capitalism by moving to that extreme. To say Obama advocates the goal of socialism, based upon his movement on the spectrum instead of being based on his explicit advocacy, is to create a straw man. It is intellectually dishonest and unworthy of serious debate.

    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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  • BILL Gordon 2012/06/17 23:36:39
    BILL
    +1
    yes she really cares about the poor,lol
  • The Duke 2012/06/17 18:33:52
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    The Duke
    +6
    I think he already has broken Carter's hold on the title of worst president ever.
  • Dogzebra 2012/06/17 18:32:29
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    Dogzebra
    +7
    Soetoro has surpassed the peanut farmer. Barry would love nothing more than to become our last POTUS and become our first King.

    king
  • Gordon Dogzebra 2012/06/17 18:40:30
    Gordon
    +3
    At least Louis XIV didn't pretend to be the people's man. Obama smells worse than bull poop.
  • krayzrick 2012/06/17 18:26:33
    BREAK CARTERS RECORD
    krayzrick
    +6
    He will be known as Americas big mistake.
  • Vijay Pawar 2012/06/17 18:19:27
    Undecided
    Vijay Pawar
    Me a lay man.
  • S and S 2012/06/17 18:17:42
    Undecided
    S and S
    +4
    I really don't feel carter was the worst president.. he just was over his head for the job. he, at least, had a birth certificate and didn't put laws in place to destroy the constitution.

    as for a person, he's actually a nice guy with a caring heart. I'd take him any day over today's terrorist.
  • sglmom 2012/06/17 18:16:22
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    sglmom
    +4
    I not only remember the Carter years ..
    but also the effects that had on the economy too ..
    this is FAR WORSE ..
    (and yes, that is a sad statement indeed .. )
    carter gas lines
  • Grounds... sglmom 2012/06/20 15:09:22
    Groundskeeper Willy
    +1
    the only difference is the fed keeping interest rates low. If interest rates were allow to regulate themselves, we'd see 30%-50% interest. I too remember getting gas on Tuesdays, Thursday and Saturday because of our home address.
  • sglmom Grounds... 2012/06/20 15:22:59
    sglmom
    Hmm ..
    that's not even working ..
    too many times lately I've been asked and shown ..
    the "Change in Terms"
    of the Credit Cards that were mailed to households ..
    where the interest rates are .. get this ..
    at the 25%-30% and higher now ..

    (so although the fed loans at a low rate to the banks .. obviously .. even with the consolidations and changes in partnering for the credit products .. the CONSUMER Rates are rising .. to rates not seen in the Carter years .. )
  • frank 2012/06/17 18:12:19
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    frank
    +7
    Without a doubt, he already is the worst president we have ever had. He is a divider not a uniter
  • DM Twin 2012/06/17 18:10:55
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    DM Twin
    +8
    He ALREADY surpassed Carter for the title of WORST MISTAKE IN AMERICAN POLITICAL HISTORY !!
  • mal 2012/06/17 18:08:50
    Undecided
    mal
    +5
    He has allready left carter in the dust.
  • jc 2012/06/17 18:07:33
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    jc
    +7
    Already has! obama the worst president ever in record time
  • Michaelene 2012/06/17 17:59:24
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    Michaelene
    +9
    I think he lready has it won, hands down. He is the worst POTUS ever!
  • BILL Michaelene 2012/06/17 18:01:26
    BILL
    +6
    agreed

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