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Do you believe that the GM government bailout was a good thing?

Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/08/18 19:28:53
Yes, he saved the American automotive industry...
No, it was a travesty for all involved...
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First, let's get up to speed...watch this video so you can see how the money was borrowed and how it is being paid back.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/08/15/taxpayers-gm-investmen...

Now, watch this video and see if you're as proud of GM and saving it as you should be. If you don't watch it, don't comment.


So, why does there continue to be so much proof that it's Obama that is directly and fragrantly outsourcing our tax dollars, and you still don't believe it?
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  • The Lib Hater. 2012/08/18 23:01:56 (edited)
    No, it was a travesty for all involved...
    The Lib Hater.
    +82
    They are losing market share, and building a crappier product, and in the case of the Volt it is way overpriced. In other words, nothing has changed at GM. They haven't lowered their labor cost, their materials cost. This company is going down. It's been said before, some companies have a marketing problem, some a product problem, some have a labor problem, and some have management problems. GM has all those problems. Here we have 0bama running around handing out our money to state, and local governments knowing he can't do it forever, because sooner or later GM is going to drive right into reality, and guess who will get hurt the most? The sucker taxpayer. The subject, not the citizen. Now you Libs out there still want to know how 0bama is taking away our rights? Yep we are forcefully invested in GM. See libs if I had rights in this country, I would invest in what I WANT to INVEST in. Not what 0bama wants me to invest in. Let 0bama invest his own money in GM. Just leave us the hell alone.
    General Motors Is Headed For Bankruptcy -- Again... From Forbes.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/l...

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  • TrudyGirl dave s 2012/08/29 16:20:33
    TrudyGirl
    Guess what else; I really don't care what any Republican thinks of me you are all brain washed and unless you are very wealthy then you are a fool for even thinking about voting Republican.
  • Gracie ... TrudyGirl 2012/08/29 21:40:44
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    Boy, sounds like they bought your vote with empty promises.
  • TrudyGirl Gracie ... 2012/08/29 21:55:07
    TrudyGirl
    No one buys my vote in anyway ever. I, unlike you, do research and make a decision based on the best person for the job. That person is not a man who sends jobs away from the country and hides money in other countries to avoid taxes. He is the only man to ever run for President who had a foreign hidden money account..as a matter fact several of them. He is the man who enjoys firing people and mistreating animals. He even bought his way out the charge in Canada for animal abuse. Fine specimen for President. This is a man who believes his leader was a space man. Wake up!
  • Gracie ... TrudyGirl 2012/08/30 16:59:08
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    He didn't export jobs, that was Obama with our own tax dollars. Perhaps you do your research in the liberal Democrat library? Branch out and learn some truth. Obama ate dog.
  • dave s TrudyGirl 2012/08/30 15:45:44
    dave  s
    +1
    wow, you are pigeon-holing me thinking I am a repub??? do you always jump to conclusions like that based on scant information, or do you just like to post ignorant comments?

    you say that you do your research on candidates and issues and then you vote accordingly. so, how many repubs have you voted for in your life? if you say none then you are a fool and you do not research the issues and candidates at all but rather just toe the democrat line

    and to answer that question that is burning right now in your brain, in my life I have voted for dems, repubs, and independents, because I truly do my research and vote my conscience
  • Gracie ... dave s 2012/08/30 17:00:16
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    She's obviously using the wrong library to do her research!
  • sherdon2 2012/08/19 15:57:52
    Undecided
    sherdon2
    +1
    Better than giving it to foreign aid. It did keep many small businesses going.
  • Gracie ... sherdon2 2012/08/19 16:00:57
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    It's going to China and other countries for jobs there. I'd call that foreign aid.
  • sherdon2 Gracie ... 2012/08/19 16:28:05
    sherdon2
    +1
    Yes,but it did keep many small businesses open..like the vendors, restaurants,the delivery people, all of the support needed to run a large corp. Thanks for your reply and Have a Blessed Day.
  • 4570GOVT sherdon2 2012/08/19 16:45:53
    4570GOVT
    It " SHUT DOWN " S/W Ohio and all those support companies along with it .
  • TrudyGirl Gracie ... 2012/08/27 00:08:56
    TrudyGirl
    you are full of it..my son has his own company and is very appreciative of the Chinese because they have purchased more of his product than any other country including the good ole USA.
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/08/19 15:56:09
    No, it was a travesty for all involved...
    jackolantyrn356
    +4
    and the continuing saga is a weight on the taxpayer we can scarce afford.Thank you Obummer
  • TrudyGirl jackola... 2012/08/27 00:11:49
    TrudyGirl
    Then please lay the blame where it belongs squarely in the lap of the Republicans. Foreign wars are killing this country and your party members are rolling in the money for the war machines. We need the money invested in our country instead of other countries but you are happy watching our children die to make money for your factories.
  • James 2012/08/19 15:35:11
    No, it was a travesty for all involved...
    James
    +3
    Any entity that cannot stand on its own two feet shouldn't stand at all. Let GM fall and let its competitors pick up its assets at firesale prices. That's called capitalism and it shouldn't be trifled with.
  • Roger 2012/08/19 15:19:55
    No, it was a travesty for all involved...
    Roger
    +3
    That is not free market capitlism that is a socalist ideal, hitler and the soveit union both did the same thing. They were both socialists
  • maggiemay 2012/08/19 15:06:43
    No, it was a travesty for all involved...
    maggiemay
    +3
    Government has no place picking, and choosing winners, and losers. GM is no better off now then they were before. They should have been forced to claim bankruptcy, and restructuring. They will be back wanting more money before long.
  • Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/08/19 14:59:16
    No, it was a travesty for all involved...
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +2
    Delayed where the Bankruptcy would of put it on better foundation and not costed the taxpayer billions !!!!!!!
  • Diane S... Diane S... 2012/08/19 15:38:20
  • Diane S... Diane S... 2012/08/19 15:42:03
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +2
    As it turns out, the Obama administration put $13.4 billion of the aid money as "working capital" in an escrow account when the company was in bankruptcy. The company is using this escrow money—government money—to pay back the government loan.
  • dave s Diane S... 2012/08/19 17:21:16
    dave  s
    +1
    and the circle of confusion in our government continues
  • Minarchist 2012/08/19 14:57:49
    No, it was a travesty for all involved...
    Minarchist
    +2
    Many are not aware that most corporate jet manufacturing happens in conservative states. So when Democrats went after automobile CEO's for arriving in DC and criticizing them for riding in on corporate jets, they knew Automobile unions votes would be retained for the loss traded to aircraft workers in a state Democrats can't win anyway. The automobile manufacturing jobs were saved at the expense of trade for corporate jet manufacturing jobs that never would have voted Democrat anyway. Calculated casualties of an uninformed electorate.
  • Gracie ... Minarchist 2012/08/19 15:43:57
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    They never think of the unintended consequences of their words and their actions. They're constantly on the political stage vying for votes from the ignorant who don't know what goes on and don't really care.
  • Diane S... Gracie ... 2012/08/19 16:10:26 (edited)
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +1
    www.washingtonpost.com/.../gm... So, to the extent Treasury’s investment has suffered from GM’s declining stock price, the Obama administration has itself partly to blame
  • TimothyBrianFoley 2012/08/19 14:56:20
    Yes, he saved the American automotive industry...
    TimothyBrianFoley
    it also got detroit bck on the map again save that city
  • James Timothy... 2012/08/19 15:38:52
    James
    +3
    Saved the city? It's still a dump. Better to crash and burn and reinvent itself than to maintain failed policy.
  • gocar James 2012/08/19 16:14:43
    gocar
    And what do you propose to do with all the inhabitants of Detroit once it has crashed and burned? These are people and families we are talking about. Many are the poor who were abandoned to the city by racial scare tactics that were rampant for decades after all the civil rights laws.
  • scurvison gocar 2012/08/19 16:23:50
    scurvison
    +2
    You could ask the United Auto Workers Union that same ? Wouldnt another car company come fill the void left by GM, a new company? If 70% of jobs are shipped outta the US by GM how much good did it really do Detroit? Why does Detroit still have one of the highest unemployment rates in the country?
  • dave s gocar 2012/08/19 17:23:09
    dave  s
    "racial scare tactics" ??????? oh, you mean escalating violent crime rates?

    BTW, detroit crashed and burned years ago and it is a damned shame that the politicians allowed that to happen to a once formidable american city
  • James gocar 2012/08/19 20:26:38
    James
    You think Detroit was the only city that had that problem? Look at other rust belt cities that reinvented themselves. Of all of them, look at Pittsburgh. Instead of feeling sorry for themselves, they actually did something with their human capital and made positive contributions to new and emerging industries that were not failing.
  • bodaishinboy 2012/08/19 14:55:17 (edited)
    No, it was a travesty for all involved...
    bodaishinboy
    +3
    How many small businesses died while the too big to fails, got the bailout. The only American car for me now is a Ford. They survived without a bailout.
  • Diane S... bodaish... 2012/08/19 15:01:25
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    +3
    And is doing better than GM !!!!!!
  • Diane S... Diane S... 2012/08/19 16:39:58
    Diane Spraggs Yates
    Considering that the feds still hold 500 million shares of GM stock, they’d have to find a way to offload them for about $53 apiece to recover the $49.5 billion spent in bailing out the troubled automaker. But if the stock continues to stay where it is, this means that the feds will end up posting a loss of more than $16 billion on bailing out GM.
    Because of this dive in stock price, the Treasury Department was forced to revise its projected bailout losses upwards to $25.1 billion from $21.7 billion — an increase of 15 percent.
    “It’s doubtful that the Obama administration would attempt to sell off the government’s massive position in GM while the stock price is falling. It would be too embarrassing politically. Accordingly, if GM shares continue to decline, it is likely that Obama would ride the stock down to zero,”
  • Matt 2012/08/19 14:54:49
    No, it was a travesty for all involved...
    Matt
    +2
    With the express aid of our government, GM is intentionally bankrupting their domestic operations in order to weasel out of paying their legacy costs. Their retirees will soon lose all of their insurance benefits and eventually their pension plan, the largest in the world, will collapse also.

    No president wants this to happen on his watch. That is how GM extorted its way into a bailout.
  • Fredrick House 2012/08/19 14:46:56
    Undecided
    Fredrick House
    +3
    I chose this option because other choices leave me little room. The GM deal superficially appears to have been a good thing for GM, primarily because of restructuring. This could have been accomplished wtihout the precedent of such a massive government bailout. No doubt many jobs were lost that would have been lost anyway. Recent evidence of GM building new factories in China doesn't seem to be a great benefit to Taxpayers, but may be a benefit to the Chinese, to whom Obama's Administration has mortgaged the country's and the free enterprise system's futures. It certainly doesn't seem to do much for U.S. auto workers.
  • Patent1 2012/08/19 14:43:51
    Yes, he saved the American automotive industry...
    Patent1
    The bailout saved part of the auto industry. The gov. can't allow the companies that make our military vehicles go bankrupt. Also, law requires that products for the military be made in the US.
  • scurvison Patent1 2012/08/19 16:25:27
    scurvison
    +1
    Military could always go to Ford
  • Patent1 scurvison 2012/08/19 16:46:18
    Patent1
    It would triple the cost. GM already has the dies and production lines.
  • scurvison Patent1 2012/08/19 19:15:45
    scurvison
    Couldnt Ford just ramp up production of an existing platform while retooling another facility? It seems like the military could easily use a Ford as well as a GM. I know Ford makes a lot of heavy duty equipment already. At some point the govt changed from AMC to GM, just kinda seems unfair to Ford. They restructured and did it the hard way, GM gets a gimme. Doesnt seem fair to competetition
  • Patent1 scurvison 2012/08/19 19:32:26
    Patent1
    Not that easy, esp. with heavy vehicles that have to be carefully designed to meet military specifications. Even with what is considered a light vehicle, like a Hummer, Ford would have to start from scratch. GM has a plant here making military vehicle engines, they are 9 cylinder, 15 liter multifuel diesel engines. Ford has nothing like it.
  • scurvison Patent1 2012/08/19 19:37:49
    scurvison
    Must be nice to have a company thats protected from its own failures, wish my shop had that luxury. Even though we make hydraulic components for the DOD we are easilly replaced

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