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POODYLOU ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2011/12/13 22:54:32
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If passed, the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal 2012, H.R. 1540 will permit the president, and all future presidents, to use military law in the United States and elsewhere. Under military law (which will cut the courts, Congress, and the Constitutionright out of the picture) the president would have the power as Commander in Chief, to have anyone he chooses (or whomever he/she delegates authority to chooses) arrested and held for an indefinite period of time without being officially charged and without trial.

This means that should our president (from Obama onward) decides that certain persons and/or groups must be rounded up and imprisoned for a reason of his/her making, which won’t have to be disclosed, and that could be the last anyone may ever hear from them again.

Hello fellow citizens, we have our Constitution and we are a nation of laws. Are we going to stand by and have the basic fabric or our country and our way of life torn from us and given to a military dictator? Under such a scenario you will become a slave. Your guns will be taken away as well as all personal property including your wealth in all its forms.

That means you could lose your home, or if the government decides, be relegated to living in a couple of its rooms while others are moved in to live in other rooms. Your home could end up with three, four, or more families living in it. Who would take care of it….not the government or anyone else. You won’t have money, remember. Look up communal living during the cold war and see what it was like. Look up what life was like when all businesseswere owned by the gover

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  • Atmara 2011/12/14 01:00:33
    Yes!
    Atmara
    +4
    This is really bad. The people who are behind this want to turn this country into a Police State dictatorship.

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  • SourDiesel 2012/01/07 11:04:33
    Yes!
    SourDiesel
    +1
    It is a declaration of war
  • Alvin 2012/01/01 15:31:57
    No!
    Alvin
    +1
    Frankly, the previous administration already did all that without having a law behind them. Just ask the people who were put in Guantanamo and other place3s of confinement for saying the wrong thing to the wrong person right after 9-11. What Congress has done is simply give a stamp of approval so whatever happens next, they can lock anyone they want without having the press ask any nosy questions.
  • FranciscoCanales 2011/12/28 16:28:12
    Yes!
    FranciscoCanales
    +2
    LATINOS FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT
    Juan Reynoso's Blog - TeaParty.org
    http://www.teaparty.org/
    December 28th, 2011
    The Obama regime is afraid of a Revolution.
    The Obama regime is afraid of a revolution. The Washington corrupt politicians pass legislations to create a police state, to arrest and jail citizens of this United States, with out the due process of the law; this is violation of our Constitution. Any law pass by this corrupt government that infringe or abridge our Constitutional rights and void the US constitution is an act of treason.
    We the people of this United States should not allow this rampant violation of our constitution by this corrupt government. We elected them to represent us, but their greed for money and power turn them into traitors that are serving their masters, the Big Multinational corporations and carrying out their ill agenda.
    Soon the people of this United States, must face its most deadly enemy, the corrupt Washington politicians, the US Dept. of Justice, The US Supreme court and the traitors that want to destroy our United states. We the people can clearly identify this enemy and their work; the tragic outcome of their socialist Marxist legislation...







    LATINOS FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT
    Juan Reynoso's Blog - TeaParty.org
    http://www.teaparty.org/
    December 28th, 2011
    The Obama regime is afraid of a Revolution.
    The Obama regime is afraid of a revolution. The Washington corrupt politicians pass legislations to create a police state, to arrest and jail citizens of this United States, with out the due process of the law; this is violation of our Constitution. Any law pass by this corrupt government that infringe or abridge our Constitutional rights and void the US constitution is an act of treason.
    We the people of this United States should not allow this rampant violation of our constitution by this corrupt government. We elected them to represent us, but their greed for money and power turn them into traitors that are serving their masters, the Big Multinational corporations and carrying out their ill agenda.
    Soon the people of this United States, must face its most deadly enemy, the corrupt Washington politicians, the US Dept. of Justice, The US Supreme court and the traitors that want to destroy our United states. We the people can clearly identify this enemy and their work; the tragic outcome of their socialist Marxist legislations, executive orders and programs to void our rights and repudiate our Judeo Christian principles and trash our Constitution. Already we can see the beginning of these sad events where the United States government. The Obama regime and the US Dept. of Justice refused to enforce our immigration laws, sued any Sovereign state of this union that pass legislations to enforce immigration laws to protect their people, arrested and prosecuted Border Agents for doing their jobs and protect this country from the invasion of illegal aliens and drug traffickers, made deals with the Mexicans drug cartels and allowed them to transport drugs into the USA in exchange for information on others drug cartels, allowed the transfer of thousands of weapons that slaughtered helpless and defenseless Mexican women and children and the Border Patrol agents, pass legislation to bail out and secure loans for the cronies of this regime that run into the 5 trillions of Dollars that demise our economic and made millions of Americans homeless and economic slaves, this regime trashed our Constitution, voided our sovereignty and the rule of law, Obama become a Dictator and rule at will and disregard our congress and our laws making his own laws by using executive orders.
    Fellow Americans In light of all the evidence, the only thing that makes sense, is that the Obama regime agenda is to destroy our country and create a police state; there will be no United States Constitution, no Bill of Rights, and no guarantees of freedom of any kind. The whole United States will be one vast prison. The freedom we have enjoyed that was so dearly paid by our founding fathers and our Americans patriots, is now being thrown away by unscrupulous politicians and their sovereignty-destroying treaties. The Obama regime will become one of history's worst persecuting powers, because the vast majority of the American people continue to live in denial, believing only what their masters tell them to believe and ignoring those like us, that are shouting the truth to them; if the people of this United States are not able to throw off the corrupt politicians and destroy this Socialist Marxist system of Government; we can not blame any one but ourselves.
    We must take our country back, not price will be to hight to reclaim our freedom. Many American patriots had given the signal, united we will win divided we fall. The power of these monsters can be broken-by the people united to reclaim our country.
    God give us the strength to reclaim our country and our God given rights to freedom.
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  • ShortyDoWop 2011/12/23 03:18:14
    Yes!
    ShortyDoWop
    +1
    very much so, our government fears another revolution and they know it is a very possible and real threat
  • you 2011/12/19 17:53:33
    Yes!
    you
    +1
    It doesn't sound like a good idea
    In the hope of changing the World .... this is definitely not part of the equation
  • Philthy 2011/12/14 16:58:50
    Yes!
    Philthy
    +3
    Each senator that voted in favor of this bill should be charged with TREASON!
  • Greg 2011/12/14 07:15:15
    Yes!
    Greg
    +3
    As a combat vet that has lost fellow Marines to this war, it is like a slap in the face to have politicians bypass the Constitution and strip away the rights we fight so hard to preserve and swear an oath to defend.

    Sadly under this act I would likely be considered "suspect" as well just for speaking against it. If i'm not mistaken even protesting is considered low level terrorism as well as the MIAC report about the modern militia movement labeling those who promote or talk about the Constitution as suspect.
  • Reggie☮ 2011/12/14 05:10:32
    Yes!
    Reggie☮
    +3
    The government plan is to control as much of our lives as possible. Some of us are very much aware of the control others just refuse to see it.
  • Flea 2011/12/14 05:02:56
    Yes!
    Flea
    +2
    We should all head up to Capitol Hill and electroshock everybody, because whoever is voting "yea" on this is completely insane. This sets a DANGEROUS precedent, and we as a nation have to stop it- now.
  • bambinoclipper 2011/12/14 03:11:52
    Yes!
    bambinoclipper
    +3
    Beware of the sleeping Tiger within our own government. This administration along with the Justice Department and the White House have a plan and that is taking control of you and I. It is frustrating that most don't see that there is a plan and this plan includes government control over the Peasants. Guess what , if your not part of the club you are the peasants! Open your eyes, they are dangerous !
  • Stan Kapusta 2011/12/14 01:56:37
    Yes!
    Stan Kapusta
    +3
    It is a legal way of doing everything America was once against.
  • Atmara 2011/12/14 01:00:33
    Yes!
    Atmara
    +4
    This is really bad. The people who are behind this want to turn this country into a Police State dictatorship.
  • ConLibFraud 2011/12/14 00:10:57
    Yes!
    ConLibFraud
    +4
    BIG YES!! America should bum rush DC and put them in a leaky boat in the middle of the ocean ...

    bbb
  • juicyazzmarie 2011/12/13 23:35:53
    Yes!
    juicyazzmarie
    +2
    from my understanding the sections changed from 1031 1031(e) to 1021 and 1022 I think but when on the bill hit ctrl and F at the same time on your key board a little keyword search should pop up in your browser put in citizen and search each phrase with the word citizen that comes up thats how I had to find the information on the bill. I'm scared if this happens this is horrible our government has turned on us like a rabbit pit bull! Times are changing and we need to as well. War on our government! Traitors!!
  • juicyaz... juicyaz... 2011/12/13 23:37:57
    juicyazzmarie
    +2
    let me add obama administration wanted the language allowing us from being exempt from this bill removed!! watch the video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  • Classical Liberal 2011/12/13 23:25:11
    Yes!
    Classical Liberal
    +4
    defeat terrorism with tyranny?

    I'll pass.
  • LisaWay... Classic... 2011/12/17 04:31:33
    LisaWay☮JUST MARCH HOME
    +1
    Idiotic idea, no? Whoever thought of that MUST be a Crazy, loony, unpatriotic America hater for sure ...but wait, where have I heard that before....?
  • Zomba Fett 2011/12/13 23:02:57
    Undecided
    Zomba Fett
    +1
    I have heard that this law does not apply to American citizens. I maybe wrong. But if it is true, there is no way in hell Americans will re-elect his ass again.
  • POODYLO... Zomba Fett 2011/12/13 23:10:16
    POODYLOU ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    it does apply to American citizens read section 1031 and 1032. It is not just him, it is has passed the senate and is before Congress!
    He wont have to worry if all of his oponents end up imprisoned.
  • Zomba Fett POODYLO... 2011/12/13 23:15:45
    Zomba Fett
    Am I blind??? I cannot find those Sections ~ it jumps from Section 1009 to Section 1101 (page 100)
  • POODYLO... Zomba Fett 2011/12/13 23:20:29
    POODYLOU ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
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    TEXT OF HR 1540 PP (Public Print - PP)(current as of 12/9/2011)

    Subtitle D—Detainee Matters

    SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED
    FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED
    PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR
    USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

    (a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority
    of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force
    pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force
    (Public Law 107–40) includes the authority for the Armed
    Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as
    defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law
    of war.

    (b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this
    section is any person as follows:

    (1) A person who planned, authorized, com-
    mitted, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on
    September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for
    those attacks.

    (2) A person who was a part of or substantially
    supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces
    that are engaged in hostilities against the United
    States or its coalition partners, including any person
    who has committed a belligerent act or has directly
    supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

    (c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The disposi-
    tion of a person under the law of war as described in sub-
    section (a) may...








































































































































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    TEXT OF HR 1540 PP (Public Print - PP)(current as of 12/9/2011)

    Subtitle D—Detainee Matters

    SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED
    FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED
    PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR
    USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

    (a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority
    of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force
    pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force
    (Public Law 107–40) includes the authority for the Armed
    Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as
    defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law
    of war.

    (b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this
    section is any person as follows:

    (1) A person who planned, authorized, com-
    mitted, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on
    September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for
    those attacks.

    (2) A person who was a part of or substantially
    supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces
    that are engaged in hostilities against the United
    States or its coalition partners, including any person
    who has committed a belligerent act or has directly
    supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

    (c) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—The disposi-
    tion of a person under the law of war as described in sub-
    section (a) may include the following:

    (1) Detention under the law of war without trial
    until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Au-
    thorization for Use of Military Force.

    (2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United
    States Code (as amended by the Military Commis-
    sions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111–
    84)).

    (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or
    competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.

    (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the per-
    son’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or
    any other foreign entity.

    (d) CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section is in-
    tended to limit or expand the authority of the President
    or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

    (e) AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be
    construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to
    the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident
    aliens of the United States or any other persons who are
    captured or arrested in the United States.

    (f) REQUIREMENT FOR BRIEFINGS OF CONGRESS.—
    The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress re-
    garding the application of the authority described in this
    section, including the organizations, entities, and individ-
    uals considered to be ‘‘covered persons’’ for purposes of sub-
    section (b)(2).

    SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

    (a) CUSTODY PENDING DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF
    WAR.—

    (1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in para-
    graph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States
    shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who
    is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by
    the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public
    Law 107–40) in military custody pending disposition
    under the law of war.

    (2) COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in
    paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose deten-
    tion is authorized under section 1031 who is deter-
    mined—

    (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda
    or an associated force that acts in coordination
    with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda;
    and
    (B) to have participated in the course of
    planning or carrying out an attack or attempted
    attack against the United States or its coalition
    partners.

    (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR.—For pur-
    poses of this subsection, the disposition of a person
    under the law of war has the meaning given in sec-
    tion 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise de-
    scribed in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made
    unless consistent with the requirements of section
    1033.

    (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.—The Sec-
    retary of Defense may, in consultation with the Sec-
    retary of State and the Director of National Intel-
    ligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the
    Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writ-
    ing that such a waiver is in the national security in-
    terests of the United States.

    (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND
    LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement
    to detain a person in military custody under this sec-
    tion does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The require-
    ment to detain a person in military custody under
    this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien
    of the United States on the basis of conduct taking
    place within the United States, except to the extent
    permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    (c) IMPLEMENTATION PROCEDURES.—

    (1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 60 days after
    the date of the enactment of this Act, the President
    shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for
    implementing this section.
    (2) ELEMENTS.—The procedures for imple-
    menting this section shall include, but not be limited
    to, procedures as follows:

    (A) Procedures designating the persons au-
    thorized to make determinations under sub-
    section (a)(2) and the process by which such de-
    terminations are to be made.
    (B) Procedures providing that the require-
    ment for military custody under subsection
    (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongo-
    ing surveillance or intelligence gathering with
    regard to persons not already in the custody or
    control of the United States.
    (C) Procedures providing that a determina-
    tion under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be
    implemented until after the conclusion of an in-
    terrogation session which is ongoing at the time
    the determination is made and does not require
    the interruption of any such ongoing session.
    (D) Procedures providing that the require-
    ment for military custody under subsection
    (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law en-
    forcement, or other government officials of the
    United States are granted access to an indi-
    vidual who remains in the custody of a third
    country.
    (E) Procedures providing that a certifi-
    cation of national security interests under sub-
    section (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of
    transferring a covered person from a third coun-
    try if such a transfer is in the interest of the
    United States and could not otherwise be accom-
    plished.

    (d) EFFECTIVE DATE.—This section shall take effect
    on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment
    of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons de-
    scribed in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody
    or brought under the control of the United States on or after
    that effective date.
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  • Zomba Fett POODYLO... 2011/12/13 23:25:13
    Zomba Fett
    +1
    b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND
    LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement
    to detain a person in military custody under this sec-
    tion does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The require-
    ment to detain a person in military custody under
    this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien
    of the United States on the basis of conduct taking
    place within the United States, except to the extent
    permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
  • Zomba Fett Zomba Fett 2011/12/13 23:28:19
    Zomba Fett
    +4
    I wish we would have like a lawyer to explain it in a "blonde-friendly" way, because from what I see right now, it sounds like "Welcome to USSR"!
  • ConLibF... Zomba Fett 2011/12/14 00:12:45
    ConLibFraud
    +4
    That's the problem to begin with ... too many filthy lawyers involved. They use language that makes us dependent on them ... by design!
  • Zomba Fett Zomba Fett 2011/12/13 23:21:08
    Zomba Fett
    +1
    Subtitle D—Counterterrorism
    4 SEC. 1031. DEFINITION OF INDIVIDUAL DETAINED AT GUAN5
    TANAMO.
    6 In this subtitle, the term ‘‘individual detained at
    7 Guantanamo’’ means any individual who is located at
    8 United States Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, on
    9 or after March 7, 2011, who—
    10 (1) is not a citizen of the United States or a
    11 member of the Armed Forces of the United States; and
    12 (2) is in the custody or under the effective con13
    trol of the Department of Defense.
  • Zomba Fett Zomba Fett 2011/12/13 23:22:41
    Zomba Fett
    +1
    I got it in 1540 RH
  • POODYLO... Zomba Fett 2011/12/13 23:34:00
    POODYLOU ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    The now infamous Section 1031 of S. 1867 does not exclude U.S. citizens from those “covered persons” whom the President can have the military arrest and detain without charge or trial. In effect, S. 1867 suspends and removes the protection of the U.S. Constitution from American citizens if they/we are deemed to be “at war” with the United States, whatever “at war” means.
  • Zomba Fett POODYLO... 2011/12/13 23:46:05
    Zomba Fett
    +3
    H O L Y C R A P !!!

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