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Do you blame Obama for the loss of 60 American troops last month and 23 already this month in Afghanistan ?

grizzly 2010/07/11 04:36:46
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  • strawberry 2010/07/25 00:34:55
    yes
    strawberry
    +2
    I blame Obama for escalating war in Afghanistan which was a huge mistake. I don't know if President Obama himself believed this the right thing to do or he just caved in to Pentagon brass. President Obama has no direction. He condemned the Iraq War but it is still going on under his administration. This man does not have a clue to running the United States. The last thing we needed was more war. The real truth, General McChrystal was so ready to beat the Taliban until he saw reality that they will keep coming because they love to fight. It would do no good to catch Bin Laden; there will always be another to take his place. Between Bush and Obama two dumb idiots only wasted billions of your money actually thinking people in these nations would help the United States fight the Taliban. All the money did was make the Taliban stronger. Civilians in Afghanistan don't stand a chance. The more the U.S. govt. provokes such a mentality the more they hate Americans, and provokes more terror attacks.
  • Jester 2010/07/12 15:16:40
    no
    Jester
    +2
    Obama has about as much business making military decisions as I am doing aerospace work for NASA
  • wombat 2010/07/12 14:51:16
    yes
    wombat
    +3
    Yes, cause there is no reason left to remain in war with Afghanistan
  • DiViews2013 2010/07/12 02:18:20
    no
    DiViews2013
    +3
    Only if we blame all presidents passed, present and those to come responsible by the same measure.
  • chubo 2010/07/12 00:11:15
    yes
    chubo
    +4
    Damn straight!
  • jscusmc69 2010/07/11 22:38:10
    yes
    jscusmc69
    +3
    Damm RIGHT I do---
  • Mrkando 2010/07/11 21:08:10
    no
    Mrkando
    +3
    I would hope that you considerer this a little tongue in cheek humor. When you consider the thousands lost sinse March 2003 in Iraq and Afghanistan this question is a bit strange. Did you blame Bush for all those deaths? NO! So who should we blame?
    This is all part of war. The day that we can wage war against our enemies and have no casualties will be a grand day indeed.
  • DiViews... Mrkando 2010/07/12 02:16:14
    DiViews2013
    +2
    I am not sure how or why, but this is different???
  • Mrkando DiViews... 2010/07/12 03:58:08
    Mrkando
    +1
    So how is this different. When Obama came into office he was in the middle of a war. He had no choice but to take that up as part of what he had to do. For him to just pick up and run would have made all the deaths before these in vain. No victory....just pick up an run. That is not acceptable. He must see this through regardless of his preference.
  • DiViews... Mrkando 2010/07/12 06:51:14
    DiViews2013
    +2
    Of course you are right! It is the same. Just different. :)
  • Lynn 2010/07/11 17:58:19
    yes
    Lynn
    +3
    If liberals can blame Bush for all the military deaths during his time in office, we can blame Obama for the deaths during his time.

    And dont give me that "Bush started it, so all losses are on him" BS. Obama has the power to pull all troops out if he deemed to do so. We are there now, its on Obama. Thats the price you pay for being the potus.
  • panoramic Lynn 2010/07/12 01:22:48
    panoramic
    +2
    ...almost 5000 dead under bush
  • Lynn panoramic 2010/07/12 04:04:34
    Lynn
    +4
    And the numbers killed now that Obama is potus is growing at a faster rate than ever before.

    http://www.icasualties.org/oef/
  • panoramic Lynn 2010/07/15 04:59:41
    panoramic
    +1
    You like that DON'T YOU?
  • Mrkando Lynn 2010/07/12 03:53:45
    Mrkando
    +1
    So what do you think would happen if when Obama came into office he arbitrarily pulled all troops out? Do you believe that to be an expectable solution?
  • Lynn Mrkando 2010/07/12 04:02:36
    Lynn
    +3
    He campaigned on just that. People voted for him that he would do just that. He's not only broken his campaign promise, but killed soldiers.
  • Mrkando Lynn 2010/07/12 04:31:51
    Mrkando
    +1
    And had he done that what do you think would have happened?
  • Lynn Mrkando 2010/07/12 05:41:33
    Lynn
    +3
    Are you old enough to remember the fall of Saigon?
  • Mrkando Lynn 2010/07/12 20:40:22
    Mrkando
    I am, and old enough to know how we got there in the first place, why we were there and the reason we got out. I also am old enough to remember Korea. Same thing.

    The difference between that and what we have today is that at no time was the United States in danger of attack. We entered those wars because we thought we were helping a friendly government to prevent their overthrow.
    Today we have a completely different situation in that once we pull out the Taliban will move back in and it will be business as usual.

    Do you recall 9-11. That ultimately is the threat we face today.

    So does staying there mean that eventually we will win that war? Good chance we will not. We have not so far and the Russians went home essentially the same way. The United States now has some very serious enemies. They can and will not stop until they do all they can to bring us down. We must do all we can to prevent that.

    However if you really want to know what we are up against, what Pakistan and Afghanistan are really like, find a copy of a book written by Greg Mortenson. It is called "Thee Cups of Tea". It is a story about one man's mission to promote peace, one school at a time. Greg is a very courageous man who, in the face of the Taliban, is making a difference by building schools, not war. At the ti...



    I am, and old enough to know how we got there in the first place, why we were there and the reason we got out. I also am old enough to remember Korea. Same thing.

    The difference between that and what we have today is that at no time was the United States in danger of attack. We entered those wars because we thought we were helping a friendly government to prevent their overthrow.
    Today we have a completely different situation in that once we pull out the Taliban will move back in and it will be business as usual.

    Do you recall 9-11. That ultimately is the threat we face today.

    So does staying there mean that eventually we will win that war? Good chance we will not. We have not so far and the Russians went home essentially the same way. The United States now has some very serious enemies. They can and will not stop until they do all they can to bring us down. We must do all we can to prevent that.

    However if you really want to know what we are up against, what Pakistan and Afghanistan are really like, find a copy of a book written by Greg Mortenson. It is called "Thee Cups of Tea". It is a story about one man's mission to promote peace, one school at a time. Greg is a very courageous man who, in the face of the Taliban, is making a difference by building schools, not war. At the time that book was written he had built 55 schools, mostly for girls, over a decade. He did this a great personal risk to himself. To do this he had to gain their trust and that is what the Three cups of tea is all about.

    In the end it is the only way we will ever be successful. Until then the President must do what he has to do.

    Please do not mis-understand me. I too would love it if we could walk away, save lives, and bring our people home. We will do that when, and only when it is safe to do so.
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  • Lynn Mrkando 2010/07/13 18:28:39
    Lynn
    +1
    Thats rich... A liberal asking ME if I remember 9/11. I've played nice so far.... Don't get condescending with me and I wont call you an idiotic liberal asswipe, k?

    Judging from your "love them into submission" approach to terrorism, I'd say that I know a helluva lot more about the enemy than you do.

    All I'm saying is that a precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan would result in a power vacuum and chaos the like unseen since Saigon fell in the 1970's.
  • Mrkando Lynn 2010/07/13 18:58:07
    Mrkando
    Ahhh so you've run out of words and resorted to name calling. How nice. Your last paragraph was all you needed to say but you seem to not be able to control your republican self.

    You had me fooled. I thought you were someone that would share ideas and opinions reasonably. Not to be. Have fun Lynn, sodahead fits you well.
  • Lynn Mrkando 2010/07/14 03:57:30
    Lynn
    I didnt call you anything. I said that if you dont insult me by being consescending, then I wont insult you. Apparently, you didnt want to take the challenge.

    Yeah, you had me fooled too...For a while there I thought maybe you would share ideas and opinions reasonably and not stoop to condescending liberal crap like "do you remember 9-11". Not to be.

    Get over yourself. Your preconceptions of those you quickly label "republican" mark you as the closed minded person you apparently really are. How nice.

    Oh, and I'm not a Republican.

    Have a nice day.
  • Harry 2010/07/11 16:46:28
    Undecided
    Harry
    +4
    My complaint with Obama's war policy is that it resembles LBJ's Vietnam policy. We fight just hard enough to maintain a presence in Afghanistan but refuse to take the decisive kind of military action needed to win. If we are going to fight, we need to take the gloves off and stop fighting defensively. Either fight to win, or send the troops home. Permanent war is not a satisfactory policy.
  • Lynn Harry 2010/07/11 17:59:18
    Lynn
    Thank the fates SOMEONE else gets it!
  • Rubyzandra 2010/07/11 16:31:16
    no
    Rubyzandra
    +3
    No, This war has been going on for over 10 years now. The President has been in Office for less than two. He is doing all he can for our troops and has a plan to bring them home in a year. I congratulate him and this administration and our soldiers for keeping the casualties of war down. Having 100,000 troops in action and 60 casualties last month and only 23 casualties this month actually commends the job our troops and commanders are doing. As the head of the nation and Commander in Chief in charge of bringing our troops home after our mission is complete the President is doing wonderfully well. This war was going on long before the Obama Administration. It was an embarrassment during the Bush Administration, and like in all other aspects, the economy, Wall Street, Health Reform, etc the President is taking the bad hand he was dealt and making the best he can of it so that the People have a chance to make their lives and their children's s lives better. Sitting on our laurel's as Monday Morning quarterbacks running down our country and its leaders is an abomination to me. I commend the President for all the heart and soul he is putting into doing the right thing for our country. Tearing him down and blaming him for political reasons nullifies what our troops are do...
    No, This war has been going on for over 10 years now. The President has been in Office for less than two. He is doing all he can for our troops and has a plan to bring them home in a year. I congratulate him and this administration and our soldiers for keeping the casualties of war down. Having 100,000 troops in action and 60 casualties last month and only 23 casualties this month actually commends the job our troops and commanders are doing. As the head of the nation and Commander in Chief in charge of bringing our troops home after our mission is complete the President is doing wonderfully well. This war was going on long before the Obama Administration. It was an embarrassment during the Bush Administration, and like in all other aspects, the economy, Wall Street, Health Reform, etc the President is taking the bad hand he was dealt and making the best he can of it so that the People have a chance to make their lives and their children's s lives better. Sitting on our laurel's as Monday Morning quarterbacks running down our country and its leaders is an abomination to me. I commend the President for all the heart and soul he is putting into doing the right thing for our country. Tearing him down and blaming him for political reasons nullifies what our troops are doing for our country and their mission. I would hope the people would get behind the President and our troops and get this war behind us. The sooner we work together for our country the better. The sooner we recognize that Barack Hussein Obama II is the President and stop fighting against him the better. Blaming him and attacking him while he is in office trying to help us, is like punching ourselves in the face then shooting ourselves in the head while our hungry children watched without any means of helping themselves.
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  • grizzly Rubyzandra 2010/07/11 16:44:31
    grizzly
    +2
    During the 7 years Bush was in charge of the war in Afghanistan, 625 American soldiers were killed there. Obama has nearly doubled that number in about a year and a half.
  • Rubyzandra grizzly 2010/07/11 17:18:10 (edited)
    Rubyzandra
    The point here is WE (not Bush) lost the lives of 625 people to the A. war during the Bush Administration; and the war continues during the Obama Administration. So far in two month's we have lost 83 people which averages about 42 people per month. In 12 month's the President is pulling out our troops under the present average, that means we will lose a little over 500 people before this is over and we start withdrawing troops. That means we are on track to save 125 lives from the casualties of war between the Bush administration, and the current President's administration. To say 625 in 7 yrs as apposed to 83 in two months is apple's and oranges when it comes to war and the lives of our troops. This can not be determined legitimately unless the conditions are even.
  • grizzly Rubyzandra 2010/07/11 17:29:45
    grizzly
    Two months, huh ? Try 5 and a half weeks...but whatever ya gotta tell urself...lol
  • Rubyzandra grizzly 2010/07/11 17:40:28
    Rubyzandra
    Bottom line, 7 yrs and 625 lives and no results. Let's see what a handicapped Obama can do at the end of 7 yrs before we start finding fault and throwing blame around. Bush served 8 years and two terms as President. This President has accomplished more in one year than Bush did in 8. So, I trust him to have a better record 7 yrs from now than Bush even with the handicapped party of "NO" holding his coat tails dragging him down kicking and screaming along the way! You have to admit to be able to progress in any area against these odds is magnificent to watch! He's scoring carrying the entire other team on his back to the hoops while his team stands on the sidelines and watches in amazement. Just think what it will be like when his team gets in the game and the other team stands on the sidelines and watches. If you are blaming the President for the A. war and casualties after you see a commander and his staff that disrespects their Commander and Chief in charge, you are blinder than I thought old man.
  • grizzly Rubyzandra 2010/07/11 17:49:58
    grizzly
    Old man ? Face it, politics is the only reason the democrats did all that complaining about how "Bush took his eye off the ball by attacking Iraq, while ignoring Afghanistan"...if we hadn't been in Iraq, they would have been crying we need to get out of Afghanistan !
  • Rubyzandra grizzly 2010/07/11 17:55:29
    Rubyzandra
    Politics is the only reason the Democrats and Republicans exist. We as a nation need to be above politics, though. Your question was do I blame Obama. My answer is no. I hate politics. I love Obama.
  • grizzly Rubyzandra 2010/07/11 17:57:11
    grizzly
    Fair enough.
  • Rubyzandra grizzly 2010/07/11 18:03:01
    Rubyzandra
    Thank you for understanding
  • panoramic grizzly 2010/07/12 01:23:37
    panoramic
    it's obama's fault
  • *Danno*... panoramic 2010/07/15 05:40:12
    *Danno* JYD - SWMTPP
    +1
    Why do adults like yourself feel the need to play with ...

    adults feel play
  • ALofRI 2010/07/11 16:20:07
    no
    ALofRI
    +2
    As long as there are nukes in Pakistan, we need to do something to keep them, and the governments of Afghanistan AND Pakistan out of al Qaeda's and the Taliban's hands. This could have been over if we had "stayed the course" in Afghanistan and stayed the hell OUT of Iraq! No, I don't blame Obama, I blame the one who made BOTH THOSE mistakes. Now Americans are dieing when they should be heading home.
  • Piwan 2010/07/11 15:25:38
    no
    Piwan
    +4
    I blame Bush for starting this fiasco! if he had just gone after afghanistan in the first place instead of Iraq I think far more people would still be alive, and the war would probably be over!
  • ALofRI Piwan 2010/07/11 16:21:56
    ALofRI
    Is there an echo in here? I didn't even see your answer before I wrote that above.
  • Live Free Or Die 2010/07/11 15:25:13
    Undecided
    Live Free Or Die
    +1
    The military asked for more troops, not a drawdown, and the powers that be WANT this war, so it's hard for me to single out the president. But they are using him and it's working. Time will tell whether the escalation will cause more problems than it will solve. I do fear when he is ousted a more viscious attack dog will take over, but until then it is his responsibility, as he is CIC.
  • ALofRI Live Fr... 2010/07/11 16:25:18
    ALofRI
    So if I move to Texas, all the bad things I've done are no longer my fault. Sounds like a good deal to me...I'm packin'....on second thought, I've spent enough time in Texas...is there another state that offers the same "amnesty"??

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