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Do you think Congress should hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt over Fast & Furious?

Fox Report with Shepard Smith 2012/06/21 17:26:13
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  • Rachel 2012/06/21 19:14:13
    Yes
    Rachel
    +7
    Absolutely. And do you want to know two key differences between Fast and Furious and Bush Admin's Wide Reciever program? 1) In Wide Reciever, the guns were under constant monitoring and were never lost; 2)The Wide Reciever program was done with the cooperation of the Mexican gov't; and, 3) NOBODY DIED!!!

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  • TheThinker JulianD... 2012/06/23 12:12:46
    TheThinker
    How can you be not sure?
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/06/22 04:41:37
    Yes
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    Yes, if he will not turn over the documents requested, then he is in contempt
  • charles_1 2012/06/22 01:35:51
    Yes
    charles_1
    +3
    We need to know everything that happened to make sure it is fully cleaned up. There is something damaging in those hidden documents. They aren't hiding them for national security or some national interest, they are hiding them to cover something up.
  • 4570GOVT 2012/06/22 00:50:31
    Yes
    4570GOVT
    +1
    (Credit: CBS)

    Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
    PICTURES: ATF "Gunwalking" scandal timeline

    In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.


    ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.


    On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed...












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    (Credit: CBS)

    Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
    PICTURES: ATF "Gunwalking" scandal timeline

    In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.


    ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.


    On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:


    "Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."

    More Fast and Furious coverage:
    Memos contradict Holder on Fast and Furious
    Agent: I was ordered to let guns "walk" into Mexico
    Gunwalking scandal uncovered at ATF

    On Jan. 4, 2011, as ATF prepared a press conference to announce arrests in Fast and Furious, Newell saw it as "(A)nother time to address Multiple Sale on Long Guns issue." And a day after the press conference, Chait emailed Newell: "Bill--well done yesterday... (I)n light of our request for Demand letter 3, this case could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case."


    This revelation angers gun rights advocates. Larry Keane, a spokesman for National Shooting Sports Foundation, a gun industry trade group, calls the discussion of Fast and Furious to argue for Demand Letter 3 "disappointing and ironic." Keane says it's "deeply troubling" if sales made by gun dealers "voluntarily cooperating with ATF's flawed 'Operation Fast & Furious' were going to be used by some individuals within ATF to justify imposing a multiple sales reporting requirement for rifles."



    The Gun Dealers' Quandary


    Several gun dealers who cooperated with ATF told CBS News and Congressional investigators they only went through with suspicious sales because ATF asked them to.


    Sometimes it was against the gun dealer's own best judgment.

    Read the email


    In April, 2010 a licensed gun dealer cooperating with ATF was increasingly concerned about selling so many guns. "We just want to make sure we are cooperating with ATF and that we are not viewed as selling to the bad guys," writes the gun dealer to ATF Phoenix officials, "(W)e were hoping to put together something like a letter of understanding to alleviate concerns of some type of recourse against us down the road for selling these items."


    Read the email

    ATF's group supervisor on Fast and Furious David Voth assures the gun dealer there's nothing to worry about. "We (ATF) are continually monitoring these suspects using a variety of investigative techniques which I cannot go into detail."


    Two months later, the same gun dealer grew more agitated.


    "I wanted to make sure that none of the firearms that were sold per our conversation with you and various ATF agents could or would ever end up south of the border or in the hands of the bad guys. I guess I am looking for a bit of reassurance that the guns are not getting south or in the wrong hands...I want to help ATF with its investigation but not at the risk of agents (sic) safety because I have some very close friends that are US Border Patrol agents in southern AZ as well as my concern for all the agents (sic) safety that protect our country."


    "It's like ATF created or added to the problem so they could be the solution to it and pat themselves on the back," says one law enforcement source familiar with the facts. "It's a circular way of thinking."


    The Justice Department and ATF declined to comment. ATF officials mentioned in this report did not respond to requests from CBS News to speak with them.


    The "Demand Letter 3" Debate


    The two sides in the gun debate have long clashed over whether gun dealers should have to report multiple rifle sales. On one side, ATF officials argue that a large number of semi-automatic, high-caliber rifles from the U.S. are being used by violent cartels in Mexico. They believe more reporting requirements would help ATF crack down. On the other side, gun rights advocates say that's unconstitutional, and would not make a difference in Mexican cartel crimes.


    Two earlier Demand Letters were initiated in 2000 and affected a relatively small number of gun shops. Demand Letter 3 was to be much more sweeping, affecting 8,500 firearms dealers in four southwest border states: Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas. ATF chose those states because they "have a significant number of crime guns traced back to them from Mexico." The reporting requirements were to apply if a gun dealer sells two or more long guns to a single person within five business days, and only if the guns are semi-automatic, greater than .22 caliber and can be fitted with a detachable magazine.


    On April 25, 2011, ATF announced plans to implement Demand Letter 3. The National Shooting Sports Foundation is suing the ATF to stop the new rules. It calls the regulation an illegal attempt to enforce a law Congress never passed. ATF counters that it has reasonably targeted guns used most often to "commit violent crimes in Mexico, especially by drug gangs."


    Reaction


    Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, is investigating Fast and Furious, as well as the alleged use of the case to advance gun regulations. "There's plenty of evidence showing that this administration planned to use the tragedies of Fast and Furious as rationale to further their goals of a long gun reporting requirement. But, we've learned from our investigation that reporting multiple long gun sales would do nothing to stop the flow of firearms to known straw purchasers because many Federal Firearms Dealers are already voluntarily reporting suspicious transactions. It's pretty clear that the problem isn't lack of burdensome reporting requirements."


    On July 12, 2011, Sen. Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., wrote Attorney General Eric Holder, whose Justice Department oversees ATF. They asked Holder whether officials in his agency discussed how "Fast and Furious could be used to justify additional regulatory authorities." So far, they have not received a response. CBS News asked the Justice Department for comment and context on ATF emails about Fast and Furious and Demand Letter 3, but officials declined to speak with us.


    "In light of the evidence, the Justice Department's refusal to answer questions about the role Operation Fast and Furious was supposed to play in advancing new firearms regulations is simply unacceptable," Rep. Issa told CBS News.
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  • BoomLover 2012/06/22 00:43:34
    Yes
    BoomLover
    +3
    Absolutely!And I would say that if he were a Republican, too. but even more than that, Obama is complicit, and should have been impeached several years ago for failure to uphold the Constitution and his Oath of Office.
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/22 00:43:26
    Yes
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    He has indeed poured contempt on this Congress.

    And so has his boss.

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • Freedom Mom 2012/06/22 00:34:48
    Yes
    Freedom Mom
    Yes
  • Larry 2012/06/21 23:54:18
    Yes
    Larry
    +1
    Mr Holder should be put in prison for 5 to 10 years, in general population.
  • CAPISCE 2012/06/21 23:09:10
  • DFA 2012/06/21 22:39:20
    Not sure
    DFA
    +1
    I didn't realize he was in that movie!

    fast and furious
  • ☆ Queen... DFA 2012/06/22 14:38:48
    ☆ QueenAline
    well that's not such a bad idea....people don't know what this was all about, but if it were brought out into the open, where couch potatoes and reality show, and american idol viewers would watch it, THEN the sheep might wake up....This IS political, but it goes so much deeper than that...........yeah....make a movie, but base it on FACTS
  • Mark P. 2012/06/21 22:28:45
    Yes
    Mark P.
    Stone walling at it best.
  • Space Invader 2012/06/21 21:27:58
    Yes
    Space Invader
    +2
    he has lied twice to Congress now; didn't this same govt. go after Roger Clemens for this?
    I guess it's not who you know; but who you blow.....
  • Bob DiN 2012/06/21 20:08:05
    Yes
    Bob DiN
    Yes it's about time this rogue, corrupt, racist AG Holder be brought to justice. Take out lying crook Obama also for good measure.
  • AL 2012/06/21 20:06:02
    Yes
    AL
    +1
    Seems he and Obama tboth hink they're above even seeking the whole truth any longer!
  • Cal 2012/06/21 20:01:40
    Yes
    Cal
    +2
    Actions have consequences. Holder's are simply catching up to him. Yes, like every other man on Earth, he has to take responsibility for his actions at some point.
  • intolerantrwj 2012/06/21 19:45:55
    Yes
    intolerantrwj
    +1
    ..... what would they do to any one of us Taxpayers if we kept waving a center-digit to them

    ................ guess that answers it !

    Nothing will happen ....
  • Susan 2012/06/21 19:43:43
    Yes
    Susan
    +1
    And bring the Prez with him.
  • whitewulf--the unruly mobster 2012/06/21 19:36:41
  • Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2012/06/21 19:30:48
    Yes
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +4
    Not only for this one. They should hold him for the Black Panthers and for suing the States that are only trying to uphold the laws that the Feds are not on immigration.

    He should have never been Attorney General in the first place.
  • Kim 2012/06/21 19:27:36
    Yes
    Kim
    +4
    They need to jail the son of a bitch....
  • whitewu... Kim 2012/06/21 19:37:56
  • AL whitewu... 2012/06/21 20:08:43 (edited)
    AL
    +1
    Damn it Holder,When you told me I should get another term-I didn't think it would be a term in Federal prison!
  • Alex Kim 2012/06/22 03:19:57
  • Rachel 2012/06/21 19:14:13
    Yes
    Rachel
    +7
    Absolutely. And do you want to know two key differences between Fast and Furious and Bush Admin's Wide Reciever program? 1) In Wide Reciever, the guns were under constant monitoring and were never lost; 2)The Wide Reciever program was done with the cooperation of the Mexican gov't; and, 3) NOBODY DIED!!!
  • ally 2012/06/21 19:01:22 (edited)
    No
    ally
    +1
    First of all, there is no contempt. Holder has been before Issa 8 times, and gave over 7,000 transcripts.
    The contepmt is the fact that it's all a smoke screen to what the GOTP has been trying to get away from- job creation and Romney saying anything about what his actual plans for this nation really are.
  • ☆ Queen... ally 2012/06/22 14:40:29
    ☆ QueenAline
    +1
    baloney.....and there are more transcripts that they are refusing to hand over...more like 700,000...so where are they? They are hiding something...and yes, this is what we call CONTEMPT... wake up you sleeping sheep
  • ally ☆ Queen... 2012/06/22 15:25:57
    ally
    You wake up, con. It's nothing more than an Obama lynch mob from the beginning.

    The rest of the documents that Issa "so desperately" wants, by law, cannot be released because it's an ongoing criminal matter. Obama has used his executive privilege against Issa getting these documents, and Congress can't get their release.
  • ☆ Queen... ally 2012/06/22 15:37:24
    ☆ QueenAline
    +1
    wrong...they can't be released because your savior has something to hide...plain and simple...but eventually the truth will be told
  • TheThinker ally 2012/06/23 12:15:24
    TheThinker
    Wow there is an imbecile present today that lives in Obonehead world...... obonehead
  • Ozzyboy 2012/06/21 18:42:55
    Yes
    Ozzyboy
    +2
    Obstructing the information needed for justice for Brian Terry is contemptuous. It doesn't matter how many documents you claim to have given over, if they are not the ones needed, it is stonewalling and wasting time. A surgeon doesn't tell you he did all he could for heart disease when he is supposed to be treating cancer.
  • BurntOffering 2012/06/21 18:36:26
    No
    BurntOffering
    +1
    Everyone who voted yes, are cheats, liars and racist! Yeah I said it and meant it
  • whitewu... BurntOf... 2012/06/21 19:40:17
  • BurntOf... whitewu... 2012/06/22 16:57:07
    BurntOffering
    Why are you angry because People can only play the Cards theyve been dealt? What other AG has been held in Contempt after he has Cooperated by providing them with over 7,000 documents, 100s of thousands of emails etc. The information Issa is asking For IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED BY THE LAW? Lets not even mention the Fact, Fast & Furious Programs began with GW Bush and received a bunch of Fs. The GOP from the very start played games with US All using Religion, Ancestry, Political, Energy, Race, Age, Gender and Equal Education (RAPE RAGE) Cards without ever getting to the Facts. If Issa or anyone else wants to know about Fast and Furious; Maybe they should ask those involved to Testify instead of People who had Nothing to do with it. This is just another Destraction by the GOP who has NOTHING to Run On and have made up these problems just to keep Voters from Knowing How Bad Bush & Cheny Phucked Up! Engineer
  • Bob DiN BurntOf... 2012/06/21 20:10:11
    Bob DiN
    +1
    Sounds you are a lying crook like all the other no votes.
  • ☆ Queen... Bob DiN 2012/06/22 14:41:11
    ☆ QueenAline
    you said it
  • Bob DiN ☆ Queen... 2012/06/22 14:53:37
    Bob DiN
    +1
    Agreed! There is nothing lower than a Liberal/Marxist, they're lower than pond scum.
  • Simms BurntOf... 2012/06/22 11:45:06
    Simms
    +1
    How do you come to that conclusion? Oh, that's right, blind accusations are all you have when you don't know squat.
  • ☆ Queen... BurntOf... 2012/06/22 14:40:49
    ☆ QueenAline
    and you are out of your mind
  • BurntOf... ☆ Queen... 2012/06/22 17:05:48
    BurntOffering
    But obviously not out of yours and you need to learn how to think outside the box the GOP put themselves in.

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