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Do you support Romney because he is "anyone but Obama" or because of another reason?

Wake The Sheeple 2012/05/26 16:06:09
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After talking to many Romney or Obama supporters I have seen that neither of them see that their "Nemesis" is almost exactly the same as their "Ally". When I have brought up documented facts I have been told to shut up, or that a vote for the other candidate with the same policies as their candidate "would be national suicide."

Here is my opinion and it's based on sound logic, you can powder coat a turd all you want and call it a truffle but that doesn't mean that I am going to swallow it.
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  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/05/26 22:42:09
    I do not support either candidate that the media is force feeding us.
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +7
    We all have to hate somebody dont we? Because when we hate, we are distracted.Our minds become so focused that we become so blind that we'll accept help from anyone to take down who we hate, no matter how evil it may be.

    That's the entire point of Obama. To get us to hate him so much that we'll be blind to who Romney is, so that we'll support him in spite of his similarities to Obama.

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  • dreamhippy 2012/05/28 07:35:04
    I do not support either candidate that the media is force feeding us.
    dreamhippy
    +4
    Nobody but Paul!!!
  • 9th of 9 2012/05/27 14:43:02
    I do not support either candidate that the media is force feeding us.
    9th of 9
    +5
    *** It's not cool to vote for Romney ***

    There, lets see if that will work. Facts wont.
  • Technotrucker_exposingthetruth 2012/05/27 08:51:24
    I do not support either candidate that the media is force feeding us.
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +5
    Isn't it amazing that the LSM made sh*t up about Bush to try and keep him from getting elected. Yet with 0rombat and 0dipwad, they seem to be untouchable. BO's actions are outright treason, while Mitt's criminal record is growing leaps and bounds, almost daily. Where is the ever scrutinizing eye of the LSM? Where is all that fair and balanced crap that FOX pretends to stand for? Where is the CNN and their fake backdrops to expose the dirt on Mitt? What the heck is going on?
  • gracious43 2012/05/27 03:23:16
    ABO all the way!
    gracious43
    I'm voting for Gov Romney as a grudge vote against Prez Obama for his defense of homosexual marriages.
  • Wake Th... gracious43 2012/05/27 03:34:30
    Wake The Sheeple
    +6
    Romney is against gay marriage?... Why did he sign it into law?

  • gracious43 Wake Th... 2012/05/27 03:49:51
    gracious43
    Oh, I know you are right. I do not like Romney! I do not like Romney at all. He did all of those things your video said in Mass. I'm not a Republican (I voted for Sen Obama in 2008) but I would have enjoyed voting for Mike Huckabee, or Rick Perry. The Republicans didn't provide me with those choices. I wasn't planning to vote at all. But on the same day that Prez Obama came out in defense of gay marriages, Romney stated that he would support marriage between one man and one woman.

    At one time Prez Obama stated that he believed that marriage was between one man and one woman because of his Christian faith, but the minute the waters seemed to be more favorable on the nonChristian side, he changed his tune in a heart-beat, and lo and behold gays began pouring money into his coffers.

    Prez Obama broke his to me. If Romney doesn't defend marriage like he promised, it will be my good pleasure to vote against him in 2016.
  • Wake Th... gracious43 2012/05/27 05:29:08 (edited)
    Wake The Sheeple
    +4
    They are both in the service of the same master and that is not God. God Gave us the ability to discern right from wrong, I think he would want us to never choose the lighter shade of wrong, God does not choose evil to fight evil and neither should we.
  • gracious43 Wake Th... 2012/05/27 05:47:30
    gracious43
    "God does not choose evil to fight evil and neither should we."


    Sure He does. God has chosen evil to punish evil. What comes to mind is when God chose Assyria to conquer Israel. God admitted He detested Assyria, but He used them to punish Israel, and said that later he would punish Assyria too.



    Isaiah 10:4-6
    4 You will stumble along as prisoners
    or lie among the dead.
    But even then the Lord’s anger will not be satisfied.
    His fist is still poised to strike.
    5 “What sorrow awaits Assyria, the rod of my anger.
    I use it as a club to express my anger.
    6 I am sending Assyria against a godless nation,
    against a people with whom I am angry.
    Assyria will plunder them,
    trampling them like dirt beneath its feet.
  • Wake Th... gracious43 2012/05/27 06:16:29
    Wake The Sheeple
    +4
    Would God choose an evil man to preside over his people?...
  • gracious43 Wake Th... 2012/05/27 06:22:05
    gracious43
    Sure!

    Matthew 2:16-17
    16 Herod was furious when he realized that the wise men had outwitted him. He sent soldiers to kill all the boys in and around Bethlehem who were two years old and under, based on the wise men’s report of the star’s first appearance. 17 Herod’s brutal action fulfilled what God had spoken through the prophet Jeremiah.
  • Wake Th... gracious43 2012/05/27 15:02:57
    Wake The Sheeple
    +3
    Just because God allows an evil man to take power, doesn't mean he chose them.
  • gracious43 Wake Th... 2012/05/27 15:13:17
    gracious43
    It is part of my faith that God does put evil leaders in power. In a Democracy, of course, I can vote my conscience at the proper time, but otherwise, I must submit to the decision of God.

    Romans 13:1-6
    13 Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. 4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. 5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.

    6 Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do.
  • Arizona... gracious43 2012/05/28 13:25:13
    Arizona1950
    +4
    God's purpose from what I understand is to let man do what man is going to do so they can see the error of their ways and turn back to him. He does not promote evil but he allows it, this is where choice comes in ... evil over good; or good over evil. It is our choice and it is the condition of the heart to which we will all be judged when we make these choices.
  • gracious43 Arizona... 2012/05/28 13:26:35
    gracious43
    That is exactly right! Evil happens on this earth because God gave mankind the gift of freewill.
  • Arizona... gracious43 2012/05/28 13:29:49 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    +4
    No not really ... because Satan was given free will and works on people's own greed and lust to get his way.
  • gracious43 Arizona... 2012/05/28 13:32:15
    gracious43
    Well, actually Satan's powers are limited. He can't force us to do something we reject. He can entice and tempt alike heck--but he can't force.
  • Arizona... gracious43 2012/05/28 13:38:03
    Arizona1950
    +4
    Yes ... free choice. Evil over Good or Good over Evil. God neither entices or tempts. Satan cannot create but God can. But as we know if you count winning in numbers Satan wins. But if you count winning in quality and goodness God wins and offers us a place free from strife and tears for eternity. Those who end up on the other side ... well there is some controversay on that. I personally think the flames of hell is the separation from God and all hope for eternity.
  • S* gracious43 2012/05/27 05:37:24
    S*
    +1
    He is the president, he should protect all the citizens, not just those you support. But voting for Romney, even tho he is not different, seems like there is more going on.
  • gracious43 S* 2012/05/27 05:41:43
    gracious43
    I believe in the United States, I am allowed to vote my conscience. But in this matter, I feel that Prez Obama lied to me personally. He personally said in 2008 that he would not support homosexual marriages, then his financial support sank to the deepest part of the well, and Prez Obama pulled the gay card.
  • S* gracious43 2012/05/27 05:51:58
    S*
    +3
    I hear your concern, but really, why this subject? If you have read, What's the matter with Kansas, the conservatives have induced the working class to vote against their interests by playing the various cards, flag burning, gun rights, abortion, and the conservative base has just gone along.
    Be a thinker, not a reactor.
  • gracious43 S* 2012/05/27 06:00:45
    gracious43
    I am pretty sure that I have mentioned that I am not a Republican. I wasn't planning to vote at all. But this issue is an issue that I feel deeply about, and you certainly have been studying why I feel this way. You may not agree with my convictions, but you most certainly know what they are.

    And yes, this is a knee-jerk reaction to my fury.
  • Wake Th... gracious43 2012/05/27 15:05:07
    Wake The Sheeple
    +5
    That is the same thing that made you vote Obama from what you said, perhaps you should read up on the issues & stop voting emotions.
  • gracious43 Wake Th... 2012/05/27 15:20:52
    gracious43
    I voted for Sen Obama because I was a Democrat, and I really hadn't noticed how far left the Democrat party had become. In fact, I really did believe that Sen Obama was going to do all of the things that he promised to do. I did more than vote for Sen Obama. I sent him campaign money, and walked three voting districts knocking on doors for him.

    This was the position of homosexual marriage of the man I voted for in November 2007. In fact, the Republican party held the same viewpoint, as stated by the Biden/Palen debate.

    Timeline of Obama’s ‘Evolving’ on Same-Sex Marriage

    President Obama will sit down with “Good Morning America” anchor Robin Roberts today at the White House for a wide-ranging interview, his first since Vice President Joe Biden publicly voiced his support for same-sex marriage and North Carolina voters imposed a new ban on all same-sex unions.

    Asked Tuesday whether Obama was prepared to opine on the debate, White House spokesman Jay Carney said, “I can tell you that I’m sure it is the case that he will be asked again at some point when he gives interviews or press conferences about this issue, and I’ll leave it to him to describe his personal views.”

    Here’s a look back at the various positions he has held on the issue: from appearing to support the unions as a young...























    I voted for Sen Obama because I was a Democrat, and I really hadn't noticed how far left the Democrat party had become. In fact, I really did believe that Sen Obama was going to do all of the things that he promised to do. I did more than vote for Sen Obama. I sent him campaign money, and walked three voting districts knocking on doors for him.

    This was the position of homosexual marriage of the man I voted for in November 2007. In fact, the Republican party held the same viewpoint, as stated by the Biden/Palen debate.

    Timeline of Obama’s ‘Evolving’ on Same-Sex Marriage

    President Obama will sit down with “Good Morning America” anchor Robin Roberts today at the White House for a wide-ranging interview, his first since Vice President Joe Biden publicly voiced his support for same-sex marriage and North Carolina voters imposed a new ban on all same-sex unions.

    Asked Tuesday whether Obama was prepared to opine on the debate, White House spokesman Jay Carney said, “I can tell you that I’m sure it is the case that he will be asked again at some point when he gives interviews or press conferences about this issue, and I’ll leave it to him to describe his personal views.”

    Here’s a look back at the various positions he has held on the issue: from appearing to support the unions as a young state senate candidate, opposing them outright as a matter of faith in 2004, to suggesting a shift in line with public opinion:

    FEBRUARY 1996: “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages,” reads a typed, signed statement from then-Illinois state senate candidate Obama in response to a questionnaire by the Chicago LGBT newspaper “Outlines.” White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer later publicly disavowed the statement, claiming in June 2011 that the questionnaire was “actually filled out by someone else.”

    OCTOBER 2004: “What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting,” then-U.S. Senate candidate Obama said in an interview with WTTW Chicago public television.

    “That doesn’t mean that that necessarily translates into a position on public policy or with respect to civil unions. What it does mean is that we have a set of traditions in place that, I think, need to be preserved, but I also think we need to make sure that gays and lesbians have the same set of basic rights that are in place.

    “I don’t think marriage is a civil right,” Obama said when asked whether there’s an inherent right to marry.

    OCTOBER 2010: “I have been to this point unwilling to sign on to same-sex marriage primarily because of my understandings of the traditional definitions of marriage,” President Obama said during an interview with liberal bloggers. “But I also think you’re right that attitudes evolve, including mine. And I think that it is an issue that I wrestle with and think about because I have a whole host of friends who are in gay partnerships.”

    DECEMBER 2010: “My feelings about this are constantly evolving. I struggle with this. At this point, what I’ve said is, is that my baseline is a strong civil union that provides them the protections and the legal rights that married couples have,” Obama said in response to a question from ABC’s Jake Tapper at a White House press conference.

    “I recognize that from their perspective it is not enough, and I think is something that we’re going to continue to debate and I personally am going to continue to wrestle with going forward,” he said.

    JUNE 2011: “The president has never favored same-sex marriage. He is against it. The country is evolving on this, and he is evolving on it,” Pfeiffer told progressive activists at the Net Roots Nation conference.

    JUNE 2011: “I think it’s important for us to work through these issues because each community is going to be different, each state is going to be different,” Obama said when asked during a White House news conference about New York becoming the latest state to legalize same-sex marriage.

    “I think what you’re seeing is a profound recognition on the part of the American people that gays and lesbians and transgender persons are our brothers, our sisters, our children, our cousins, our friends, our co-workers, and that they’ve got to be treated like every other American,” he said. “And I think that principle will win out. It’s not going to be perfectly smooth, and it turns out that the president — I’ve discovered since I’ve been in this office — can’t dictate precisely how this process moves.”

    OCTOBER 2011: “I’m still working on it,” Obama said when asked by ABC’s George Stephanopoulos whether he would move from supporting civil unions for same-sex couples to supporting gay marriage.

    “I probably won’t make news right now, George. But I think that there’s no doubt that as I see friends, families children of gay couples who are thriving, you know, that has an impact on how I think about these issues.”
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  • S* gracious43 2012/05/28 06:11:26
    S*
    +1
    If the most important issue in your opinion is this, then, yes, I agree with you. You should vote your conscience. However, I do not consider it that important. If you are comparing the relative polarity of the parties, the country has made a right shift, Reagan would now be considered a moderate. Thank you for your input.
  • Technot... gracious43 2012/05/27 08:53:43
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +6
    Now that is almost as ridiculous as the ABO campaign. Problem is, Mitt loves the gay agenda. He is more democrat than people realize. Ask the unfortunate victims of Mass.
  • gracious43 Technot... 2012/05/27 13:31:17
    gracious43
    Give me your suggestion as to what I should do. I know exactly what Gov Romney is. He ushered homosexuality into Mass con gusto, and supported it every step of the way. He was no unwilling leader.

    The Republicans had their chance to nominate a decent, morally aware leader, and state after state picked Gov Romney. And in this election, Gov Romney promised to protect one man one woman marriages. Pres Obama promises to protect gay marriages. He promises it. He already has, when he decided that he wasn't going to financially support DOMA. Now he has gone further.

    I'm under no illusions about Gov. Romney. But Pres Obama has shown his hand, and as he himself stated, this four years, he will "have more flexibility."
  • Technot... gracious43 2012/05/27 15:08:52
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +5
    You have to realize, Mitt hasn't locked up crap. Paul is still in this, and gaining more ground everyday. Stopping the delegate fraud and voter tampering is a big part of it. They don't want you to have a real choice, or Paul would already be the nominee. They want good puppets to put forth their agenda. Destroy from within. Be it illegal taxation, forgery of the currency, unfair trade, bailouts and stimulus. They are all part of the NWO agenda. They want us all living like paupers in third world nations. They want us all completely dependent and beholding to the govt dole. I severed my ties 20 years ago. I won't support their corruption, nor should anyone else. They can't imprison the entire nation. If they actually do try, there WILL be blood in the streets. I suspect it will be much more of theirs than they would believe.
  • gracious43 Technot... 2012/05/27 21:16:09
    gracious43
    Ron Paul is not going to win. It is the same third party deal I have seen my whole life. There was Anderson in 1980, and Ross Perot in 1992 and Ralph Nadar in 2000.

    I've seen third-party candidates come and go. I would have voted for Eugene V Debs back in the day. But these dreams are not going to happen.

    And by the way, I agree with you. The American people are bought and sold by their leaders. We are bought and sold and fleeced like animals, by both filthy rich parties.
  • Wake Th... gracious43 2012/05/27 21:26:46
    Wake The Sheeple
    +3
    So why for we keep voting between two slave traders and continue calling it a choice?
  • gracious43 Wake Th... 2012/05/27 21:39:05
    gracious43
    I truely wish I could give you two raves for that, instead of just one.

    Quotes by Prez Bill Clinton:

    "The road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins with the destruction of the truth. "

    When I was in England I experimented with marijuana a time or two -- and didn't like it -- and didn't inhale and never tried inhaling again. Television interview (March 1992), quoted in the New York Times (31 March 1992) realone audio file

    "Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time, never. These allegations are false, and I need to go back to work for the American people.


    No one wants to get this matter behind us more than I do—except maybe all the rest of the American people. Statement on the Monica Lewinsky affair, at Rose Garden press conference (July 31, 1998)

    It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the—if he—if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement. … Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are yo...



    I truely wish I could give you two raves for that, instead of just one.

    Quotes by Prez Bill Clinton:

    "The road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins with the destruction of the truth. "

    When I was in England I experimented with marijuana a time or two -- and didn't like it -- and didn't inhale and never tried inhaling again. Television interview (March 1992), quoted in the New York Times (31 March 1992) realone audio file

    "Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time, never. These allegations are false, and I need to go back to work for the American people.


    No one wants to get this matter behind us more than I do—except maybe all the rest of the American people. Statement on the Monica Lewinsky affair, at Rose Garden press conference (July 31, 1998)

    It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the—if he—if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement. … Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true. Grand jury testimony (August 17, 1998), answering questions about his attorney's description of an affidavit by Monica Lewinsky

    Indeed, I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong. It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible. But I told the grand jury today and I say to you now that at no time did I ask anyone to lie, to hide or destroy evidence or to take any other unlawful action.

    "I feel your pain."
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  • Technot... gracious43 2012/05/28 04:13:21
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +6
    I have no intention of seeing him as a third party candidate. I see him as winning the GOP nomination, against the wishes of the Establishment.
  • gracious43 Technot... 2012/05/28 04:32:15
    gracious43
    +3
    Okay, I will pray for him, one way or another, and if he wins he has got my vote.
  • Technot... gracious43 2012/05/28 05:03:46
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +5
    Good to hear.
  • DoxieDad 2012/05/27 02:48:00
    I support Romney because...(insert well thought out argument here.)
    DoxieDad
    I support Romney because this nation needs to move and get out of this pool of stagnation. Another four years of this will tear this country apart.
    Please, oh pretty please do not dump the Ron Paul baloney on us. He is done and needs to head home to Texas.
  • Wake Th... DoxieDad 2012/05/27 03:03:50
    Wake The Sheeple
    +4
    How will Romney be any different? Notice I said "insert well thought out argument here"?
  • Technot... Wake Th... 2012/05/27 08:56:14
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +4
    I find it almost whimsical that the question you ask, is repeatedly dodged by all Mitt supporters. Over and over they evade. Let me know if you ever get a real honest thought out reply. I of course will not be holding my breath! ;o)
    holding breath
  • DoxieDad Technot... 2012/05/27 14:27:23
    DoxieDad
    Honestly? Here is my thought;
    Ron Paul looser
  • Technot... DoxieDad 2012/05/27 15:09:37
    Technotrucker_exposingthetruth
    +3
    Yeah, more 4th grade antics. You should be so proud.
  • DoxieDad Technot... 2012/05/27 15:50:52
    DoxieDad
    holding breath
    Wow, I did not recognize College work.
  • DoxieDad Wake Th... 2012/05/27 14:25:24
    DoxieDad
    Well I hate to do this but let me answer your question with a question.
    Do you honestly think that Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Paul Ryan and the Tea Party Clan are going to cooperate with Barack Obama any more in a second term then they did in his first term? I also see Republicans picking up more seats in November.

    Look, Mitt Romney is not a savior, a vehicle for major change or even an exciting person. Mitt Romney does have the experience business and of negotiation to get things done. Something we need right now. I am sorry that this does not fit the Progressive vision of the future but action not stagnation is needed before this whole thing is broken beyond repair.

    Barack Obama like Jimmy Carter is a nice guy but he has shown to be a poor manager.

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