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Do you think Muslims are unfairly treated in the work place?

MBSVirginia BN-2 2010/09/13 18:19:03
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Yes, they are targets of society.
No, they have brought it all on themselves.
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  • Diamond Girl 2010/09/14 14:45:38 (edited)
    No, they have brought it all on themselves.
    Diamond Girl
    +9
    Are you KIDDING!!!?? We are not allowed in this country to pray in our schools, keep a cross up in the desert for our fallen Heroes, put a manger seen anywhere in public because it might offend somebody. Yet, we need to bend over for the Muslims by putting foot baths in airports allowing them to whale all hours of the night to Allah and wear head dresses for their driver licenses even though it is against the law to do so. PLEASE, if there is any discrimination it is to the Christians in this country.

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  • les_gvt 2012/04/29 16:25:09 (edited)
    No, they have brought it all on themselves.
    les_gvt
    +1
    When seeking employment one needs to remember- you are at the service of the company,- NOT the company is there to bend to your wills and demands.

    When seeking employment, it is the applicants duty to ask if there are issues with taking time for prayers, handling pork, working on the Sabbath, etc.

    It also behooves a person to consider the place they are seeking employment, if Pagan or Muslim, why are you wanting to work at the Christian Bible store? or Big Catholic Hospital? if you are seeking to work there, you are agreeing to go by their tenants while at work.

    Same thing applies to a Baptist wanting to work at Wiccans are Us, do not expect to read your Bible at work.

    If your are Jewish or Muslim, perhaps it would b best if you not even apply at Sal's hog processing

    read your Bible while at work
  • . 2011/06/16 22:18:54
  • DreamwalkerJB 2011/01/31 04:32:29 (edited)
    Yes, they are targets of society.
    DreamwalkerJB
    +2
    Until 9/11 many (perhaps even most) white Anglo/Saxon protestant Americans of European descent did not think or speak very much about Islam and Muslims. Since 9/11 many (perhaps even most) American citizens have had something to say about Islam and Muslims.
    On that tragic day, I caught a ride to a school in Nevada with a Muslim acquaintance who taught a Human Relations in Business class and he was frightened that his family would suffer backlash due to the emotional impact the event would have on people who would condemn him and his family simply because they were Muslims. He had this fear because it had already happened to his family before, just after the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993. He was right, it did happen again.
    Many Muslims, just like many people of other faiths, come to this country for school and or employment; some stay. A historically famous Muslim came to this country for work in the mid 19th century, hired by the US Army Camel Corps as a lead camel driver. His name was Hajji Ali, but he is in the history books as Hi Jolly, which is what many Americans of the time called him.
    Muslims have been in America for many years, some for many generations. Then, because a few Muslims did some horrendous things and scared the crap out of many Americans, the m...


    Until 9/11 many (perhaps even most) white Anglo/Saxon protestant Americans of European descent did not think or speak very much about Islam and Muslims. Since 9/11 many (perhaps even most) American citizens have had something to say about Islam and Muslims.
    On that tragic day, I caught a ride to a school in Nevada with a Muslim acquaintance who taught a Human Relations in Business class and he was frightened that his family would suffer backlash due to the emotional impact the event would have on people who would condemn him and his family simply because they were Muslims. He had this fear because it had already happened to his family before, just after the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993. He was right, it did happen again.
    Many Muslims, just like many people of other faiths, come to this country for school and or employment; some stay. A historically famous Muslim came to this country for work in the mid 19th century, hired by the US Army Camel Corps as a lead camel driver. His name was Hajji Ali, but he is in the history books as Hi Jolly, which is what many Americans of the time called him.
    Muslims have been in America for many years, some for many generations. Then, because a few Muslims did some horrendous things and scared the crap out of many Americans, the media has kept the scary ones in our focus as often as they find out anything new that falls into the bad news category. Unfortunately, the good things done by decent people who also happen to be Muslim often goes unnoticed.
    I personally have gotten to know only about a dozen Muslims (maybe a few more if you count their family members that I have met but do not know as well). I like every one of them and I know that at least a third of them have been unfairly treated both at work and in the community in which they live.
    In this country today, there are Muslim actors, comedians, singers, musicians, scientists (including a Nobel Prize winner), sports figures, writers, lawyers, business executives, and more. Many of them are US citizens and just as American as I am. There have even been American Muslims who have given their lives in battle serving this country.
    Before we group all Muslims together as contemptible, perhaps we could meditate over the words onthe tombstone of Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan. group muslims contemptable meditate tombstone kareem rashad sultan khan A muslim and a US Army Corporal who died in Operation Iraqi Freedom.
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  • MBSVirg... Dreamwa... 2011/01/31 18:57:07
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    +2
    Thank you for your post. You are correct, the Muslim community has been lumped together in a broad group. It isn't any different than African-Americans, Jews, Catholics, or any other ethnic group that has different cultural views than White- Anglo Saxons. We are a nation of stereotypes. Not that it is correct or even acceptable, but it is a reality. We are not a country, even though we deny it, of open minded thinkers. It is not uncommon for the people to fear the unknown and, with our limited knowledge and negative experiences, form our opinions of others. My point is, we have all been the victims of racism and bigotry. Our country suffered its worst attack from Islamic extremists. We have been told that we are the enemy of Islam and they are committed to destroying the "infadels", those that are not Muslims. So, even in all of its ugliness, it is not surprising that Muslims are feared and treated unfairly. People are afraid for their lives, liberties, and basic way of life as we know it.
    Please understand that I am not condoning racism or bigotry, I have been accused of being a racist and a bigot. I am trying to provide an explanation as to why we behave the way we do.
    I am sure, among the headstones with Kareem Rashad, were Jews, Catholics, Buddahists, Hindus and many more soldiers of various religions, who died for America.
  • . MBSVirg... 2011/06/16 22:20:07
  • Marek 2011/01/29 19:14:03
    Yes, they are targets of society.
    Marek
    +2
    The "Yes" mark was an accident. I really mean that whatever hostility muslims receive in the workplace or anywhere else they deserve it. Muslims are loyal only to islam not America or any other country they have been allowed in. It does not mean a hill of rotten beans if the muslim was born here and has ancestors dating to 16th century. One can't be loyal to America and Islamic Caliphate at the same time.

  • MBSVirg... Marek 2011/01/29 19:51:17
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    +3
    I couldn't even watch this in its entirety, it is too disturbing! A religion of PEACE??? Like I said before, if they don't want to be here, no one is forcing them!! That doesn't mean they don't have the right, just appreciate the privilege and be thankful you aren't in Iran!
    Thank you for your post!!
  • gamman 2011/01/25 23:42:06
    Yes, they are targets of society.
    gamman
    +2
    The problem with the question posed is that i presumes an All or None answer. This kind of question requires an All, Most, Some, Few, and None categories.
    So, yes there are some muslims who are unfairly treated but not most or certainly not all.
  • VICTORIA gamman 2011/01/26 21:10:59
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Because it's purpose is to divide into us or them camps.
  • gamman VICTORIA 2011/01/26 22:14:35
    gamman
    +2
    i like camping, but not everyone does
    camping groucho
  • VICTORIA gamman 2011/01/26 22:43:21
    VICTORIA
    +1
    I've had my camping fun time. Now I want room service.

    ive camping fun room service  princess
  • VICTORIA 2011/01/25 23:16:58
    Yes, they are targets of society.
    VICTORIA
    +3
    Prayer takes about 8-9 minutes. And can be as little as 5. The American workers is allowed 2 -15 minute breaks a day. Only 1 prayers occur during work time. , and 2 if they work after 5.

    I've been discriminated against many time for my appearance.
    And fired for being Muslim, point blank.
    I have not been treated fairly at all.
  • gamman VICTORIA 2011/01/25 23:23:14
    gamman
    +1
    sorry to hear that :(
  • VICTORIA gamman 2011/01/25 23:31:41
    VICTORIA
    Oh, hello and peace Gamman, don't worry- everything happens for a reason.
    I'm sitting here with my kitties playing on the computer watching ym HDTV- nice and cozy in my microfiber jammies on a cold day- I cannot complain. :)
  • gamman VICTORIA 2011/01/25 23:40:29
    gamman
    +1
    i agree that everything happens for a reason. people are always looking for a scapegoat, a villain, rather than looking inward. if islam was really a 'violent' religion then with 1.6 billion people, it would be easy to take over the world. muslims are not a homogenous group
  • VICTORIA gamman 2011/01/25 23:44:08
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Ah, it's our shared human nature. We needed a villain to justify our oil stealing war.
  • MBSVirg... VICTORIA 2011/01/26 22:51:06
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    See, you are anti-America and yet you live here and now that you are unemployed, you probably collect unemployment compensation. You can't have it all.
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 22:58:13
    VICTORIA
    You're darned right I live here. Why shouldn't I?
    My family's been here since the mid 1600s.
    WHere elose would I be?

    I don't get unemployment- and actually only got it once for about 2months in my 20s. I kept walking across the street to the office to return my checks, and I also was bugging them to clean the office. I hated the idea of getting a check- so I watered their plants because they couldn't let me do anything else for insurance reasons.

    And they wouldn't take those checks back either.

    Why don't you tell me about your family, your history, your right that supercedes my own?

    Well then, don't try to cover up your obvious prejudices against Muslims by attacking me.

    "... when it comes to Muslims, I could vomit. F*** them and their culture. If you don't like the rules and laws that govern our country then get the F*** out!"

    ." I certainly hold the same fears as you, I just don't see how we could keep our borders closed to Muslims. I certainly don't want them here either!"
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 23:18:08
    VICTORIA
    I'm still waiting to hear how you've served your country.
  • MBSVirg... VICTORIA 2011/01/26 23:19:44
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    I have posted my reply. Perhaps you haven't seen it.
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 23:32:19
    VICTORIA
    It contained nothing about your service to America.
    I don't ride on the coat tails of others for anything in my life.

    I earn my own way.

    Next time before you start attacking total strangers on the internet because they're Muslim, or black, or Jewish, or whatever stupid bigoted excuse you may have-

    with nonsense like this- " you are anti-America and...you are unemployed, you probably collect unemployment compensation."

    maybe you'll think. Because whatever you're throwing out there can be thrown right back at you-

    And you don't seem to be doing so well.
  • MBSVirg... VICTORIA 2011/01/26 23:36:57
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    Well, actually, I'm doing fine. And you still haven't supported your statement of service to our country. You stated that your family was proud of your service. I asked what service you have given.
    I am very successful in my business, I have been self-employed for 30 years and my family is very tight. I am doing well, you have no job.
    So, sit in your "microfiber jammies" eat bon-bons on your unemployment compensation and enjoy your life.
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 23:46:22
    VICTORIA
    And you really believe I have to answer to you?
    I don;'t get unemployment- I work, and I've served.

    The rest is none of your bigoted judgmental business.

    I can't make you appear arrogant, or judgmental, or bigoted.

    You;ve done that yourself, to yourself.

    But I will call it when I see it, and I see it.

    I'm through with this catty show.
  • MBSVirg... VICTORIA 2011/01/25 23:30:42
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    I am sorry for that. I do not agree with firing someone for their religious practices.
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/25 23:44:53
    VICTORIA
    Then why post that Muslims have no place in our country?
  • MBSVirg... VICTORIA 2011/01/26 20:38:33
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    I certainly DID NOT post that Muslims have no place in our country. Where did you decipher that from? I asked the question, " do you feel Muslims are unfairly treated in the workplace". No where did I say anything about Muslims having no place in the US.
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 20:58:03
    VICTORIA
    +1
    On this question.

    " " You are SO right! What the hell is next? I am so sick of the PC in this country when it comes to Muslims, I could vomit. F*** them and their culture. If you don't like the rules and laws that govern our country then get the F*** out! (Pardon my french, I get very excited when I think about this)"

    and here-
    reply
    MBSVirg... to nightlight Sep. 16
    Add
    "How would you screen immigrants? Anyone with a passport from a Muslim country? How about French passports? It would be impossible to stop Muslims from being in our country. I certainly hold the same fears as you, I just don't see how we could keep our borders closed to Muslims. I certainly don't want them here either!"
  • MBSVirg... VICTORIA 2011/01/26 22:48:36
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    +1
    I see, and I stand by those sentiments. On the first statement, I am adamant about a free working system when the employees follow the same rules, workplace wide! Noone should get special treatment, regardless of race or religion. By the same token, if an employer is willing to hire you, knowing your special religious needs, then he/she has no defense when they fire you. That is unless you were not performing the duties for which you were hired.
    On the second statement, replying to another post, the gentleman said to close our borders and allow NO muslims into our country. I do not want Muslims here, I do not know why Muslims want to be here when they are anti-American, but you still have the right to be here and we can't keep you out.
    So, I hope I have addressed the issue you have brought up, and I have been honest about my opinions.
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 23:00:56
    VICTORIA
    You can stand by your words all you want. But they express an ugliness that is unmistakably bigoted.

    "... when it comes to Muslims, I could vomit. F*** them and their culture. If you don't like the rules and laws that govern our country then get the F*** out!"

    ." I certainly hold the same fears as you, I just don't see how we could keep our borders closed to Muslims. I certainly don't want them here either!"

    Yes, you've been honest about it- but that doesn;t make it good.

    SO when did your family arrive on our shores?

    And by what supreme arrogance do you presume to have any opinion on where I live?
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 21:01:26
    VICTORIA
    You most certainly DID. But besides that- you argue that Muslims are not biased against., yet link an article that says they are.

    I'm guessing noone read it. But I have more current stats.

    Claims of bias against Muslims in the workplace rose to 1,490 last year from 1,304 in 2008 and just 697 in 2004, according to EEOC figures. Last year's total was even higher than in the year after the 9/11 attacks, when bias claims hit 1,463. Figures from this year are not yet available.


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  • MBSVirg... VICTORIA 2011/01/26 23:00:59
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    I do not doubt your claims, I am sure that the bias is continually growing. The article that I posted was for information and an example of where bias was confronted and documented. Do you understand how many Americans, like me, feel when we must walk on eggshells so we don't hurt the muslims' feelings, out of fear of retaliation? I know that is paranoid but it is a real feeling and I am not alone in that arena. Everything we do must be out of political correctness so we don't hurt your feelings. I, for one, hate that! Imagine what the African-American population went through and still deals with, yet you(Muslims) cry foul over cartoons. All I'm saying is, if you want equal treatment then don't ask for special favors.
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 23:07:04
    VICTORIA
    DO you know how many Americans, like me- are sickened by the overt bigotry that people spout in the name of America?

    " we must walk on eggshells so we don't hurt the muslims' feelings, out of fear of retaliation?"

    Really? Yes, I can see your consideration and fear reflected n your comments-

    " "... when it comes to Muslims, I could vomit. F*** them and their culture."

    I, for one, hate the ugly bigotry people advocate.

    My family served in every war, and helped create this republic you enjoy.

    If you don't like Americans like me- that's on you.
    I'm not going anywhere, ever.
  • MBSVirg... VICTORIA 2011/01/26 23:08:38
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    That's fine, you have every right to be here thanks to your ancestors. Bet they weren't Muslims.
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 23:15:36
    VICTORIA
    Yeah, thanks. I'm glad YOU think I have a right to be here.

    I'm an American citizen, born and bred, and ALL of my loyalty is to America.
    \ Not Egypt,. not Indonesia, not Ireland, not Israel.

    Can you say the same?

    How have you served your country?
  • MBSVirg... VICTORIA 2011/01/26 23:18:51
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    I am an American as well. Born and bred. ALL of my loyalty is here, my father was WWII veteran, my son served 6 years in the Navy on an aircraft carrier, my nephew has served 3 tours in Afghanistan. So, yes, I can say the same.
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 23:24:15
    VICTORIA
    I didn't ask about your relatives, I asked about you.
    SO NO , you CANNOT say the same.
    ANd yet you feel completely comfortable in demanding that I leave MY country to accommodated your bigotry!

    That's not MY America. It's not even yours either.
    It's a blip in time, and one that our grandchildren will be ashamed of in 20- 30 years.

    SO, next time you want to scream Anti-American at someone, or attack an entire group of people whom you have likely not ever even met, nor conversed with even ONE of that group.

    Think to yourself, is this language something I want my grandchildren to see, and learn?
  • MBSVirg... VICTORIA 2011/01/26 23:27:56
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    You never said you served our country either. In what capacity did you serve? I believe that, by sending my son off to war was quite the sacrifice. Thankfully he is safe but many families have lost their only son.
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 23:41:15
    VICTORIA
    Well I'm saying it now sunshine.
    And if you want to make racist comments to me- do it here-
    Don't go running to other blogs to show your true face.


    "My perception may be clouded but I still don't believe anything a terrorist regime says."

    SO, don't throw stones- they might get thrown back at you.
  • MBSVirg... VICTORIA 2011/01/26 23:45:41
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    Look, you replied to a comment I made at another post so I replied back. If you want to end the conversation, great. Just don't reply to me and I won't reply in turn, Pretty simple, sunshine!
  • VICTORIA MBSVirg... 2011/01/26 23:47:52
    VICTORIA
    Looks like the stone thrown back at you has knocked you down.
    Good, we don't need bigots.
    I'm not buying it.

    And for every racist and bigoted thing you say- I'll be there to provide human balance.

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