Do You See Political Compromise As A Bad Thing?

by scbluesman13 Posted 2012/08/03 21:04:40

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	I believe that Compromise in Congress is a bad thing	11 votes	20%
	I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing	35 votes	63%
	I have another opinion	10 votes	18%

John Latourette (R- Ohio) has been a Representative in Congress for 18 years. He's decided not to seek re-election next year because he feels that the partisan divide has gotten so bad, that nothing can be done anymore to benefit the American People. In the above video clip, he explains in a detailed way exactly why he's decided to get out of the House of Representatives. Whether you're a liberal or a conservative, it's worth watching. And it's worth asking ourselves, "Is compromise such a bad thing? Really?" Who benefits from a fractious, split Congress that cannot pass meaningful legislation?

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flrdsgns 2012/08/03 21:13:21

I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing

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Politics is the art of compromise. Failure to compromise is tantamount to having a dictatorship.
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Mrkando 2012/08/03 22:00:57

I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing

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It's the only way anything will ever get done. The last two years have proven that with no compromise there will not be much accomplished.

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mich52 2012/08/03 21:55:34

I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing

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It seems that our Founding Fathers made compromises and our Country has survived so far fine with compromising.. Of course that could be my revisionist interpretation..

Failure to compromise has extended this economic slump we're in..

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findthelight2000 2012/08/03 21:44:43

I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing

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Of course it is. It is required if anything is to get done. The GOP's unwillingness to compromise these days is the reason for the slow economic recovery, and as long as Tea-Party candidates continue to win nothing will ever be solved in Washington.

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/04 06:34:01

couldn't you say the same about the democrats? why do the republicans have to do all the compromising?

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findthe... to Redneck 2012/08/04 09:12:09

No..., I can't say the same thing about non Blue-Dog Democrats. Why? Because we did lean awfully far into the right to achieve compromise, even to the point of offering to pass Republican written and endorsed bills, and still the Republicans refused to compromise. The whole problem is that the GOP does not want this President to succeed, and they are more than willing to allow the USA to go down with him!

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/04 12:31:40

I sure don't remember it that way. I do remember democrats calling for republicans to look at their bills with them and agree that the bill, as is, is what needs to be passed, and to help them pass said bill, as is. Where was the compromise and discussion on Obamacare, huh? none

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findthe... to Redneck 2012/08/04 14:13:41 (edited)

Then you have a very bad memory.

BTW: It took over a year to pass the ACA due to constant changes proposed by the GOP (mostly to waste time) - most of which were adhered to. That adherence was what those that use their intelligence call..., "compromise". The ones that did the compromising on the ACA bill were the Democrats, the GOP did not do any compromising as only one of them voted for the bill.

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/04 14:22:47

none of them voted for it because their constituancy was against it as are most people.

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findthe... to Redneck 2012/08/04 14:37:21

There is currently an majority over 70% that now favor the ACA. That number will continue to grow as more advantages kick in.

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/04 21:23:58

I'm seeing oposite numbers.

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findthe... to Redneck 2012/08/05 20:17:30

You're getting your information from untrustworthy sources.

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/05 20:52:13

ever poll but the pew research poll shows them tied and it's reported that pew polled about 20% more democrats than republicans.

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findthe... to Redneck 2012/08/04 14:42:48

When President Truman forced the militatry to treat black men in the military service exactly the same as whites, that wasn't very popular either (90% against it). But no one outside of White supremacists would argue the point now. Sometimes to do what's right by the people requires doing what is unpopular.

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/04 21:26:28

well, hopefully, we'll be repealing it in a few months. As a health care worker who is already gearing up for the regulations, I PROMISE you, there are a LOT of things in that thing that the most liberal individuals in this country isn't going to like. I can get pretty long winded talking about it, so if you want, I'll take off, but I don't want to bore you needlessly.

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findthe... to Redneck 2012/08/05 20:20:37

I have talked to many doctors that are very glad that the ACA is kicking in soon. I am also a healthcare worker, and am very glad to see that I no longer have to lose patients that desperately need care, due to their inability to pay or their Insurance company dropping them.

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/05 20:54:12

you and I are looking at it from completely different angles then. How about Pay for Performance? Are you thilled about that? It's going to amount to the government forcing us to ration health care for them, so that they don't look like the bad guy.

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findthe... to Redneck 2012/08/05 20:56:14

No..., that is not true. You should take life as it comes and not dwell on conspiracy theories. THAT will kill you.

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/05 21:07:23

Not conspiracy, fact, let me explain. If patients keep being admitted to hospitals for preventable conditions, i.e. high BP, high or low glucose, etc, medicare will and insurance companies will be allowed to refuse reembursement to the patients provider, general practitioners, home healths, or SNFs. Now, if our patients continue to smoke, drink, eat all the wrong foods, sit their butt on the couch like I'm doing right now and just sit and wait for their therapist or nurse to show up, they wil be going back to the hospital before long. It won't take long before the providers will be forced to discharge them from their care in order to prevent unreembursed care. No company can stay a company if they work for free. It won't be long before non compliant patients can't get a doc to pick them up or a home health to carry them. If they go to a SNF, the SNF will have to rule over them with an iron fist. Also, why hasn't the ACA or your beloved president addressed the durable medical equipment racket that we have in this country? You can buy a good pair of diabetic shoes for about $250, but medicare reemburses $500 for diabetic shoes. Same with a $500 wheel chair that medicare pays $1500 for. Why? Sounds like someones making some money to me and you and I are paying for it, but I'm getting pretty used to that now.

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findthe... to Redneck 2012/08/05 21:13:51

So you are saying that there needs to be extra regulation that governs how much can be charged for medical equipment? I thought you conservatives were all against regulation and all for a free market system?

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/05 23:11:45

No, just don't reemburse more than the sticker price, minus a small amount extra for having to deal with medicare, which is a pain and a half. Medicare sets the reembursment rates, which are double or triple what you'd pay if you paid cash. There's something going on for sure. I've got a pile of ideas to save money on medicare that would really work, but the government is to stupid to think of it themselves because they don't talk to real health care workers. They like to talk to the AMA and such groups.

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findthe... to Redneck 2012/08/05 23:16:41

Then enlighten us. What are the details of your ideas?

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/05 23:54:28

Okay, I cover mostly medicare patients, so the majority of what I know pertains to medicare. Medicare will only purchase a patient one ambulatory device once every five years. This covers everything from a single point cane to a motorized wheel chair. If you leave the hospital needing a walker for a couple of months, but your therapist progresses you to a cain in no time, or you have an exacerbation and have to be wheel chair bound, you're out of luck, unless you have the cash to buy your own devices, which, if you you're on medicare you most likely don't. Instead of buying somone a rolling walker that they'll use for a few months then use as a clothes rack, issue them one with a $20 deposit, returnable upon return or exchange of the walker for another ambulatory device. Allow hospitals, Dr offices, SNFs, Home Healths, ect to purchase ADs that they feel they'll need and issue them out to their patients to be returned when no longer needed. What happens is, mom gets an electric wheel chair that she rarely uses, dies, and her kids sell the thing and pocket the money. Same with electric lift chairs. These things can be returned to the place they were given and reissued to another patient. As it is now, medicare will sometimes rent an electric wheel chair for people and l...

Okay, I cover mostly medicare patients, so the majority of what I know pertains to medicare. Medicare will only purchase a patient one ambulatory device once every five years. This covers everything from a single point cane to a motorized wheel chair. If you leave the hospital needing a walker for a couple of months, but your therapist progresses you to a cain in no time, or you have an exacerbation and have to be wheel chair bound, you're out of luck, unless you have the cash to buy your own devices, which, if you you're on medicare you most likely don't. Instead of buying somone a rolling walker that they'll use for a few months then use as a clothes rack, issue them one with a $20 deposit, returnable upon return or exchange of the walker for another ambulatory device. Allow hospitals, Dr offices, SNFs, Home Healths, ect to purchase ADs that they feel they'll need and issue them out to their patients to be returned when no longer needed. What happens is, mom gets an electric wheel chair that she rarely uses, dies, and her kids sell the thing and pocket the money. Same with electric lift chairs. These things can be returned to the place they were given and reissued to another patient. As it is now, medicare will sometimes rent an electric wheel chair for people and let them keep it until it's worn out. That makes no sense when it would be cheaper to just buy it out right. Medicare is horribly poorly managed, but you want the government to be in control of all health care? Then we would have no recourse but to obey the government. I have friends in Canada who are ortho specialists, nurses, therapists, etc, they say they don't mind canadian health care for life or death situations because you will get the care you need to an extent, but if you break your arm, the bone will most likely heal on its own before you can even get an x ray. Is this what you want, well, it's what you're going to get. We currently have a shortage of doctors in this country. I know several docs who tell me that they plan to retire in a couple of years because they don't want to have to deal with the beuracracy of Obamacare. We're going to be in a serious bind and will be depending on NPs and PA who are fresh out of colloge and don't know their distal from their proximal about treating patients. We do have a problem with health care affordability in this country, but flooding the system with patients while decreasing funding will make it so much worse for providers and patients. You probably won't believe me because I'm conservative, but I promise you, this will happen. The progressives could care less wheather we live or die, just so long as they fire their supporters up for one more vote. I want to give you something to think about, just think about it. Remember the last campaign, Obama had a discussion with a woman about her mother needing a total knee replacement? Obama said that at her age she would most likely just get a pain pill. Obama and the progressives are always talking about taking care of "working americans", that's all they talk about. due to the 500 billion dollars that Obama cut from Medicare to fund Obamacare, I fear that working age people will get preferencial treatment over the elderly in the future. Study the Bolshivik revolution a bit.
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findthe... to Redneck 2012/08/06 05:24:13

Some of your ideas are good, other things that you said (about Canadian Heath Care), are absolutely false. But there is nothing you can say to make me agree that our old system of health care only if you are rich is best. It isn't!

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/06 10:33:55

Well, I'm only going by what canadian friends of my tell me. They are health care workers and participants. I didn't mind the old system, though it does have problems. Anytime I look for a job, it has to have health insurance or pay enough that I can buy my own. Its a personal responcibility thing, I'll take care of myself and I don't need the goverment to look out for me. For a country that put men on the moon, you can't tell me that Obamacare is the best we can come up with. There are some parts of it that I like, but some of it only increases government power over our lives without increasing the quality and efficiency of health care.

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findthe... to Redneck 2012/08/06 14:48:32 (edited)

It seems everyone against any kind of universal health care has "friends" in Canada that don't like their heath care system. Yet whenever asked by the media, Canadians all love their health care system. The same thing with the British health care system, their people love it.

We may have a reputation of having the most advanced and healthcare in the world. Yet that is all that it is a reputation based on American arrogance and nothing more. Because when the rich get sick they usually travel to a part of the world that has the best treatment for their illness, and it is not always America. Any country that does not service all it's citizens with affordable health care has no business claiming that they have the best healthcare in the World.

BTW: Sarah Palin's family used to travel to Canada to take advantage of the free health care there when their family suffered broken bones. So I highly doubt that your broken bone theory is really true.

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Redneck to findthe... 2012/08/06 23:20:30

Come on, it's not a theory. A man I went to college with, that I spoke to at a reunion in Chicago the weekend before last told me this. He's an orthopedic specialist somewhere in Ontario. Do you honestly believe everything you see on TV? I thought you were smarter than that. If I were in Obamas pocket, I'd skew my coverage of a certain topic to cover my guy.

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Daedalus 2012/08/03 21:43:30 (edited)

I have another opinion

Depends what you are talking about and who you are dealing with.

If the people you are negotiating with are a bunch of rat bastards who will rake the nation over hot coals to get what they want, then there is not much room for compromise.

They will have you giving away everything, while they hand you a sucker punch.

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Redneck to Daedalus 2012/08/04 06:34:45

can't negotiate with a psychopath.

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Daedalus to Redneck 2012/08/04 13:14:31

Or a gaggle of sociopaths.

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**StarzAbove** 2012/08/03 21:39:25

I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing

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That's the only way anything can get done is by compromising. That's why nothing has gotten done with this the Party of No they won't give an inch, even this Republican Congressman knows it.

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jdemme 2012/08/03 21:28:05

I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing

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It's a shame that the only person wiling to compromise on either side is the President.

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scblues... to jdemme 2012/08/03 21:30:14

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And he's even had to do it while pushing core ideas that evolved from the Republican Party! (cap and trade, insurance mandates, small business tax cuts, etc).

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jdemme to scblues... 2012/08/03 21:43:40
kudabux 2012/08/03 21:18:30

I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing

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Without compromise in any walk of life, there is bound to be a problem, like a war!

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sjalan 2012/08/03 21:18:03

I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing

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Although I said good as apposed to bad, It is a necessity, or you have what we have had for the last three years, stagnation in the Congress caused by the Obstructionistic Republican/Tea Party.

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Linda 2012/08/03 21:17:14

I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing

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Too bad it hasn't happen.................yet...

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Contarded Chickenhawk Con S... 2012/08/03 21:14:06

I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing

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There nothing wrong with compromise....

I saw this interview this morning as well.

I don't blame him one bit for resigning.

We're going over the cliff... We have to... just because it gives the Contarded a way out of Grover's pledge... then they can say we didn't raise your taxes.

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scblues... to Contard... 2012/08/03 21:24:18

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I like the way Latourette likened Congress to an alcoholic. At what point do you know you've hit 'rock bottom'?

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Contard... to scblues... 2012/08/04 17:57:23

BINGO... These clowns don't have a clue any longer.

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flrdsgns 2012/08/03 21:13:21

I believe that Compromise in Congress is a good thing

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Politics is the art of compromise. Failure to compromise is tantamount to having a dictatorship.

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