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Do you think if a person commits a sexual offense before they are 18, then spends many years afterward in treatment and therapy that they are likely to offend again? should they have to register?

Ruadon 2012/07/01 22:17:12
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http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/28/recidivism-rates-for-se...

"We found this report released a few years ago by the Department of Justice. It is a study based on convicted sex offenders who were released from prison in 1994.

Here are some of the findings from the study:

- Within 3 years following their 1994 state prison release, 5.3 percent of sex offenders (men who had committed rape or sexual assault) were rearrested for another sex crime, the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced today. If all crimes are included, 43 percent of sex offenders were rearrested for various offenses.

- Sex offenders were less likely than non-sex offenders to be rearrested for any offense –– 43 percent of sex offenders versus 68 percent of non-sex offenders. But sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison –– 5.3 percent of sex offenders versus 1.3 percent of non-sex offenders."

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  • Stacie 2012/07/02 00:25:41
    Stacie
    All Americans that have committed sexual offenses should be required to register as a sexual offender.

    The possible consequences of registering not being mandatory are much too dire to allow them to have even the slightest chance of occurring.
  • Ruadon Stacie 2012/07/02 02:48:51
    Ruadon
    as I stated to another responder, the odds of a person convicted of a sex offense re offending are actually less than another convicted person, I believe because it is required for Sex offenders to receive treatment while inside.
  • Stacie Ruadon 2012/07/02 18:00:01 (edited)
    Stacie
    I do not care what the odds are.

    It is not worth the risk even if it just one person is murdered.


    Christopher Michael Barrios - Brutally tortured, raped and murdered by two previously convicted sexual offenders - David and George Edenfield - who were Father and Son.

    http://christopher-barrios.la...
    Christopher Michael Barrios



    David Edenfieldx


    George Edenfield

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    Anthony Sowell - convicted sexual offender who raped, strangled and murdered at least six women and buried them in his backyard.

    Tishana Culver, a 31-year-old beautician with drug convictions, lived just a few blocks from Sowell's Imperial Avenue home. Crystal Dozier had once lived on Sowell's block. No one reported her missing when she disappeared in 2007. Janice Webb, who often visited the neighborhood, was a 48-year-old mother of one and grandmother of three. She was last seen by her family in June and reported missing two months later.

    Amelda Hunter, 47, of Cleveland, was known to have beers at Sowell's house, according to her brother. Family members say she loved to read, watch television and do crossword puzzles and had three children. She disappeared last April, but wasn't reported missing until Nov. 3.

    Tonia Carmichael, 52, of Warrensville Heights, was last seen nearly a year ...



























    I do not care what the odds are.

    It is not worth the risk even if it just one person is murdered.

    Christopher Michael Barrios
    Christopher Michael Barrios - Brutally tortured, raped and murdered by two previously convicted sexual offenders - David and George Edenfield - who were Father and Son.

    http://christopher-barrios.la...
    Christopher Michael Barrios


    David Edenfield
    David Edenfieldx

    George Edenfield
    George Edenfield

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    Anthony Sowell
    Anthony Sowell - convicted sexual offender who raped, strangled and murdered at least six women and buried them in his backyard.

    Tishana Culver, a 31-year-old beautician with drug convictions, lived just a few blocks from Sowell's Imperial Avenue home. Crystal Dozier had once lived on Sowell's block. No one reported her missing when she disappeared in 2007. Janice Webb, who often visited the neighborhood, was a 48-year-old mother of one and grandmother of three. She was last seen by her family in June and reported missing two months later.

    Amelda Hunter, 47, of Cleveland, was known to have beers at Sowell's house, according to her brother. Family members say she loved to read, watch television and do crossword puzzles and had three children. She disappeared last April, but wasn't reported missing until Nov. 3.

    Tonia Carmichael, 52, of Warrensville Heights, was last seen nearly a year ago after telling a friend she was going out for some fun. Carmichael's family said police didn't pursue her disappearance because of her history of crack cocaine use.

    Telacia Fortson, 31, of East Cleveland, is a mother of three who disappeared in June. She loved to arrange flowers and attending church, but also had a drug problem and lost custody of her three children.

    Nancy Cobbs, 43, of Cleveland, disappeared in April around the time of her birthday, but wasn't reported missing until June and Cleveland police didn't know about her until November. She had four children and was living with a daughter about three blocks from Sowell's house. She was a familiar face in the area, and struggled with drug abuse.

    Michelle Mason, 45, of Cleveland, lived near Sowell's neighborhood. Her family went to police Oct. 12, 2008, after not hearing from her for a few days. Her sister says police didn't take it seriously because of Mason's arrest record, even though she had stopped cashing her Social Security checks. Police say they conducted dozens of searches for Mason, including near her home and at hospitals.

    Police recently identified the tenth victim as 25-year-old Leshanda Long. Officials say the identification was complicated by the fact that only her skull was discovered.

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    Megan Kanka
    7-year-old Megan Kanka was lured into a house with the promise of seeing a puppy, slammed into a dresser, suffocated and strangled to death with a belt by her neighbor Jesse Timmendequas - a convicted sex offender. He moved her body to his truck, assaulting her a further time before placing the body in a wooden toy chest and dumping it in nearby Mercer County Park.

    http://murderpedia.org/male.T...
    Jesse K. Timmendequas

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    chelsea king
    Chelsea King - Chelsea's last minutes of life were spent fighting off John Gardner, a convicted sex offender who was convicted of the rape and murder of this beautiful 17 year old girl.


    mage6278366x_370x278.jpg#Ambe... Amber Dubois
    Amber Dubois - Amber was raped and murdered by John Gardner, a convicted sex offender.

    John Gardner
    John Gardner
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  • Ruadon Stacie 2012/07/03 06:47:40 (edited)
    Ruadon
    according to that standard, anyone who ever breaks any law should have to be registered for life.
  • Stacie Ruadon 2012/07/03 18:29:20
    Stacie
    Again, anyone who is a CONVICTED SEXUAL OFFENDER should have to register themselves as one.

    Even if doing so saves only one person from being raped and/or murdered, such a mandate will have been well worth it.

    As far as your "anyone who ever breaks any law should have to be registered for life" statement goes, it completely untrue.

    I have clearly stated that such a mandate is absolutely necessary when dealing with Sexual Offenders, and Sexual Offenders alone.
  • Ruadon Stacie 2012/07/04 12:00:10
    Ruadon
    so saving the life of one person is worth millions of others being unable to live any semblance of a normal life? for those millions to have to live in constant fear of being murdered or assaulted because some ignorant redneck decides they hate them based on little or no information? And don't tell me that doesn't happen because we all know there are people who cruise those registration websites, find people who were convicted of crimes decades ago and harass or assault them when they have done them no harm. Several states now have laws that make it a crime for anyone convicted of a sexual offense to have a profile on several social networking sites, or to try to live in certain areas( not just areas near schools ) This makes it nearly impossible to live any kind of normal life in our current society, and once a person has completed their sentence and shown they are trying to make amends for the wrongs they have done, I don't see it as right to continue to punish them.
    As for my statement about "anyone who ever breaks any law should have to be registered for life" I was merely taking your statement to its logical extreme, if registration is appropriate in all cases for one kind of crime then logically it should also be appropriate in all cases for other types of crime. The poin...
    so saving the life of one person is worth millions of others being unable to live any semblance of a normal life? for those millions to have to live in constant fear of being murdered or assaulted because some ignorant redneck decides they hate them based on little or no information? And don't tell me that doesn't happen because we all know there are people who cruise those registration websites, find people who were convicted of crimes decades ago and harass or assault them when they have done them no harm. Several states now have laws that make it a crime for anyone convicted of a sexual offense to have a profile on several social networking sites, or to try to live in certain areas( not just areas near schools ) This makes it nearly impossible to live any kind of normal life in our current society, and once a person has completed their sentence and shown they are trying to make amends for the wrongs they have done, I don't see it as right to continue to punish them.
    As for my statement about "anyone who ever breaks any law should have to be registered for life" I was merely taking your statement to its logical extreme, if registration is appropriate in all cases for one kind of crime then logically it should also be appropriate in all cases for other types of crime. The point I'm trying to make is that while yes there are those out there who society needs to be protected from, not all of those are convicted sex offenders, and not all convicted sex offenders need society to be protected from them.
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  • Stacie Ruadon 2012/07/04 16:11:05 (edited)
    Stacie
    "if registration is appropriate in all cases for one kind of crime then logically it should also be appropriate in all cases for other types of crime."

    Not true. Do all murders receive the death penalty? Do thieves and embezzlers receive the same punishment when convicted?

    Sexual Offender Registries are not a punishment for the perpetrators, but rather a safeguard for any potential victims he/she might have in the future. The offender had a choice as to whether or not he/she would victimize anyone. The choice they made left their victim(s) with no choice at all. The victims have to live with the memories of the crimes perpetrated upon them every day for the rest of their lives.

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    "not all convicted sex offenders need society to be protected from them."

    Yes, they do.

    Frankly, I think it is absolutely unconscionable that you cannot see this.

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    Semblance of a normal life?

    Let's talk about the semblance of a normal life that the offender leaves his victim with. I know a great deal about this, as I was a victim of child sexual abuse. I was only five years old when it began and almost seven when it finally stopped. My rapist and molester was a friend and fellow soldier of my father who lived below us in the family Officer qua...











    "if registration is appropriate in all cases for one kind of crime then logically it should also be appropriate in all cases for other types of crime."

    Not true. Do all murders receive the death penalty? Do thieves and embezzlers receive the same punishment when convicted?

    Sexual Offender Registries are not a punishment for the perpetrators, but rather a safeguard for any potential victims he/she might have in the future. The offender had a choice as to whether or not he/she would victimize anyone. The choice they made left their victim(s) with no choice at all. The victims have to live with the memories of the crimes perpetrated upon them every day for the rest of their lives.

    *****************************...
    "not all convicted sex offenders need society to be protected from them."

    Yes, they do.

    Frankly, I think it is absolutely unconscionable that you cannot see this.

    *****************************...

    Semblance of a normal life?

    Let's talk about the semblance of a normal life that the offender leaves his victim with. I know a great deal about this, as I was a victim of child sexual abuse. I was only five years old when it began and almost seven when it finally stopped. My rapist and molester was a friend and fellow soldier of my father who lived below us in the family Officer quarters on Fort Clayton Army base in Panama.

    This monster robbed me of my childhood innocence, trust and self worth.

    I weighed about 70 pounds, he weighed more than two hundred. I was hurt and so very ashamed after he raped me for the first time that I ate an almost full box of crayons because I thought that doing so would end my life. Unfortunately for me at the time, the only thing that it did was make me throw up.

    The one time that I tried to fight him off he strangled me to the point of unconsciousness, did want he wanted to do to me, and informed me when I came to that he would do the same thing to my Mom, as he know that I loved and adored her beyond all others. He also managed to convince me that if I told my father what he was doing that he would not only disbelieve me, but feel great shame about what I was doing. I never fought back again. I would just lay in silence pretending I was dead while he satisfied his monstrous appetite and break into sobs once he was out of earshot.

    Do you have any idea what it is like for me, as five to seven year old child, to hide the blood and bruises that he left me with every time he had his way with me?

    You cannot imagine the strength it took to not flinch or shy away every time ANY man innocently reached for me. This monster left my life in a chaotic state that I will never be able to completely rid myself of.

    As a result, you are just going to have to forgive me for not giving a damn what kind of life sexual offenders have. As far as I am concerned, if true justice was served they would have no life at all.
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  • Ruadon Stacie 2012/07/05 05:50:44
    Ruadon
    I am also a victim of childhood sexual abuse, from the age of 5 until the age of 7, so I can relate to your pain, at least somewhat. the problem I have with your logic is that you would lump someone who turned 18 and had a 16 yr old girlfriend in with someone who raped and murdered a baby... like you said not all murders get the death penalty, but all sex offenders are required to register, no matter what degree of sexual offense is committed. I have done counseling for sex offenders before, and have seen that some of them can be helped, granted some are too broken and twisted to ever be helped, but the fact is the registration laws do not take that into account. Not to belittle your suffering,
  • ☆ Queen... Stacie 2012/07/04 16:43:47
    ☆ QueenAline
    +1
    yes they should register....there's something whacked out about a person who would commit this crime in the first place...i doubt there is any cure for it...so we must keep tabs on people like this.
  • Stacie ☆ Queen... 2012/07/04 16:44:20
    Stacie
    +1
    Absolutely.
  • Ruadon ☆ Queen... 2012/07/05 05:52:30
    Ruadon
    I have to ask then, do you think that someone who was lied to about a girl's age, or who had an underage girlfriend who was within 2-3 years of their own age is whacked out?
  • ☆ Queen... Ruadon 2012/07/05 13:40:56
    ☆ QueenAline
    I assume you're speaking of a 16 year old, or younger......The situation varies in each case, of course....and the circumstances as well....A sexual offense is a serious crime...and if the actions were unsolicited, or if someone doesn't know what the word NO means, then I stand by my meaning of someone being whacked. If it was a consensual act, then you're both guilty of being very promiscuous at a very young age, and you will both have to deal with this for the rest of your life...It's all about decisions..You have to also use common sense in situations like this.. IDK..that's just my opinion.
  • Ruadon ☆ Queen... 2012/07/05 22:20:47
    Ruadon
    I understand your opinion, my point is that the laws lump such consensual underage sex people in with child rapists as far as registration goes, and while the latter might deserve lifelong scrutiny the former certainly do not.
  • lm1b2 2012/07/01 22:29:48
    lm1b2
    According to the experts,their is no cure for child molesters,the rest i don't know.People like Sandusky ought to be executed.
  • Ruadon lm1b2 2012/07/01 22:33:46
    Ruadon
    I think a big part of our problem in this country is that anyone can call themselves an expert on a subject and the population will accept their opinions on that subject as law...
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/07/01 22:25:55
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    Perhaps, the incident of more offenses is incredible high amongst sexual offenders and darn near 100% for pedophiles. One of the reasons that they are in every cities computers for the rest of their lives. He may be one of those that makes it but the stats are against him.
  • Ruadon Jackie ... 2012/07/01 22:31:04 (edited)
    Ruadon
    actually, the recidivism rate for sex offenders who commit another sex offense is only 5%, only 43% if you include all other crimes.
    that's according to Anderson cooper
  • Jackie ... Ruadon 2012/07/01 22:32:18
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    Not according to FBI but hey, not going to fight about it - they are kept in computers for life with locations - there is a reason
  • Ruadon Jackie ... 2012/07/01 22:35:08
    Ruadon
    yeah they are kept registered for a reason... the prevailing era of paranoia and fear, a few well publicized sensational crimes and suddenly anyone who had an underage girlfriend must publicly publish details of their life for anyone to read anytime they want
  • Quiet-is-feared 2012/07/01 22:21:13
    Quiet-is-feared
    +1
    Honestly,I think it depends on the person. If they have actually made progress with therapy and have become more mentally stable, aware their actions are wrong, and have learned to be able to control themselves then no, I don't believe they would be so likely to offend again.
  • Ruadon Quiet-i... 2012/07/01 22:22:18
    Ruadon
    +1
    good answer, I have a friend in that situation and he seems like a really decent guy
  • Quiet-i... Ruadon 2012/07/01 22:26:36
    Quiet-is-feared
    Oh, I believe he would be alright. Especially if he's gained from therapy, He may want to continue attending sessions overtime though, just to be sure he's in the right mindset, it'd help him out too.
    Best of luck to your friend
  • Ruadon Quiet-i... 2012/07/01 22:32:16
    Ruadon
    +1
    yeah his offense was like 30 years ago, and he has been in therapy sessions up until the last 10 yrs or so... seems to be doing well
  • Quiet-i... Ruadon 2012/07/01 22:37:12
    Quiet-is-feared
    +1
    oh I see, that was a while ago eh, but it's good he's improved over the years
  • Ruadon Quiet-i... 2012/07/01 22:38:54
    Ruadon
    +1
    I agree,

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