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Do you still BLAME BUSH??!!

BlueRepublican 2012/05/21 17:08:01
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  • Næthan Æterna 2012/05/21 18:26:11
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    Næthan Æterna
    +18
    I don't blame him for the economic collapse. Sure, he was sitting President when it happened, but lest we not forget that he tried to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac multiple times, and it was the Democrats that shut the efforts down every time (because they were making BANK! FOLLOW THE MONEY TO FIND THE ANSWERS!)




    I do blame him for getting us into two expensive wars and there is no way around that, but Congress is equally to blame. At LEAST he had the courtesy of getting the green light from Congress to do so instead of bypassing them and disregarding the Constitution.

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  • Brosia 2012/06/20 01:05:32
  • Erok 2012/05/31 00:14:04
    NO
    Erok
    He was much better than what we have now.
  • cybernestical 2012/05/29 15:59:32
    YES
    cybernestical
    +1
    Hell yes, big time. Bush and Dick should be in jail.
  • nolaphile 2012/05/29 04:08:06 (edited)
    NO
    nolaphile
    +1
    Not after 3 plus years. There are a lot more people involved at this point than a man who left office over 3 years ago. Obama himself claimed in 2009: "I'll Be a One-Term President If I Don't Fix This Economy In Three Years; I Will Be Held "Accountable" There are a lot of heads in the house and senate that need to roll, as well.
  • mach 2012/05/29 00:12:24
    YES
    mach
    +1
    "W" falls into a category occupied by just one other president for laying blame,... Herbert Hoover. His mess is STILL exacting its toll on America, STILL a threat to bankrupt us and might just cause damage for decades to come!
  • David Hussey 2012/05/27 08:17:23
    Undecided
    David Hussey
    I blame Bush for the things for which he bears responsibility. No more, no less, just as I apply the same to all elected officials. And the heaping of blame upon the person of the President, whoever it might be at any given time is a cop out. They do not set policy, they do not enact legislation, they are nothing but a face put upon the faceless machine of government. In many ways they act as a vessel with which to carry away the blame when the leave office so that those who are truly responsible can carry on unhindered by accountability for past actions
  • dreamhippy 2012/05/27 05:02:08
    YES
    dreamhippy
    My blame of Obama is for continuing the same crap that SHRUB did and then pretending innocence when he should have changed our policy.
  • jon 2012/05/25 17:25:30
    None of the above
    jon
    only that he did not send you to Afganistan.
  • happyday49 jon 2012/05/26 00:48:56
    happyday49
    +1
    HAHAHAHA!!! :-)
  • Captain Bacon 2012/05/24 22:30:51
    Undecided
    Captain Bacon
    +2
    Bush is an idiot like all douche bag politicians..... It don't matter what party they're from... All those @ssholes in Washington are a bunch of lying cheating bloated elitist period!!!!
    Time to hit the reset button
  • Pronatalist Pronatalist 2012/05/24 22:25:58
    None of the above
    Pronatalist Pronatalist
    +2
    Blame all the New World Order criminal elitists ruining our country. Yes, blame Bush, for his part in 9-11 was an inside job. Blame Obummer, because this "Blame Bush" stuff is getting really old, when tyrant Obummer is just as guilty for wrecking the economy, if not more so. Blame them all. Blame us, for not booting them out sooner. Blame us, for us getting played like a fiddle, by the NWO.
  • Stormy 2012/05/24 12:37:49
    YES
    Stormy
    +4
    Of course. He lied the world into war. Time doesn't erase the crime.
  • goatman112003 2012/05/24 02:37:54
    NO
    goatman112003
    +1
    I blame the dems who blocked all attempts to reform those mortgages that caused these present problems. I blame dems for pissing away our wealth and the damage will be felt for 30 years on the next generation and the one after that. I blame the dems for doing their best to literally destroying the American dream and possibly the country.
  • Marc m 2012/05/24 01:41:04
    None of the above
    Marc m
    NEVER !
  • joe ramirez 2012/05/23 23:00:36
    None of the above
    joe ramirez
    +1
    Some people are just plain dumb! The deficit began to grow during the Carter Administration at 800 billion $$$! Every administration has added on to it rather than fixing the problem! You can Blame Bush all you want(like your daddy obama) but Bush did not create 16+ Trillion $$$ deficit!
  • Brosia joe ram... 2012/06/20 01:09:47
    Brosia
    Wasn't there a surplus when he took office of somewhere in the neighborhood of $2 Trillion? And if there was, and there was a deficit when he left office...then how can you claim that he didn't get us into a huge debt?
  • toni 2012/05/23 17:55:25
    YES
    toni
    +5
    It took Bush 7 years to collapse the economy. Twenty Three months after Obama took office everybody was furious that he hadn't fixed it yet.
  • nothing... toni 2012/05/27 19:57:51
    nothingbutthetruth
    +1
    You are so right about that. I could remember Meg Whitman who was running for California governor, claimed she could bring back jobs to California. After she lost the bid, she went to work for HP as CEO, now she is planning of cutting over 27,000 jobs. Same with Mitt Romney, claiming he is a business man and know how to create jobs, he will do the same like Meg Whitman, and then use his slogan, "Sometimes the medicine is a little bitter but it is necessary to save the life of the patient, (business)"
  • Frank 2012/05/23 17:34:03
    None of the above
    Frank
    +1
    Bush was a good American, and held a tough job of which I think he did the best he could.....
  • ADRIA 2012/05/23 15:15:11
    YES
    ADRIA
    +6
    Lost our business and our home because of Bush and we are just getting on our feet again.
  • DoxieDad 2012/05/23 12:08:50
    YES
    DoxieDad
    +7
    Yes, I blame George Bush for all the Blood, Treasure and Future lost in his lust to go on his religious crusades in the Middle East. And please do not give me the terrorism BS, most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi's why didn't we go there.
  • trentin... DoxieDad 2012/05/24 07:43:34
    trentinafur
    +6
    Are you seeing who Romney is hiring as his foreign policy advisors? All former Bush people! And now he's cozying up to the worst of them - Cheney. Cheney's throwing a neocon fundraiser for him this weekend in Wyoming.
  • DoxieDad trentin... 2012/05/24 21:41:55
    DoxieDad
    +1
    I see. But I don't see Romney surrounding himself with a bunch of Neocon's that are out to save the world from itself. There are some hard choices that need to be made in the next four years foreign policies aside. The needs to be a President who has a modicum of cooperation from the legislative branch to get things done. I do not see that happening with the current management. Since I can not fire Congress the only alternative is the resident in the White House.
    Who ever comes out the winner in November is going to be under immense pressure from the right wing evangelical nut cases to start a war with Iran. I see Romney being the more mature adult to say No. I know many here will not agree with me but we all do have an opinion.
  • trentin... DoxieDad 2012/05/25 02:43:59
    trentinafur
    "I do not see that happening with the current management. Since I can not fire Congress the only alternative is the resident in the White House."

    Because the GOP-led house won't cooperate with the Pres - you get rid of the better country leader/Commander in Chief?? And hire a guy who will absolutely take us back to Bush Doctrine On Steroids??? Talk about a Friday the 13th scenario!!

    Oh my, doxie....sorry, that is 100% illogic in my book.
  • DoxieDad trentin... 2012/05/25 03:25:57
    DoxieDad
    So, we reelect a chief executive that has a Congress that is not going to cooperate with him. So the nation can endure another four years of stagnation and division. Well Trent, that makes all the logical sense in the world to me.
  • trentin... DoxieDad 2012/05/25 06:55:12
    trentinafur
    +1
    Two possibilities here:

    1) As you state: legislative gridlock. And yet - Obama is still managing to get things done. His drone policy has taken out the guys who are plotting against us - and they have the resources to get it done. He's ending wars - and whether you agree with it or not - he is pushing to reallocate war spending to domestic programs. Even if you disagree with the domestic programs - spending money at home beats the hell out of spending money on useless wars and more and more money going to defense contractors.

    2) Another GOP loss - including losses in swing states - sends a message to GOP legislators to get with the program. And we start to see more cooperation.

    Yep - 1) is more likely than 2). But either of these scenarios is preferable to going back to a 3rd round of George W. Bush. That includes the gridlock scenario.
  • DoxieDad trentin... 2012/05/25 21:40:17
    DoxieDad
    1) Barack Obama has much to the chagrin of his LWNJ supporters has increased both drone and troop levels in Afghanistan. He fulfilled the terms of the agreement the the Bush administration hammered out on our exit from Iraq on a set time line. My preference would have been much quicker but we are gone from Iraq and hopefully we will be gone from Afghanistan sooner then later. These two wars have have as much financial impact on this nation as did the Wall Street debacle.
    2) I do not see many if any Dem gains come November. The country is in a serially mood and has no patience for long term incumbents. I see Bill Nelson here in Florida having if not loosing his 30 year plus incumbency.
    3) The claim that a Romney administration would be nothing more then a third Bush term carries no more water then the claims by the RWNJ's that Barack Obama is a secret socialist bent on the destruction of the United States. Both claims are nothing more then fear mongering in my opinion. But that is me, right.
  • trentin... DoxieDad 2012/05/25 23:31:05
    trentinafur
    "The claim that a Romney administration would be nothing more then a third Bush term carries no more water then..."

    I have given you links to solid web links that fly directly in the face of your words. Articles that: 1) contain Romney's own neocon statements with respect to Iran, and...Russia, for god's sakes! 2) report that Romney has hired 17 former Bush policy advisors/cabinet members, 3) contain statements from one of the most respected former national security advisors who looks at both Romney's own words - and his cadre of Bush foreign policy advisors - and comes to the same, unavoidable conclusion.


    Welp - Doxie - as the ol' saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water...but you can't make him drink".

    Best of luck.
  • DoxieDad trentin... 2012/05/25 23:58:00
    DoxieDad
    igor
    Well we each have to make our own decisions. I could post all the RWNJ stuff about Obama as well but it would make no more sense.
  • toni DoxieDad 2012/05/28 14:46:48
    toni
    Stagnation and division are better for the country than allowing the right wing to have total control of the government.
  • DoxieDad toni 2012/05/28 14:54:15
    DoxieDad
    [...]The nation be damned, we don't want the other side to gain control. Not picking on you. I will here the same line of baloney from the RWNJ's too.
    And then there are the Paulistas and there off world answer to all our ills.
  • toni DoxieDad 2012/05/28 16:01:07
    toni
    No. It's going to take us a long time to recover from George Bush. If we give the neocons control of our government again then we may never recover.
  • DoxieDad toni 2012/05/28 16:11:12
    DoxieDad
    OK then. Have a great Memorial Day
  • trentin... DoxieDad 2012/05/25 02:53:10
    trentinafur
    +1
    "I see Romney being the more mature adult to say No (to war with Iran)"

    We could not disagree more on this point. Romney is the sabre rattler. Romney is the guy talking tough, and talking about ensuring that military spending increases - and does not suffer the mandatory cuts. Not Obama.

    1) "How I would check Iran’s nuclear ambition"
    By Mitt Romney, Published: March 5
    http://www.washingtonpost.com...

    "Most important, I will buttress my diplomacy with a military option that will persuade the ayatollahs to abandon their nuclear ambitions. Only when they understand that at the end of that road lies not nuclear weapons but ruin will there be a real chance for a peaceful resolution.

    My plan includes restoring the regular presence of aircraft carrier groups in the Eastern Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf region simultaneously."

    2) "Experts Skeptical of Romney's Defense Budget Plans"
    http://www.usnews.com/news/ar...

    "Mitt Romney's campaign plans for increasing military spending while reducing the deficit are being met with skepticism by industry experts..."
  • DoxieDad trentin... 2012/05/25 03:34:37
    DoxieDad
    I will not argue with the sabre rattling comment. It bothers me as well. But on the other hand the Obama administration has carried out more military strikes then the Bush administration ever did and I would not put it past Obama to ratchet things up on Iran. This is all window dressing for the RWNJ's. I do not see Romney in the same league as Bush and Company.
    This still does not get around the problem of the three branches of government not cooperating with each other. Congress is simply not going to work with Barack Obama. There is not a chance in Hades that the Democrats will gain control of the House and are in all likelihood may loose the Senate as well. So, four years of Washington deadlock or the alternative?
  • trentin... DoxieDad 2012/05/25 07:03:16
    trentinafur
    +1
    "I do not see Romney in the same league as Bush and Company"

    You are either misjudging - or you are not seeing the news on this topic. This is one of thousands of articles on the web re: Romney loading up with former Dubya advisors on foreign policy and national security:

    "Romney Hires G.W. Bush Advisors"
    http://my.auburnjournal.com/d...

    "Former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski said in an interview on Bloomberg that Mitt Romney lacks a grasp of foreign policy and would return the U.S. to the policies of George W. Bush."

    Q: So it would be a reprise of the George W. Bush administration foreign policy?

    BRZEZINSKI: "Yeah. You know, he seems to have a lot of people around him from that administration who are generally described as neocons."

    "Among the 22 members of Mitt Romney’s foreign policy staff, 15 were foreign policy advisers under George W. Bush. Six are former members of Project For A New American Century (PNAC)."

    "PNAC stressed a doctrine that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world," and supported "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."
  • DoxieDad trentin... 2012/05/25 21:46:14
    DoxieDad
    Sorry Tren I just don't see things through a myopic eye piece. Mitt Romney is (in my opinion) allot more then the progress wing would have be believed.
    This would be akin of me believing all the right wing loons who make their outrageous claims. You deeply believe that another four years of Barack Obama is the best thing for the nation. I just don't see it. All I see with a reelected Barack Obama is four more years of the same. My patience, my company and financial situation will not go through that. Another four years of this and my company will be closed and the 40 people left working will be out of a job. Is the Republican party the god send? Oh hell know but I do not like the current situation.
  • trentin... DoxieDad 2012/05/25 23:34:28
    trentinafur
    These are evidence-based conclusions - based on Romney's own words - and the fact that he has hired 17 former Bush II advisors to guide him on policy!

    Look - bubbe.....never mind. Pet your dachshund, or something. It's more productive than writing more here.
  • nothing... DoxieDad 2012/05/27 20:03:18
    nothingbutthetruth
    +1
    Are you kidding me! "I see Romney being the more mature adult to say No." Mitt Romney is the one who said we should invest more in war! Then he wants to cut the minimum wage from struggling Americans and end the unemployment benefits for people who can't find work! You got to be kidding me. He is now calling on President Obama to start a war Syria.
  • DoxieDad nothing... 2012/05/27 22:47:23
    DoxieDad
    Go and support Obama for reelection. I want to go in a different direction come November.
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