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Do you believe that Joseph Stalin and Fidel Castro were political conservatives?

bob 2012/05/07 20:39:14
I believe that Joseph Stalin and Fidel Castro were political conservatives
Joseph Stalin and Fidel Castro were political conservatives, they were dictators
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  • Dan™: Real Change, Not Fals... 2012/05/07 23:06:43
    None of the above
    Dan™: Real Change, Not False Hope
    +14
    First of all, Fidel Castro is still alive so he's still an ultra-Leftwing Communist ... so I don't know why you referred to him in the past tense. He was the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba.

    Secondly, Josef Stalin was also an ultra-Leftwing Communist. He was the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and was the designated heir to Vladimir Lenin.

    There's nothing "politically conservative" about either of these men.

    Are you trying to re-write history, Bob? Well, if so all I can say is that Stalin would be very proud of your Stalinesque revision of history.

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  • Gracie ... 3003573 2012/05/07 22:12:29
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    That's the crap they teach you in school. Why are Islamofascists working with Marxists?
  • 3003573 Gracie ... 2012/05/07 22:13:08
  • Gracie ... 3003573 2012/05/07 22:16:29
  • 3003573 Gracie ... 2012/05/07 22:19:40
  • Gracie ... 3003573 2012/05/07 23:03:13
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    You can't read? Here, it's spelled out for you.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stori...
  • 3003573 Gracie ... 2012/05/07 23:10:48
  • Gracie ... 3003573 2012/05/08 00:05:18
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    "credible journalistic resource"...no such thing. I could give a rat's ass if you believe it or not. You obviously aren't interested in anything remotely resembling truth. You guys are going to be taken so off guard.

    It's called the enemy of my enemy is my friend! They can sort it all out later when they kill each other but for now they want to take down Western civilization.
  • 3003573 Gracie ... 2012/05/08 00:12:58
  • Gracie ... 3003573 2012/05/08 01:21:51
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    If you'd read the actual article it talks about many of the Muslim Brotherhood living in the WEST!
  • Heptarch 3003573 2012/05/08 02:45:17
    Heptarch
    Isn't it amazing how they can believe the zaniest biased websites then claim that someone ELSE isn't interested in the truth?
  • Red Branch Heptarch 2012/05/08 14:23:21
    Red Branch
    Why don't you tell us how that is possible?
    You and your ilk create the zaniest websites and declare them the truth.
  • Heptarch Red Branch 2012/05/08 15:46:25
    Heptarch
    And who, praytell, are "my ilk"? You don't know me. Don't pretend you do.
  • Red Branch Heptarch 2012/05/08 15:52:45
    Red Branch
    You posted a quite apt description in the comment you replied to.
  • Heptarch Red Branch 2012/05/08 15:56:57
    Heptarch
    I've replied to a lot of comments. Which one are you talking about?
  • Red Branch Heptarch 2012/05/08 16:12:16
    Red Branch
    Heptarch to judgian...
    Heptarch
    Isn't it amazing how they can believe the zaniest biased websites then claim that someone ELSE isn't interested in the truth?

    You are commiserating with judgi... and therein your ilk.
  • Heptarch Red Branch 2012/05/08 16:18:48
    Heptarch
    I see. So if I agree with someone on a poll, I automatically believe in everything that person believes? Is that how your mind works?

    Just so I can spare you further embarrassment. I'm an Independent moderate. I'm not liberal or a conservative.

    When I see people believing stupid crap with no basis in fact, I call them on it regardless of what their politics are.

    If I see people linking to crank websites while dismissing ones with journalistic/academic credibility, I call them on it regardless of their politics.
  • Red Branch Heptarch 2012/05/08 16:36:58
    Red Branch
    I replied to you, not judgi.

    Your comment about wacky websites.

    Independent Moderate is Liberal.
  • Heptarch Red Branch 2012/05/08 18:08:34 (edited)
    Heptarch
    "Independent Moderate is Liberal."

    LOL Ohhhhkaaaay....

    And you don't understand why normal, rational people consider people like you whack jobs.
  • Red Branch Heptarch 2012/05/08 19:02:45
    Red Branch
    I base my assessment on your comments not your claims to moderacy.
  • Heptarch Red Branch 2012/05/08 19:15:22
    Heptarch
    If you're keen to judge, perhaps you should look at ALL my comments, not just the ones on this thread. If you're looking at only one issue, you're not getting the whole picture.

    I have some liberal views and some conservative. If you judge me here for having a liberal one, you'd be just as wrong as you would if you saw me on a gun rights poll defending the conservative position and assumed I was a Conservative.

    And none of that addresses your ridiculous post that "Independent moderates are Liberals". That's just asinine.
  • Red Branch Heptarch 2012/05/09 02:47:49
    Red Branch
    Okay, but you are definitely liberal on this one.
  • Heptarch Red Branch 2012/05/09 03:24:59
    Heptarch
    +1
    Yep. That doesn't make me a Liberal, though. Glad you understand now where I'm coming from.
  • Red Branch 3003573 2012/05/08 14:21:32
    Red Branch
    Islam and Marxism are both totalitarian systems.
  • 3003573 Gracie ... 2012/05/07 22:13:28
  • Red Branch 3003573 2012/05/08 14:15:20
    Red Branch
    Karl Marx's theories provided the basis for Communism and Fascism / Nazism.

    Fascism / Nazism was to the right of Communism, but both were still in the far Left quadrant.
  • Mrkando 2012/05/07 21:17:52
    Undecided
    Mrkando
    While I am not sure of what Fidel Castro was the following pretty well defined Stalin as a conservative even though in some ways he was both.


    Stalin's main accomplishments:


    Industrialization

    While not explicitly conservative or liberal, conservatives tend to emphasize industrialization more than liberals. He paid for his initiatives by taking money from the rich to finance these changes, which does lean towards the liberal principle of redistributing wealth to benefit the poor, however low wages, lack of worker rights, and the use of political prisoners to perform unpaid labor leans conservative, especially the first two.

    Collectivization

    Seemingly a liberal slam dunk, however, the targets for property confiscation were the middle class, which made up 60% of the population. This also caused famine, as Stalin refused to release grain stores, while still engaging in grain export. Trade over people? Conservative.

    Freedom of Science

    Conservative. Rigid control of sciences. Many scientists engaged in "unsafe" scientific research were sent to labor camps.

    Social services

    Liberal. More rights for women. Advances in health care. Education.

    Culture

    Very conservative in the sense that criticism of the government, non-conformity was cause to be sent to a labor camp...









    While I am not sure of what Fidel Castro was the following pretty well defined Stalin as a conservative even though in some ways he was both.


    Stalin's main accomplishments:


    Industrialization

    While not explicitly conservative or liberal, conservatives tend to emphasize industrialization more than liberals. He paid for his initiatives by taking money from the rich to finance these changes, which does lean towards the liberal principle of redistributing wealth to benefit the poor, however low wages, lack of worker rights, and the use of political prisoners to perform unpaid labor leans conservative, especially the first two.

    Collectivization

    Seemingly a liberal slam dunk, however, the targets for property confiscation were the middle class, which made up 60% of the population. This also caused famine, as Stalin refused to release grain stores, while still engaging in grain export. Trade over people? Conservative.

    Freedom of Science

    Conservative. Rigid control of sciences. Many scientists engaged in "unsafe" scientific research were sent to labor camps.

    Social services

    Liberal. More rights for women. Advances in health care. Education.

    Culture

    Very conservative in the sense that criticism of the government, non-conformity was cause to be sent to a labor camp. Not to mention the forced relocation, slavery, or internment of indigenous peoples. Also, great effort made to force people into one culture.

    Religion

    Conservative. CERTAIN religious prosecuted and persecuted. "During World War II, however, the Church was allowed a revival as a patriotic organization", but people were not allowed to choose their religion for themselves.

    Purges and deportations

    Conservative. Getting rid of "undesireables", political critics, immigrants,
    -----------------------------...
    http://uspolitics.tribe.net/t...
    (more)
  • bob Mrkando 2012/05/07 21:25:13
    bob
    +1
    wow, fair and balanced
  • Red Branch bob 2012/05/08 14:25:49
    Red Branch
    I agree with the balanced aspect.

    You and your ideas and mikada and his ideas placed on a balance scale would be equal.
    Each balance platform would contain the same amount of BS.
  • Jackal 2012/05/07 21:17:31
    None of the above
    Jackal
    Stalin was extreme Left
    Hitler was extreme Right

    Extreme left is Communism
    Extreme right is Fascism
  • Jerry (... Jackal 2012/05/07 21:32:34
    Jerry (Iron Priest)☮ R ☮ P ☮ 201
    +1
    Hitler was Socialist, far from the right.
  • Jackal Jerry (... 2012/05/07 21:45:56 (edited)
    Jackal
    Socialist turned Fascist.

    http://www.spartacus.schoolne...
  • Jerry (... Jackal 2012/05/07 21:53:11
    Jerry (Iron Priest)☮ R ☮ P ☮ 201
    I don't have to look because I know you're right. I don't know where people get the idea that the right is fascist.
  • Evil 1 2012/05/07 21:17:10
    None of the above
    Evil 1
  • merlinskiss 2012/05/07 21:11:46
    None of the above
    merlinskiss
    +2
    I think they were just a little to the right of Attila the Hun and the Roman Empire!
  • RobHom 2012/05/07 21:10:40
    None of the above
    RobHom
    +4
    The only way that I could even remotely begin to believe those two were "political conservatives" is if I spent about a week in a Tequila induced state of obliviousness capped off with a couple of hits of "purple microdot", a hit or two of speed, followed by a handful of "ludes"......
  • Stoney 2012/05/07 20:56:37
    None of the above
    Stoney
    +4
    Communist by pronouncement & actions, bob...............
    ah so
  • bob Stoney 2012/05/07 21:00:51
    bob
    +1
    although they were political conservatives
  • Jerry (... bob 2012/05/07 21:33:39
    Jerry (Iron Priest)☮ R ☮ P ☮ 201
    +1
    No, if that were the case, the government would not have controlled the people.
  • None of the above
    ☆The Rock☆ * AFCL* The Sheriff!!
    +4
    They were not Conservatives!
  • bob ☆The Ro... 2012/05/07 21:26:15
    bob
    sure they were

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